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Inb4 people complain about cube mission day 3

Let's all unite. and camp at ch1 drakes. gogogo.

August 26, 2015

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1manwolfpacc56

panflesca

Skyline is in haven. Best way to get there is use pantheon door to Haven..and its the portal all the way to the left

Reply August 27, 2015
SadVirgin

This thread...
Anyway, I had a very pleasant time teaming up with a random person at Warrior Grounds while I was doing the quest myself, and accidentally gained 8% there. They wished me happy mapling.

Reply August 27, 2015
KnuckleBrown

At the end of the day you all lose and Nexon wins. /thread

Reply August 27, 2015 - edited
Musaab1

[quote=wall]@musaab1: Thank you for reading only the first two sentences, if you even read that much.

I'll bold what you neglected to read.[/quote]
Why did you even say anything then. You're telling me i can't read but you failed to realize that the mission itself was 10 elite monsters. Good one

Reply August 27, 2015 - edited
Kiirori

@slyone: tldr for you is that my initial comment wasn't for the intention of criticizing the way he plays but to provide a counter-argument to the notion he was projecting, and also to address the elitist tone of his (misinformed) comment, which in hindsight, is a bit more understandable but still provocative the way he worded it.

@pokiitia:

you've completely misconstrued my initial comment. the only part of my comment that even relates to his playstyle is"paying to reach 2m2m defeats a fundamental purpose of playing a game", and the thing is, i could write you a bloody thesis much longer than this post on why that's closer to a fact than an opinion. but in saying that his playstyle goes against the norm, i'm not criticizing him for it, i'm saying that he shouldn't condescend to the people who put in effort that aren't in a preferable position like he is.

i am not contradicting myself nor am i being a hypocrite. i wasn't criticizing his playstyle but the display of elitism that i AND several others (coincidence?) perceived from his comment.
if i was criticizing his playstyle i'd be criticizing myself at the same time for the amount of money i've spent on this game.
the real reason you thought i was attacking his playstyle is because you were under the impression that i'm some unfunded noob who only complains about how nexon is unfair for making this game pay2win. i'm well aware those people exist but unfortunately you were wrong about me. and on the contrary to what you said, i never had any overbearing impressions that you were a big money spender, if anything it makes more sense that you're not. why else are you generating all these false arguments to defend what wall said? trying to win his favor or something?

"It was only the truth"
let's talk about the 'truth' and how fervently you tried to defend such fickle idea. wall wasn't even fully aware of the contents of the quest and made his misinformed comment. he then retracted his statement in a later response. there goes your 'truth'.

"I don't know what makes you think that hard work is the only socially acceptable way to play the game, but it's not. "
if my comment doesn't make you realize that this ISN'T what i think, but merely a distorted version fabricated in your rotten head so you can form these false argument and give wall's D a good rub, then don't bother continuing this conversation.

"You can spend money AND work hard. "
uhhhh amen? like i said, i've spent a fair share of money on this game during marvel and miracle time. but i still enjoyed doing the treasure hunt event back in february. it allowed me to perfect my CRA set during spell trace fever for free, which was also helped by the fact that i got my diligence to lvl 100. i also farmed coins to buy and fully scroll my sup gollux. and not to mention my sw glasses which took 1 month of reward point cubes to get to legendary, and then a lucky 30% dex roll with a crafted meister cube. but to get to the point, i am nigh the epitome of the statement you made, how could i possibly criticize either side when i embody both?

but under your criteria, i'm somehow 'losing' at this game because i wasted 'precious hours' of my life hunting treasures/farming coins to perfect my CRA and gollux gear? or perhaps that i'm 'broke' because i chose to capitalize on a free feature of this game as opposed to spending 6k nx instead? honestly, please take some time reflect on how these notions contradict with your statement.

@wall i understand that you're in a position where getting 5 free (by many people's standards) meister cubes is not worth the effort. especially when you're financially more than capable of shelling out $7 if you wished to purchase the equivalent (or slightly better). but in saying "how broke must one be..." implies a multitude of derogatory connotations even if you didn't mean it literally. and unfortunately, your position as someone who is well off (in-game or out of game) insinuates a sense of superiority, which to many people like myself feels condescending.

but realistically speaking you are superior in many aspects compared to others. i'm sure wallsnumberonefangirl would be quick to exclaim how it's 'the truth'. but you know what else would be the truth? me going up to homeless person on the streets and telling him that i have money and he doesn't. this isn't meant to be a completely analogous example but rather to demonstrate how voicing the 'truth' can come off as inconsiderate.

i'm also aware that you were misinformed about the quest, but if you were under the impression that the quest was long and arduous, why is it that instead of commenting on nexon's pushy requirements, you insult the people who are trying their best to obtain a reward? to address your reply to my 2nd point, and also "I am not able to understand why people would spend an entire day to get 5 meister cubes", it's because a lot of these people aren't able to spend hundreds during miracle time like you, so they feel inclined to take advantage of something that they can obtain through playing the game.

