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@Telatsu: Hmmm, I think I can understand that
Yeah, I defnitely agree to that, it all comes down to the person's ability to handle it and the help they get when going through it.
Yeah, it's very easy to be so mad and wonder why they had to do that, when you know you are definitely trying to be there for them, even without them asking. I see, and I am dearly sorry to what you have gone through. I hope everything and everyone involved are able to rest easy

@ChildsPlay: I have and I regret ever thinking something like that. It was just a phase for me.
@metaghost4: What kind of logic is that? I think you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. How is life easier than death when death is pretty much the end of your physical being as a human?

What about the people that suicide just so that their family could claim their life-insurance and be better off? would they be considered cowardly as well?

People say that the people that commit suicides are cowards, but there are times when you just don't have a choice( life is too hard to carry on with).

Maybe they just choose not to, because they hate the world, and feel misunderstood, different and unfitting? Wanting to die, rather then wasting time suffering? Aka if they're in a bad situation, like cancer? There's many possibilities, but it's up to them in my opinion. It isn't selfish. It isn't cowardly, it isn't brave, it just IS.

I've always had an extremely negative view towards people who would even consider suicide as an appropriate option in life.

My main issue with them isn't the wanting to take the east way out part, but rather, the selfish act of leaving their loved ones behind to mourn for them.

However, I've always failed to take into account that some people have literally hit rock bottom. They have no support system around them, and their family and friends have all abandoned them.

I've fortunately been lucky enough to have had a good life, so the concept of suicide is so hard for me to even consider for a second. But there are people out there who have no other way out.

Also, many people don't realize that depression is a mental illness. Even if the person has loved ones supporting them, they still feel like they're completely alone, being swallowed up in despair.

I still don't condone suicide, but I won't be thinking of them as cowards anymore.

People on here are so judgmental. They assume they know exactly what is going on inside a suicidal person's mind but they don't have the slightest idea. Everyone assume life is so important and we need to hold onto it by whatever means necessary. People say people who commit suicide are afraid to live, maybe they can say you're just afraid to die.

@SecretSanctuary: No problem. And yeah, you don't have to agree with it. The point here is understanding the mindset that can lead to suicide. You don't have to condone something to understand it.

I'm sure everyone can "manage" a mental illness to certain degrees. It largely depends on the person and the treatments that are available to/for them.
I've lost a few friends to suicide, and it's very easy to get angry at their actions. It's considerably harder to try and understand what led them to it. So I've talked to professionals about the matter, etc.

Why does it even matter, The dead don't care what you think of them.

Because people don't have the motivation to keep going. They could keep going (physically at least) if they "only" tried but it would take a lot of effort and they're "too weak" to continue so they "let" themselves spiral down until their natural behaviour (staying alive) messes up and they reach a mental point where they feel as if death is less painful than life.

It's coward because they don't try. Especially teenagers. There are ways to improve your life most of the time (unless you have a fatal disease and honestly I don't think anyone who's gonna die anyway will be called a coward for ending his life just a few weeks or days sooner)

Now, "only" trying sounds easier than it is but of course it isn't. Logically it truly is. Just sleep, wake, do your duties, sleep, wake, do your duties. You could be living like a willingless doll and try to get through the hard times (that's especially what it mostly takes for teenagers...) but they're too emotionally messed up to be able to think rational.
Crap like that would happen less frequently if people would pay more attention and if there's be more bully-awareness. A lot of times kids don't understand what they are doing - or they straight out lack empathy to a very unhealthy level (you know about those people that make fun of those that have suicided...) and teachers are too lazy or stupid to see what is going on. Honestly, I don't think it's all that hard to figure out there is a problem with a child when it clearly is by itself most of the time or when it has constant issues to do group activities and such.
I guess they think that the child has to defend itself (survival of the fittest-mentality) but they don't realise that it's not even a fair "competition" when a single child has a handful (or more) kids agaisnt it.

Parents don't seem to pay enough attention either. Or they don't care, whatever it is.

And then there's also the fact that some people are depressed (or emotionally affected) due to hormonal dysfunction in their brain. At least I've heard of a case of that (gf of a friend)

One way or the other.... if you look at it from a very rational (and at the same time ignorant) view you can say that whoever suicides is just a coward (though honestly, personally I think the biggest cowards are those that keep whining about it online (especially if they're "only" in a rough phase (kids, it's called PUBERTY!) and they think they're so philosopical and deep) trying to get attention from it rather than telling it someone who can actually help them) because a lot of times the issues that made them suicide could have been fixed easily if they would have simply spoken up.
But if you look at it emotionally it's pretty horrible and sad since society is quite a big asshole and if it wouldn't be there wouldn't be as many - if any - suicides (aside from those that happen due to absolute mental disease or the wish to decide over their own death rather than having a disease wreck them)

Because of Hamlet.

