Marksman 5th Job Advancement Tutorial Skill Discussion
5th Job skills from Orangemushroom.net:
Guided Arrow: Summon spirit arrows that track and attack nearby enemies. [max level: 50]
Level 1: Consumes 250 MP. For 20 seconds, create a spirit arrow near you. While fighting, the arrow will attack 1 nearby enemy, dealing 226% damage Z times. Cooldown: 30 seconds.
Level 50: Consumes 250 MP. For 45 seconds, create a spirit arrow near you. While fighting, the arrow will attack 1 nearby enemy, dealing 520% damage Z times. Cooldown: 30 seconds.
True Sniping: Accurately snipe enemies in your sights. Use your left mouse click to attack and right click to cancel the skill. [max level: 50]
Level 1: Consumes 1000 MP. Fire up to 4 arrows dealing 760% damage 5 times (all critical hits) on up to 5 enemies. Enemies closer to the centre of the scope will take increased damage, from 20% up to 100% based on the distance. You can aim for up to 12 seconds, during which you are invincible. Cooldown: 180 seconds.
Level 50: Consumes 1000 MP. Fire up to 20 arrows dealing 1250% damage 5 times (all critical hits) on up to 5 enemies. Enemies closer to the centre of the scope will take increased damage, from 20% up to 100% based on the distance. You can aim for up to 12 seconds, during which you are invincible. Cooldown: 180 seconds.
Rope Connect: Throw a rope into the sky and move upwards quickly. [max level: 50]
Level 1: While moving upwards, you can press the skill key again to cancel it. Passive effect: 1 all stats.
Level 50: While moving upwards, you can press the skill key again to cancel it. Passive effect: 50 all stats.
Blink: Teleport to a random location on the map. [max level: 50]
Level 1: Consumes 5% HP, instantly teleport to a random location on the map. Cooldown: 40 seconds. Passive effect: 1 attack and magic attack.
Level 50: Consumes 5% HP, instantly teleport to a random location on the map. Cooldown: 15 seconds. Passive effect: 50 attack and magic attack.
Elda Nova: Collect elda from around you and attack enemies. Enemies hit will be binded. [max level: 50]
Level 1: Consumes 10% HP, deals 415% damage 5 times and binds enemies for 10 seconds. Enemies affected by Elda Nova can have their bind duration extended by up to 100% if they continue to take damage. Cooldown: 360 seconds.
Level 50: Consumes 10% HP, deals 1150% damage 5 times and binds enemies for 10 seconds. Enemies affected by Elda Nova can have their bind duration extended by up to 100% if they continue to take damage. Cooldown: 160 seconds.
True Sniping is badass, but I feel the cooldown length is a bit unnecessary, and the amount of monsters that can be targeted (5) is a bit low. 10 would make more sense, considering you get 20 arrows to fire when mastered within a span of 12 seconds. Found a vid of the Marksman advancement, here you go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4kGDBf3_xs
21 Comments • Newest first
@chris949:
First of all there are about 3 people total in this thread, out of which you are the only one who claims true sniping is good, while completely ignoring every argument anyone else suggests and blindly talking about its damage as if that is the only thing that matters.
Second, do you really assume I am a lvl 53 page with no experience playing archers based on the character linked to my basil ? because if so I should probably leave this thread, seeing as you are much thicker than I have previously assumed and no amount of trying to talk sense is gonna change anything here.
You are the one who claims, and I quote, "I haven't played Maple in around two years".
Not to mention your ridiculous statement that followed that, which along with the rest of your previous comments, truly shows you don't actually know much about present day marksman/bowmaster gameplay.
I am not trolling, simply giving my opinion, and unlike your babbling I actually offer an explanation to mine.
All 5th Job skills should have a maximum CD of 30 seconds. Anything more than that doesn't make much sense, whether from a training standpoint or bossing standpoint.
With the max lvl down to only 20, yeah MM got a buff but that CD is still horribly Disgusting. Not sure why Nexon thinks that's okay...
@valano: You're the only one here salty about True Sniping, so it doesn't surprise me you chose to respond again. If anyone here lacks any understanding of Archers in general (let alone Marksman), it's a level 53 Page. And True Sniping was actually the only 5th Job skill that got buffed in all the changes since KMST. Troll somewhere else.