Reply August 27, 2015 - edited
Musaab1

[quote=wall]@kiirori: in my personal opinion (it's ok for me to have one, just like yourself) those cubes are far from free. 5 meister cubes to me are worth less than 5 red cubes, 5 red cubes is roughly $7 of my native currency. I don't want to get into specifics because I don't feel the need to, but I earn much more than $7 per hour at my job. Here's where a bit of confusion comes in. I had already logged off for the night, and could only take other people's word for the daily goal, which at that point I understood it to be 8 elite bosses, not elite mobs. 8 elite bosses would take roughly 17x longer than 8 elite mobs. I could not ever justify spending all my waking hours in a day hunting down these bosses for essentially less than $7. Now that I know it's only elite mobs, that can easily be done. I summon roughly 20 (or more) elite mobs a day from runes while training, so this can be easily done, and I could see that being worth it.

To address your points:
1. working all day to get less than $7 worth of cubes, is not free in my eyes. (time = money)
2. Miracle time has nothing to do with what I was talking about, and I spent over 800k, so I'll ignore that.
3. I spend money on this game because I choose to, I could reach 2m range (if that is anything important) without paying, but it would take me a much longer time.

I don't care about money at all, I've got enough to not notice a thousand missing if I choose to spend it on maple in one day. I'm not acting all high and mighty, however I am expressing my personal opinion, and that is that I am not able to understand why people would spend an entire day to get 5 meister cubes. [b]However[/b] now that I know it's only elite mobs I can retract what I said, as I was misinformed, and do not think that it would be a waste to do this any longer (can be completed while training, which I do anyways).[/quote]
The Whole day? lol those elite mobs took me a maximum of 30 minutes searching for runes of darkness.

Reply August 27, 2015 - edited
probelv2

[quote=wall]
@probelv2: that's excellent, I commend your self control. However whether someone else spending their own money should be no one's business but their own. I train 8+ hours a day, so I never feel like I want to spend another hour or two participating in an event that is not worth it to me. Again, everyone's got a different way to play this game, however it seems that only people who do not pay end up bashing those who choose to.[/quote]

People can spend their money and time to whatever they want, thats what separates successful people from the non successful. Just my 2 cents

One could say that training 8 hours a day is pointless, and another could say spending 8 hours a day trying to gain meister cubes us pointless. But play what you like, play how you like

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
NewgodIydit

I forfeited the quest from my main cause I couldn't find any low levels at drakes(idk why I didn't just cc) to accept it on a mule, and I couldn't, I also can't from my main now.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
yunioracosta

You are entitled to your opinion and everyone is entitled to enjoy the game as they please, however I enjoy this game enough to spend a lot of time on it, so I don't mind. I still manage to juggle this game between work and school. I have nothing against those who spend money on this game, it is their money and they get to choose what to do with it. I just found it a bit offensive when you said someone is broke for spending hours on the game instead of money... >.<
[quote=wall]@yunioracosta: Little snip from my post, if you didn't read it.
I have never said that anyone else should feel ashamed or something to participate in events, I only ever express my personal opinion. It's great that you eat mcdonalds and fuel your car, I do that same (not a fan of mcdonalds though).

You kind of contradict yourself here. Spending time "working" in game in order to get these "free" cubes is something that a lot of people don't understand I suppose. People everywhere else understand that time is money, yet here I get bashed for using the money I earn in 8 minutes on something as opposed to spending hours in game to get the same result.

@probelv2: that's excellent, I commend your self control. However whether someone else spending their own money should be no one's business but their own. I train 8+ hours a day, so I never feel like I want to spend another hour or two participating in an event that is not worth it to me. Again, everyone's got a different way to play this game, however it seems that only people who do not pay end up bashing those who choose to.[/quote]

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
probelv2

[quote=pokiitia]In this scenario, @wall wins because he's spending money that he won't notice is gone because he can support himself with money to spare.
The ones who aren't, don't save theirselves time. They're saving money, but they're not saving MANY PRECIOUS HOURS OF THEIR LIVES.
Time IS money, but it's money that you won't EVER earn excess of.
Then again, if you have enough time to flame him or call him out on being able to support himself, I guess that spending a couple hours on the game won't hurt.
This is how pay2win games work. Deal with it. You pay money, you save time and get to enjoy the game just the same.
You don't, you spend less time enjoying the game and more time trying to get in line with the other players.[/quote]