1. Person is running away from life
2. Person is hurting everyone around him/her

@Telatsu: Hahas, thank you so much for the appreciation I try to understand all sides of the matter, and I do try to be in other people's shoes, so I can at least roughly where they come from. Mhm, that was what I hope for, the realisation that no one dies alone. Personally, even after knowing how a person with a suicidal thought and a believe of how their own death would be the best for those dear to them, I simply cannot bring myself to accept that as the truth anymore... I can understand why they might think that way, 'cause I use to have the same mindset, however, after I've passed that thought, it became a very strange thought that I cannot agree with again. If you get what I mean o.o

I'm just wondering, is it not possible to say that it's not impossible for no matter how serious the case of a person and their own mental illnesses, that they can learn to manage their problems? Also, if I may ask, how did you become so informative with this topic?
P.s. I do appreciate and respect your opinions on this topic, thank you

[quote=iDrinkOJ]if death is so "easy" everyone would do it. dying IS a way to get rid of their mental and physical pain. why is there "pride, honor, dignity" in prolonging your life? death is inevitable part of life. eventually everyone dies so why does it matter if its now or later. in life you try obtain love, wealth, knowledge, recognition but in the end none of that matters when you're dead. it's not how long you live but whether your life has meaning. i don't understand why people try to label others as "cowardly" based on what they want do with their life.[/quote]

Pride, honor, and dignity have nothing to do with prolonging life, or how long you live. It's the byproduct of braving your most difficult challenges, and coming out on top rather than (for the lack of a better phrase) giving up. Everyone dies, yes. Death isn't something any of us can predict, but it's somewhat irrelevant for you to bring that up. I understand you're trying to say everyone has that same fate in store, but that doesn't mean to cut it short. Sure, we all know the world may not last forever, but does that mean we want to just nuke everything and get it over with? Hell no, because there's so much more to it than that.

None of that stuff matters once we die, but it matters up until the final moment. I don't think it's as much about labeling someone as cowardly; it's more about the act itself. It says that you chose to disregard what you mean to the rest of the world (and yourself), and that you don't care to see how everything turns out. It shows that instead of being a strong individual, you chose to give up in the face of adversity.

@Gyro: As for you- Being physically ill? Okay, so people who know they have cancer or have only short amounts of time left in their life. I'm sure not all of them who get the news react the same, I'm sure a lot of them want to just end it right there. But more often than not, I think most of those people understand that if they only have a short time to live, they'd rather go out with a bang than take their own life. That says something about suicide right there. People who KNOW they're going to die soon would rather do everything in their power to accomplish life goals, or do things they've always wanted to do, rather than give up just because "Things suck". Also, a lot of these people try anything they can to prolong life rather than end it, even knowing it may be impossible. It takes bravery. Which, *gasp*, is the opposite of cowardice.

For mental illness, that depends. If you're saying like, people who don't think straight in the first place, like people in asylums, then that's already flawed logic. Other than that, if you're talking bipolar, intense depression, skitzoe, things like that, there's still ways out. If you're beyond help, that doesn't mean the only resort is to kill yourself. I'm sorry to have to say it, but you have to be somewhat weak-willed, or weak minded to believe the only thing you can do is suicide to solve problems. If one person overcomes it, you can overcome it as well. It isn't always going to be easy, but you have to have the self-confidence, and you have to build it up within yourself to overcome your problems. Anyone contemplating suicide out there is just as good of a person as any of us. If they were toys, they wouldn't be defective, they'd be just as good as the rest of us.

Also, it's not a poor example to use. It's absolutely true, as cliche as the example may have been. My other example would have been a homeless person. What do they have to live for? They usually have an unpleasant disposition, have no money, no friends (in a general sense), no family, nobody to love, no food, nothing. They have literally no reason to live, but they choose to at least try their hardest to. If they care that much about life, yet someone in a much better situation (with much more to live for) doesn't care enough to try and stay alive? Like I said, that says something about their character. The act of suicide itself is just a cowardly one. The pain involved is what people perceive as "Taking guts" to do.