@chris949:
It seems even worse now than it was before.
This "mad damage" you speak of is like... what, 3 snipes per true sniping ? it means nothing when you factor in the limited hits and cooldown.
The invincibility is a cute bonus, but the skill itself isn't gonna imrpove our bossing or mobbing whatsoever.
And I wasn't gonna comment on it before but since you decided to revive this discussion, you really should rethink getting into arguments about jobs and whatnot in a game you haven't played in years.
Your one before last message shows a deep lack of understanding in how things work.
Final changes to Marksman 5th Job before official KMS release:
Guided Arrow: Summon a spirit arrow that tracks and attacks nearby enemies. When attacking enemies using Damage Reflect, you will not take damage. [max level: 20]
Level 1: Consumes 350 MP. For 20 seconds, create a spirit arrow near you. The arrow will attack 1 nearby enemy, dealing 260% damage 30 times then disappear. Cooldown: 20 seconds.
Level 20: Consumes 350 MP. For 20 seconds, create a spirit arrow near you. The arrow will attack 1 nearby enemy, dealing 450% damage 30 times then disappear. Cooldown: 20 seconds.
True Sniping: Accurately snipe enemies in your sights. Use your left mouse click to attack and right-click to cancel the skill. [max level: 20]
Level 1: Consumes 1000 MP. Fire up to 4 arrows dealing 1248% damage 7 times on up to 12 enemies with an additional 100% critical rate and 100% defense ignore. Enemies closer to the centre of the scope will take increased damage, from 15% up to 100% based on the distance. You can aim for up to 7 seconds, during which you are invincible. Cooldown: 180 seconds.
Level 20: Consumes 1000 MP. Fire up to 6 arrows dealing 2160% damage 7 times on up to 12 enemies with an additional 100% critical rate and 100% defense ignore. Enemies closer to the centre of the scope will take increased damage, from 15% up to 100% based on the distance. You can aim for up to 9 seconds, during which you are invincible. Cooldown: 180 seconds.
Mob count was in fact buffed like previously suggested, but we're still left with the crappy cooldown. At least this skill does mad damage and comes with invincibility.
man if bms got arrow rain back we should get eruption back
@mattman2623: Not sure how Marksman are better in any way than Bowmasters at bossing. Mobbing, maybe but probably not bossing. I say probably because I haven't played Maple in around two years. But Bowmasters have always been the better bossers. With a 10b damage cap who knows, but the mobbing gap has closed because of Arrow Rain.
@chris949: right now arent mms better than bm's at mobbing and bossing until hitting damage cap? with damage cap removed which job do you think will be better once 5th job is out
There wasn't really any complaint here, only the observation that the current 5th job marksman skill is useless.
And even moreso if you do compare it to things like 45% damage+extra final attack for 100 secs with 120 cd.
It is true that other skills aren't spammable either, but they also aren't at a 12:180 ratio which is way too much for what the skill does, and won't allow the skill to make any real difference other than using its invincibility sometimes as an escape.
Even as a side skill it's not impressive, and that is my point.
I'm not sure what the complaint is then. Don't we do enough damage as is? It might've been nice for True Sniping to come with an equivalent damage buff, but not having one doesn't ruin the skill. I don't see how that makes Marksman fall behind the archer classes anymore or less than where MM were before this update. None of the 5th Job skills were meant to be spammable by the way. They are meant to be used alongside already existing skills, which means Marksman will still be using Piercing Arrow. True Sniping isn't meant to be the primary skill for mobbing. That's the point.
No one was talking about speed, just damage. Obviously we can't compete with hurricane-like skills speed wise, but of course we should be able to when it comes to basic damage output.
I wasn't even comparing it to bowmasters but you seem to keep bringing them up, so yes, their new 45% damage buff even without the raining arrows, is still more helpful than True Sniping.
The damage it can theoretically do within those 12 seconds is equal to about 30 snipes or so, and that's great and all, but when you consider how long you have to wait between each use it's hardly any improvement in a long fight.
And yes, I do care about damage, there's nothing wrong with that, but even if I didn't I'd still think True Sniping sounds like a bad skill.