Some people like to play this game like an actual game and choose not to p2w because its fun

Heck i'm 16 and make 200k a year and i don't spend money on this game.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
yunioracosta

[quote=wall]@kiirori: in my personal opinion (it's ok for me to have one, just like yourself) those cubes are far from free. 5 meister cubes to me are worth less than 5 red cubes, 5 red cubes is roughly $7 of my native currency. I don't want to get into specifics because I don't feel the need to, but I earn much more than $7 per hour at my job. Here's where a bit of confusion comes in. I had already logged off for the night, and could only take other people's word for the daily goal, which at that point I understood it to be 8 elite bosses, not elite mobs. 8 elite bosses would take roughly 17x longer than 8 elite mobs. I could not ever justify spending all my waking hours in a day hunting down these bosses for essentially less than $7. Now that I know it's only elite mobs, that can easily be done. I summon roughly 20 (or more) elite mobs a day from runes while training, so this can be easily done, and I could see that being worth it.

To address your points:
1. working all day to get less than $7 worth of cubes, is not free in my eyes. (time = money)
2. Miracle time has nothing to do with what I was talking about, and I spent over 800k, so I'll ignore that.
3. I spend money on this game because I choose to, I could reach 2m range (if that is anything important) without paying, but it would take me a much longer time.

I don't care about money at all, I've got enough to not notice a thousand missing if I choose to spend it on maple in one day. I'm not acting all high and mighty, however I am expressing my personal opinion, and that is that I am not able to understand why people would spend an entire day to get 5 meister cubes. [b]However[/b] now that I know it's only elite mobs I can retract what I said, as I was misinformed, and do not think that it would be a waste to do this any longer (can be completed while training, which I do anyways).[/quote]

You guys have to understand that some of us would rather spend $7 on a meal at McDonalds or gasoline instead of maple story. It's not that we are too poor to afford $7 of nx, its that we would rather spend it on something else that is more valuable to us. Maybe you guys are rich enough to blow money at this game but not all of us are. Just the thought of me working an hour just go buy 5 cubes that could possibly not even raise my range is sad, this is why I would rather do these events and put time into the game instead of money.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

@kiirori oh yeah. We obviously spend all of our savings on nx, right?
The issue with your comment is that you're flaming others because of the way they play maple. Hypocritical, no?
Shut up. If you like making achievements through hard work, great. Don't call people out because they've achieved what you've yet to, and more.
Wall said that in a jokingly manner, because who takes this thread seriously? You certainly did, for some idiotic reason.
Nobody gives 2 rats nostrils, not me nor anyone else who plays like us whether you like to spend nx or not.
The problem is that you complain about them playing the game how they like to play it.
Your points contradict your own. Is $6 enough to bring you to the top? Do you still have to do filthy work just to get something you mayve already had?
Hell yeah you do. The only reason I told you to calm down was because you obviously took his comment to heart. It was only the truth, so I have no idea why you peed your pants.
Now to address your little assumption about me being exactly the same as people who fhrow their wallets at nexon and worse because I don't understand the pleasure of achievement.
Excuse me? I've been playing this game for many years. There were times that hard work was definitely a way to beat the game.
But it's different now. There's a fair difference between those that spend thousands, those that spend $20, and those that don't spend at all.
You clearly think I'm in the thousands group. No, honey. In all 8 years of mapling I've spent less than what most have in a month.
I don't know what makes you think that hard work is the only socially acceptable way to play the game, but it's not.
So stop calling people out whenever you see that they don't play the game just like you. I would've disregarded your comment if that wasn't what it seemed like.

You know what, don't even read this. Just read these last few sentences:
Stop trying to soil the achievements of others. You can spend money AND work hard.
Even people of that level in the game understand that, you have no right to try and talk down to them as if they're drug addicts that've gone bankrupt.
I'm out of here because arguing with you kills my brain cells. Hypocrites. Ugh.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
SlyOne

@Kiirori It's like people forget what the word "game," means. I have nothing against those that spend their wallet and dish out whatever amounts of cash on a game. I'd be lying if I said I haven't spent a lot of money on this game but here I am still not at 2m2m even while practically throwing my money at the screen. You could argue I'm just not spending it properly but I could have done that a long time ago if I really wanted to... I don't judge those that spend their money and those that spend their time working to accomplish the goals they want. That's their prerogative, simple as that.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
PanfleSCA

@1manwolfpacc56 where is that map? I've been needing some place to do attendance at that isn't commmerci...