[quote=xipwnux99]Death is the easy way out of a hard life and they think dying is a way to ease the pain. People who commit suicide also die without pride, honor, or dignity. Take it from someone who contemplated suicide for years.[/quote]

if death is so "easy" everyone would do it. dying IS a way to get rid of their mental and physical pain. why is there "pride, honor, dignity" in prolonging your life? death is inevitable part of life. eventually everyone dies so why does it matter if its now or later. in life you try obtain love, wealth, knowledge, recognition but in the end none of that matters when you're dead. it's not how long you live but whether your life has meaning. i don't understand why people try to label others as "cowardly" based on what they want do with their life.

Mainly because you're taking the easy way out when things get tough. Of course it's hard to call it easy when we're talking about taking your own life, but it's like the alternative to roughing it out and finding another, more positive solution to your issues.

Aside from that, it's cowardly because you're not taking into account the people you're hurting around you. Even if some people say nobody cares about them, there's SOMEONE who's going to be negatively affected by your selfish choice to do such a thing.

But yeah, mostly the first part. The way the world is can be cruel, sure. There's bullies, there's people who make you feel worthless, or ugly; there's bad times, and hard times where you think there's no realistic way out. But honestly, to think suicide is the only way out of said situations is sad, and pathetic almost. I sympathize with people in those scenarios, but there's so much worse out there than what most of us experience. People in poverty stricken countries who struggle to live on a daily basis don't just want to give up because things are hard, so why should someone with (likely more) privilege's and options open to them, do it? Life ain't easy, but trudging through the roughest parts of it makes you stronger.

[quote=Kalemora]Is it really selfish when you think that these people would be better off without you?[/quote]
That doesn't change the fact that a suicide can still complicate their lives.

Death is the easy way out of a hard life and they think dying is a way to ease the pain. People who commit suicide also die without pride, honor, or dignity. Take it from someone who contemplated suicide for years.

Given that a lot of suicides are from people running away from their problems and aren't well thought out it makes sense. Remember most people aren't thinking straight so it isn't nearly as brave as you'd think.

They think life is a choice.

From a scientific, rational point of view, "cowardly", "bravery" etc. are stupid terms, simply because they are based on your ability to tolerate and withstand certain extremes. This aptitude is the sum of things like mental stableness, social influences, experiences, genetic inclination for depression, and more. Adopting their mentality and philosohpy, you could even be cowardly for wanting to live on this gay earth; your state of mind alters your opinions and viewpoints of damn near everything, including whether it's worth living here or not. You might not understand because you've never ACTUALLY hit rock bottom, you've never ACTUALLY been so hormonally imbalanced and depressive that you've contemplated such a grave way out. Most people on Basil, myself included, don't really understand the matter. But really, the spoiled brat exposed for sending nude pictures commits suicide vs. the African children soldiering on despite poverty? Assuming humans are rational beings (which they are), and things happen for a reason, the former was made mentally weak, and the latter were born needing to be "brave".

It's just our culture. Seppuku in Ancient Japan was a very honorable way to die, remember? ^^

it's not cowardly in my opinion. people are so judgmental. a person's life belong to them and nobody else. if they want to die then let them die. its their life, their choice. who are you to call them "cowardly"? people think everyone is the same when they're not. everyone faces different problems so stop assuming everyone's life is so perfect. stop telling people how to live their lives. if its so cowardly then everyone would be committing suicide. we're not all brave. do you honestly think its easy to commit suicide? do you think a coward is capable of putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger? yeah... right.

I can see suicide as being both cowardly and brave. Cowardly if they are in the gutter, homeless, penniless, drug addict their life is miserable, what have you, and instead of trying to fix their problems, they just kill themselves so they don't have to deal with it. At the same time, it is natural instinct to want to survive, so to be able to go against your natural instincts and take your own life, not knowing what is on the other side, if there is anything at all, that takes some guts. It depends on the scenario I suppose.

However, I have to disagree with the notion of when someone kills themselves, they don't die alone. If someone's death by their own hand would really have brought such distraught and overwhelming sadness to people who apparently cared about them very much, well, they sure showed their care to that person to allow them to be in the scenario, situation and mindset to contemplate suicide in the first place. For the person to feel so unloved, worthless, and unnecessary that they would believe that the world is better off without them, either they must have not had anyone close to them to support them, or the people who they did have didn't care too much in the end.