Even if we look at it from another angle- you keep mentioning its mobbing ability as opposed to our comments about bossing, but that is also void because what are you going to do with a mobbing skill that allows you to attack for 12 seconds and then make you wait 180 ?
It would be fun to use, but it sure as hell isn't going to make much of a difference in your training pattern, and endgame bosses these days don't have multiple parts anymore.
Don't get me wrong here, I am not attacking you or saying that this skill would suck for sure, there's hardly anything we can judge that from this early, but aside from a nice and different concept there seems to be nothing helpful in this skill- both for bossing and mobbing. Mostly because of the ridiculous cooldown, as you stated too.
Speaking from pure stats, True Sniping does respectable damage (especially when maxed). It's not a burst skill or a dpm/dps skill. It's supposed to be a mobbing skill, but does enough damage where it could be effective when bossing if not for the cool down. Like I was saying before, though, Marksman were never going to receive a high dpm/dps skill. Instead, Nexon took Snipe and turned it into a mobbing skill. I love the concept, the skill itself just needs to be improved slightly.
I'm just talking pure stats here not interesting or creative o.o that's all on opinion lolz
What's so interesting about Bowmasters getting a damage buff plus another AFA for a 5th Job skill? Nexon basically took away Arrow Rain from Rangers, and then years later turned it into Trifling Wind and gave it back to them at 5th Job with a damage buff. Buff duration doesn't work on any 5th Job skills I don't think. And it doesn't say when the cooldown starts (should be after the 100 seconds imo or that's ultra cheap).
Arrow Rain - At max level (Level 50): Consumes 750 MP. For 100 seconds, your damage is increased by 45% and when attacking, every 5 seconds, arrows will rain from the sky for 2.5 seconds dealing 400% damage continuously on up to 15 enemies. Cooldown: 120 seconds.
It's true MM did get the short stick I mean look at that ^ 45% dmg + AFA kinda skill Lol. Also if Buff duration works then you can have it pretty much 100% on.
But It's still in testing so anything can change xD
@mattman2623: Bowmasters basically got another AFA which stacks with their AFA. Arrow Rain has a set activation rate and only activates when used with another attack. Good for helping them mob, and if it works with Hurricane/Platter it's also good for bossing. But it's nothing incredible imo. True Sniping hits for massive damage and the scope can be moved across the screen to hit multiple targets. If True Sniping could target more than 5 monsters it would be perfect for mobbing and bossing.
And when True Sniping is maxed you get 20 arrows, which is plenty. The only downsides to this skill is the atrocious cool down, and the limited monsters you can target. I get the MapleStory meta game is all about damage output and speed (dps/dpm), but Marksman are not and never will be like Bowmasters/Mercedes. We won't be getting a Hurricane/IR, and if you want faster attack speed, better settle for Decent SI. The obsession over damage output is a bit over the top. What were people expecting Marksman to get for 5th Job, Hurricane or an AoE "ultimate"? Those were unrealistic expectations.
@mattman2623:
Agreed, even without comparing our skill to BMs it seems like we're on the low end of the 5th job usefulness. The only good thing about True Sniping is probably the invincibility which may get handy in certain situations, but with such a long cooldown on so few hits I doubt it would really change much of our damage output.
@chris949:
Any idea what's up with this guy's damage, in relation to his range (the cvel video) ?
Unless I'm going blind here or missing something crucial, he seems to have over 8mil range (15mil buffed in the beginning), 37K dex, enough boss% and defense ignore, and yet... incredibly low damage for this kind of stats.
anyone else feel that bms got a better 5th job skill? in the time it takes to aim and shoot all arrows i couldve already done more damage with sniping
True Sniping + Snipe on a boss sounds interesting. The cooldown really is the only downside then. The invincibility while targeting with the scope is a nice bonus too.
Found another Marksman vid. The first vid I posted doesn't show the invincibility described in the patch notes, but this vid shows it. Also when you have the scope up, the bottom right of the screen shows how many arrows are available for use and how many have been used. No vids for any 5th Job archers I've seen have shown off Guided Arrow yet. Guided Arrow sounds like an additional summon. Wonder if it works alongside Phoenix/Frostprey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWNXtSqZqc
MM already have awesome mobbing, I think the new skill is better for bossing. Also is there a vid showcasing Guided Arrow?