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
yunioracosta

Agreed, there is no reason to complain here people, we are getting 5 cubes. Elites are spawning faster after the recent patch plus runes of darkness spawn 3 elites. 5 cubes dawg! a more reasonable requirement should've been to kill 500 snails.
OT: Why you so lonely bro.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
MasuBhat

@pokiitia

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
-- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

I don't even know why i bothered.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
NoReceipt

[quote=wall]How broke must one be to spend hours in game to get five (5) cubes?

I have 0 time to be doing junk like that.[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of free supplements. It's a waste of time to be playing this game in the first place. That's exactly the point.

You have plenty of time and you choose to spend it in these forums.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Star909

One person makes a comment on how much rediculous amounts of work you have to put in to not pay for this game and the whole forums go crazy

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
1manwolfpacc56

I know it depends on lvl.. but every time I grind at skyline.. there are 3 or for different mobs in map and elite monsters spawn like crazy...I think I had 4 or 5 spawn just durring the 999 day..just saying

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Kiirori

@pokiitia you only addressed 2 categories of maplers thinking i belong to the latter?
im not 2m2m yet but i have spent a fair amount of money after coming back this year. so the whole mindset behind your comment towards me is flawed.

you see issue with your comment is that you think there is objectively a best way to play this game. your whole concept of enjoyment/entertainment is skewed. believe it or not, there are people who enjoy making accomplishments through hard work and putting in time and effort, as opposed to taking a direct shortcut by throwing nexon their wallets. but you only see that as a waste of time don't you?

now, you want to analyze what he said? "How broke must one be to spend hours in game to get five (5) cubes?"
he may not have meant it literally (he'd be stupid if he did), but he said it in a very condescending tone. as if everybody should forgo playing the game and just open their wallets like he does.
if i told you i have $6 that i can spend right now on 5 red cubes, would you believe me? you'd have trouble wouldn't you, because that would contradict half the bullcrap you wrote.

but to give you my honest opinion, it just seems to me that you're giving wall's D a thorough sucking. i think i can understand why, it's cos he's 'winner' at maplestory isn't he? or perhaps that picture of him holding a dozen nx cards turned you on?

you know what, don't even read any of this. akon1659 summed it up in a sentence, and if you can't comprehend this simple logic, then something is wrong with you.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Akon1659

[quote=wall]How broke must one be to spend hours in game to get five (5) cubes?

I have 0 time to be doing junk like that.[/quote]

ayyy because you're so busy and have so many important things to do right? It's not a matter of being broke for a lot of people, It's just a free cube and they have time to spare. Please hop off your high horse.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

@risingvenom: this, coming from you. As if you knew anything about respect. I have never looked down on anybody as you falsely assumed.
I said calm down, in the end, he wins, and you lose. What part of that is looking down on people? It's simply the truth.
Me saying "LOL you bottomfeeders. You have to resort to all of this to get a few cubes. Hahahah trash. Poor people are so sad"
Would probably earn me less flame than what I got.
The hell.
I certainly said that without the intention of hurting your little feelings, but pardon me for not noticing how easily you misinterpret things.
Don't say anything if you're absolutely clueless.

@masubhat sorry for not including the wall of text earlier. I thought you understood the point but apparently not.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
MasuBhat

[quote=risingvenom]@pokiitia LOL why am I included in this essay-of-a-response..? I don't even fall into the same "anti-p2w" category as these other two. I just don't like the way you talk down to people.[/quote]

@pokiitia
"I just don't like the way you talk down to people."
This was the main issue i was having.
And lets be honest, you came off as a major ... Had you included that wall of text before, it would have been a whole other story.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
RisingVenom

@pokiitia: From the looks of it, you don't care much about being respectful to people in any way. So, why bother?

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Repentant

re: time vs money

How about everyone mind their own business and play the game how they like? Some people enjoy paying their way to victory, other people enjoy the slow and steady grind to their goal. What are games for? [b]Enjoyment.[/b] It doesn't matter what you do, in the end as long as you're enjoying whatever you do in-game then it's neither a waste of time or money.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

@risingvenom I don't really care what you don't like, but you tagged me so I tagged you. It's respectful not to ignore people when they ask you for attention

And yeah.. Awkward how long the response came out. Oh well. Just stating my opinion as they did

@repentant
Would've been fine if the people that "enjoy slow progressing to their goals" didn't call anyone out on their personal opinion.
Got flamed by people unwilling to spend money in the game because I pointed out the sad truth. </3

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
RisingVenom

@pokiitia LOL why am I included in this essay-of-a-response..? I don't even fall into the same "anti-p2w" category as these other two. I just don't like the way you talk down to people.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
WowChowMein

tbh it's ez af to summon 10 elite mobs. just be thankful its not an elite boss.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