I honestly see it as a bandwagon kind of thing. Someone who has been suffering through life and in their dire time of need, no one really cared for them or helped them. Then, they kill themselves and suddenly everyone cares now. It's not the problems or well being of said person that makes the public care and pay attention to them, it's the act of committing suicide that draws all this sadness and pity. Then you get messages such as "Oh my god, this is such a shame" "He had so much potential" "It truly is a tragedy" and all the "social activists" come out and try to spread word of how horrible the situation is and how greatly this affects them. If their well being and death truly affects them so much, then why were they not there in that person's time of need? Why do they only care after they already died?

Suicide is over dramatized and over reacted too. It is that person's own life and their choice whether to take it or not. Are you saying they don't even have the right to decide what to do with their life? That people should force someone to live even if they don't want to? One thing that annoys me is the "It will get better" campaign going around. That is a gray scenario, how do you know it will get better? There have been some cases where it has gotten better for people, but for others, they live their entire life in suffering and misery. By saying that it will ABSOLUTELY get better is false promises and hope.

I can somewhat understand family members and close friends to be distraught at someone's suicide, though my previous points of where were they in their time of need still stands, but what I do not understand is why people from the other side of the country or globe care so much. I can say that I will not feel a twinge of sorrow for the death/suicide of nameless figure miles away from me who has no impact on my life whatsoever. Though that is merely my opinion, and while I cannot understand why other's will feel sadness and pity, that is their opinion. You can hate me, judge me and treat me differently for my opinion if you so desire, that's your freedom of speech to express your opinion, just as I express my inability to understand the other side and my annoyance at how certain groups of people react to these situations, but know that despite my annoyances and inability to see eye to eye, I do not act on my different beliefs. And that I feel is something a lot of people do not understand. I can dislike you for your opinion, but so long as I treat you the same as anyone else, I do not see the wrong doing in stating my opinions.

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When I think of suicide people, I usually think of these people. I know they're not related, but still funny.
It does not apply to those with special circumstances, like being bullied, mental abuse, etc.

Jeebas I hate emos.

Because it's the shortcut to end all your pain.

suicide is stupid and coward because you consider your life not worth to be lived, your self-steam is so low to think other people is much better than yours, to the hell with others you live your life as you want it not as other tell you to live it

I believe the only appropriate time where suicide would even be considered an option is if you are terminally ill and in immense physical pain. I see suicide as a cowardly act because of the pain you put on your friends and family, not just with your death, but also with finding your body. I would never put that burden on the people I care about.

[quote=angramainyu]On Basil? Because of the age demographic. In real life? Most people who've developed past the mental age of 12 take suicide pretty seriously.[/quote]

So people who say that suicide is cowardly aren't taking suicide seriously?

because life is tough. dying is terrifying yes but once you die. that's it. no more pain. hence why it is called "the easy way out"

[quote=Snovvy]If Osama Bin Laden had killed himself because he wanted all of his victims' families to feel as if there was some justice in the world; to feel at peace, then is it a cowardly act on his part?

If no, then why is it automatically a cowardly act when the scale is much smaller?

If there was a guy, who's family was a little detached from them, and who had no close friends, perhaps just normal friends, who would beat his girlfriend, when he couldn't stop himself, and he couldn't bring himself to leave her, and she couldn't bring herself to leave him, and if he killed himself so she could be free, is that an act of cowardice?

Perhaps it can be cowardly and caring at the same time. Surely, when someone kills someone right in-front of a police officer, he's being very brave, but does that automatically make his bravery a good thing? As such, is cowardice always a bad thing?

OT: Suicide being demonized is a result of our Christian culture. Japan has one of the world's highest suicide rates, and historically, since there wasn't a king telling them to adopt a religion that demanded they stay alive (presumably to be a worship slave, or to stay profitable to those in power,) Japan viewed suicide as a way to "die with honor".[/quote]

That being said, in most of those cases, the Japanese used suicide as a way to die because of some dishonorable thing they've done, as if to rectify that dishonor with, what they believed, was a last honorable act. This is pretty much just another system of belief, and not only that, but also a way to get out of having to face something head-on in life. It's used as a way to get out of having to deal with something, some wrong they've done. That's cowardice at it's definition.

Suicide is for losers, IMHO. As a person who's life was affected first hand by it, it's a way for people that don't want to deal to get out of having to deal. It's the puss way out. It's death being used as a release. My step-father committed suicide/was possibly murdered in 1999, (honestly, we're not 100% sure because of the circumstances), and my father for sure committed suicide in 2001. It's a terrible burden to leave behind on the family and they never get over it. The only person that doesn't have to deal with it is the punkass that does it.

It truly is an act of selfishness and cowardice.

i dont anything wrong with suicide, though i dont want kids to be bullied into it
life is very depressing if you think about it, death is certain therefore everybody you know will die
and if you dont want to see everybody you know die/get hurt,
either never make friends/fall in love or die

@SecretSanctuary: It's not too long. I appreciate your sincerity in trying to be understood on a particularly difficult subject matter. In regards to your previous post, I do appreciate how you view suicide. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but it appears you do not agree with those who call it a cowardly act, rather you're attempting to explain how they would come to that conclusion. That's perfectly acceptable!

Such as when you say, "Suiciding, in many ways, can also be seen as a selfish act." The phrasing here leads me to believe that you yourself may not view as such, or rather you recognize outside and internal suicide can lead someone who faces the prospect of suicide. The bulk of your conversation seems to lend itself to those who are affected by suicide, which I would never ever want to down play. It's emotionally taxing and devastating for everyone involved.

However, in your edit it appears you're conflating those who have it rough in this topsy turvy world of ours, with those who have conditions or predisposed mental facilities towards suicide. It's important to establish the distinction. Death, in a lot of people's minds who commit suicide, is seen as a fair alternative to everyone around them. As I mentioned in my previous post, they do it because they completely believe that death is the best for everyone involved, including themselves. Yet one of the biggest pieces most people don't mention is that in a large amount of cases, they also had believed it would be best for those who they were closest too.

But in general no, your post was thoughtful and you're trying to contemplate a complex and dynamic subject. So no, my post was not directed towards you.
P.S. It's important to note that people do not overcome their mental illnesses, they learn to manage them.

Because if you label something as that as bad people won't do it, survival of the fittest and what not. Social conditioning still has a huge role in the survival of a species.

And I don't believe that since the action takes a lot of willpower to do, either that or a shattered will.

Quoting myself half a year ago:

"I see it either as a extremely strong will, or a completely broken one. Contemplating suicide is nothing, however the actual action.. The amount of willpower you need to proceed with it is simply unbelievable to me. I do not see cowardice in suicide."

There is also people who commit suicide who believe that they've accomplished their biggest goals in life and see no reason to continue on living.
I've overheard a few people took their lives in order to escape from the life cycle... Man, they even lived in the same town as i do right now.

[quote=Telatsu]I'm saddened, but I'm not surprised by some of the responses in this thread. Of course, considering the amount of people who don't treat mental illnesses as a "real" illness, it's not surprising most of these replies are geared towards approaching the mentality that leads to suicide as a choice not influenced by anything but "cowardice" instead of what it really is.[/quote]

Hello, I'm just wondering, if my response was one of those you were mentioning? 'Cause I actually can empathise (and I really do mean empathise) with someone with a mental illness. I know that mental illness do exist and are by every mean a significant aspect to how some people would approach to death as the only way out. Still, as how harsh the word "cowardice" sounds. With people who can't relate to them, they cannot empathise and possibly would not want to, as that can only lead to them thinking the same way a person with the thought of suicide. They can only sympathise, but still some people use the word "cowardice" because they either cannot simply understand the severity of the situation and use these sorts of words to beckon them to think otherwise, or that some have already overcome their mental illnesses and could only think back as a cowardly past in their life, that they are glad they have over come. I hope you get what I mean, I'm really trying to refrain from writing way too much for an average basiler would read. I apologise if this is still too long

[quote=Kalemora]Is it really selfish when you think that these people would be better off without you?[/quote]
Because suicide is all about you and no one else. Someone out there, even if it is just one person, cares for you. Even if it is just one person you are still hurting them tremendously because you couldn't deal with your problems. If you have the "everyone would be better off without me" mentality, you need to see a doctor to try and remedy that.

I'm saddened, but I'm not surprised by some of the responses in this thread. Of course, considering the amount of people who don't treat mental illnesses as a "real" illness, it's not surprising most of these replies are geared towards approaching the mentality that leads to suicide as a choice not influenced by anything but "cowardice" instead of what it really is.

Because when you kill yourself you are running away, trying to use death as an escape. You lack the courage to live and challenge the problems in your life. Basically something like that.

Offing yourself and leaving your family, friends, loved ones, ect to grieve and deal with what you couldn't is selfish. I think it is tragic that people kill themselves, and I know that some of them could have been prevented had the people who know them took them seriously and got them help.