[quote=kiirori]: by definition this game is pay2win.. except he isn't winning anything, there is no inherent competition in maplestory and i'm not quite sure you understand that (think dota2, LoL, or even any other mmorpgs that actually have PvP).
and stop with the pathetic passive aggressive attempts at annoying me, i'd appreciate it [/quote]
@masubhat
@risingvenom
The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer because of the gap that spending money forms.
Through illegal means, you can make money having invested some money.
And the people that haven't spent any money and have still SORT of gotten along in the game but have gotten addicted,
All they ever turn to, because they want to play to game but are upset that they can't win, is to complain.
Complaining in hopes of Nexon doing something to balance and decrease that gap.

In this scenario, @wall wins because he's spending money that he won't notice is gone because he can support himself with money to spare.
The ones who aren't, don't save theirselves time. They're saving money, but they're not saving MANY PRECIOUS HOURS OF THEIR LIVES.
Time IS money, but it's money that you won't EVER earn excess of.
Then again, if you have enough time to flame him or call him out on being able to support himself, I guess that spending a couple hours on the game won't hurt.
This is how pay2win games work. Deal with it. You pay money, you save time and get to enjoy the game just the same.
You don't, you spend less time enjoying the game and more time trying to get in line with the other players.

Need a bag of ice, @risingvenom?

Edit#1 : "How broke must one be to spend hours in game to get five (5) cubes?" is what @wall stated.
What he's saying isn't that nobody needs cubes.
It's that if you are able to support yourself financially and have a little extra money on the side for your entertainment,
you win. We're not the ones spending hours at our computers for something we already have, and he's simply pointing that out.
In short, he's giving you great advice. Get a job, save yourself time.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
GlobalKorean

[quote=kiirori]@pokiitia: by definition this game is pay2win.. except he isn't winning anything, there is no inherent competition in maplestory and i'm not quite sure you understand that (think dota2, LoL, or even any other mmorpgs that actually has PvP).
and stop with the pathetic passive aggressive attempts at annoying me, i'd appreciate it [/quote]

Dude.
Calm down its just a game

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Kiirori

@pokiitia: by definition this game is pay2win.. except he isn't winning anything, there is no inherent competition in maplestory and i'm not quite sure you understand that (think dota2, LoL, or even any other mmorpgs that actually have PvP).
and stop with the pathetic passive aggressive attempts at annoying me, i'd appreciate it

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
MasuBhat

[quote=kiirori]@wall cant' tell if you're serious but 1. it's free cubes. 2. not everyone has the money or is willing to buy 500k worth of cubes every miracle time. 3. paying to reach 2m2m defeats a fundamental purpose of playing a game so idk why you're acting all high and mighty when you've probably put in less effort than most players in this game.[/quote]

You, my friend raised a very salient point.
What's wrong with you @pokiitia </3

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

@kiirori
huni calm down, it's a pay2win game.
in the end, he wins and you lose anyway

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Kiirori

@wall cant' tell if you're serious but 1. it's free cubes. 2. not everyone has the money or is willing to buy 500k worth of cubes every miracle time. 3. paying to reach 2m2m defeats a fundamental purpose of playing a game so idk why you're acting all high and mighty when you've probably put in less effort than most players in this game.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
FlamyHeavens

be grateful it isn't a eltie boss
god awfulv <3

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Savaah

rune of darkness so shut ur butts stop complaining its not like the worlds ending jesus pls

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
amin45678

I don't know how to play maplestory anymore

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
juubee

[quote=warrior0920]hey i know that afk in a map without hitting an elite BOSS gets u the kill, but what about elite monsters? is it the same?[/quote]
i do not believe so.

And actually, today I was in a map where an elite boss was killed but I didn't get the kill count (for Beefy's Kitchen) so I think it's changed now

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
warrior0920

hey i know that afk in a map without hitting an elite BOSS gets u the kill, but what about elite monsters? is it the same?

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
juubee

@chyeung360: im just going to farm rune of darkness tbh

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
Frozenmane

You can use a darkness rune and get like 3 elite monsters to spawn. It shouldn't take more than half a hour to finish day 3

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
chyeung360

[quote=juubee]isnt it elite monsters? not bosses?[/quote]

Yes, but people will surely still complain lol.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
juubee

isnt it elite monsters? not bosses?

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited
pokiitia

great thinking, sam.
or you could, you know.
Find 4 runes of Darkness with 3 other friends and kill the elites that spawn from those.

Reply August 26, 2015 - edited