It's only considered cowardly by the people who don't understand the mental anguish and accompanying disease that goes along with the mentality that you truly, wholeheartedly believe the world is better off without you.

IE: "They were too weak to deal with the world" whereas it's more of the notion that the world would be better if they were not in it.

[Edit] It's important to make a distinction between the people who use suicidal tendences as a cry for help and those who are suffer from mental illness that pushes them towards suicide. Often, those who use it as a cry for help do not fully intend to kill themselves or believe they will be saved before they do. Those with illness often go for ways that are the most likely to end their lives, usually without warning.

Of course there are those who are still developing, usually adolescents, who, usually with underlying issues including whatever made them bring it to the surface, are oft incapable of dealing with trauma. This is seen in the recent publicized teen deaths because of bullying. These teens were likely predisposed towards mental illness or in the case of the recent teen death, suffer from trauma(Most likely PTSD) due to an incident in their lives. (In the recent case, rap3.)

Pretty much what @Dorks said.
Even if I get suicidal at a point I'd never do it because I don't want to hurt anyone in the process, doing it would be cowardly and selfish as believe it or not people do actually care for you, unless you have absolutely no one in your life.

Rather than cowardly, it's more often seen around as criticising people's life.
People ususally call it a cowardly act, 'cause it's seen as a form of escaping dangerous and unpleasant situations in their lives and lack the courage to face these sorts of problems. It's also in my case, what I would call a permanent act of resolving a problem, and there is definitely no going back on it.
Suiciding, in many ways, can also be seen as a selfish act, as no one dies alone. And causes much sufferings to those around them who cares for the person.
And even if I didn't know the person, and to hear them die (suicidal act or not) it still leaves me feel a hint of sadness. How can one, not feel the sorrow of one life gone? Let alone a life taken away intentionally by one self? It makes people wonder what sort of situation had happen to that deceased, that made him/her find that there are no solutions in the world, but to approach death? No one feels over-joyed by knowing something like that? How do you expect someone to give a positive comment on someone's suicide? And how can any death, by suicide be a honorable one?

Edit: And of course, everyone in the world have their own problems to face, and everyone have problems that they find hard to live with, but if that's the case, should everyone approach death? If that's the case, how would you think the world would be, if death is the best option to resolve every seemingly dead-end situations?
And I am well aware, that these sort of rationality doesn't work on those who are already suffering mental illnesses, however, we can always learn to prevent from falling way too deep and into the depth beyond self-saving. Still, even with or without mental illnesses, it really depends on the severity of their mental capabilities. And sometimes, these sort of rational thinking could wake some sense in them, and provide a step forward to positive thinking. I don't see how there is no way but death, that can solve a problem. 'Cause clearly the problem is not solved, even if the person dies, it only ends for only that deceased. And I can't see how it is impossible for someone with sever mental illness, to not recover back to their sanity. I have only the best faith in hope that people could learn from their experiences and make it better. No matter how bad the situations are, there is always something in this world.

Also, this topic, is far too complex for my human mind. I don't think I am capable to cover all of everything to this suicide topic, 'cause it is specific and different for everyone. I can't say I know everything, but I believe that death should not be a form of resolution, and if you need help, seek for it... do not by any means wait for help to come to you, it sometimes doesn't... what if help doesn't come? Do you seek death? NO! Seek for help, and if there's still no assistance, seek for help again and again and again and again, til you find the happy ending that you are happy with. Don't give up and keep on persevering, 'cause no journey like this is an easy one, don't even expect it to be easy, 'cause it isn't. Seriously, everyone have at least face one sort of situation that they find it hard to bear with, so don't even think you are the only one with the world against you, 'cause you're not. And you're not alone.

@ReplyTranie : I forgot that a lot of people on this website take Social Darwinism seriously.
@Dorks : Have you ever felt suicidal? How would you know that's what they're thinking?

@LEGENDairy: Doesn't thought like that kinda distance oneself from other's suffering though? It just seems flawed to me. It takes guts and a lot of planning/reconciling to go through with that kind of thing.

Because they can't accept who they are or confront whatever problems they may be having so they give up on life. It's not facing death imo, it's running away forever and leaving the baggage to their family and friends.

Because they won't man up and deal with life head on, instead they choose to run away from it.

That's what I believe people who label those who suicide as cowards would say (or along the lines of anyway). I personally don't really care if someone chooses to take their life, it's their choice really and I'll respect that choice.