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1v1 Dark Impale vs Sacrifice

So now I'm getting into bossing and I was wondering which skill does more dpm? Sacrifice does 690% dmg while ignoring 100% of opponents pdr while Dark Impale hits 135% dmg 5 times (675% total damage) while ignoring 20% pdr. Im not sure about casting speeds and such. Also, which skill is better post-Union (II) update?.

April 5, 2012

15 Comments • Newest first

iVege

[quote=Aura0fDeath]@iVege: never meant that YOU were being unclear, I meant the extraction made me confused.

But if they only showed changes, why would they show the PDR ignore on DI when it remains the same at 20%? (I think)[/quote]

two reasons: because it ignores a percentage of pdr (like potential). sac as a skill itself ignores the fact that pdr even exists.

also it doesn't remain at 20% 8D it increases as the skill levels up. therefore a formula is required and so they decide to pop it in the skill description to tell us how much it ignores each level instead of letting us guess.

but skill descriptions have always been inconsistent as %#$^. there really is no rule to this.

Reply April 7, 2012
Aura0fDeath

@iVege: never meant that YOU were being unclear, I meant the extraction made me confused.

But if they only showed changes, why would they show the PDR ignore on DI when it remains the same at 20%? (I think)

Reply April 7, 2012
iVege

[quote=Aura0fDeath]@darkspawn980: ok thanks for clearing it up ^_^ it wouldn't make sense that they removed sac's PDR, but it just seemed possible.[/quote]

Implying I was being unclear... haha.

What I find silly is that you even questioned Sac's PDR ignore. In the extraction they only show changes, so having Sac's PDR ignore not present there would mean it was not changed, and in the English-translated skill tables Sac's PDR ignore is unmentioned as always other than from the skill description and info.

Reply April 6, 2012
Aura0fDeath

@darkspawn980: ok thanks for clearing it up ^_^ it wouldn't make sense that they removed sac's PDR, but it just seemed possible.

And what do you guys think about Endure and the cooldown buff on revenge? That should help a bit with survivability in boss runs, right? Still not as good as achilles, but i think we *may* be able to tank those 1/1 seduce combo's more effectively 0_o.

Reply April 6, 2012
darkspawn980

[quote=Aura0fDeath]are you saying that there has NEVER been extraction data saying that SAC ignores PDR? or just for this one? sorry, I'm still a bit confused even with your post =/[/quote]

extraction data shows the "abilities" of the skill in a different way, fiel only lists changes to the skill, the only change mentioned was the damage change, and the hit number change.
as for sac ignoring PDR, unlike impale, it's something that is bound to the skill, not part of the skill, impale's ignore grows with each level, sacrifice's ability to ignore PDR is more like a footnote added at the end of the skill, here:

[quote=Southperry]Description: Uses the hidden power of a dragon to deal an attack to one enemy that ignores an enemy's Defense by sacrificing your own HP. Ignores defense on all enemies including bosses. Can only be used when your HP is 20% or above.
Info: type = 1, [b]ignoreTargetPDP = 1[/b]
Final Attack: Spear, Polearm
Animations: effect
Maximum Level: 20[/quote]
that little part i bolded is all that indicates that sacrifice ignores PDR.

Reply April 6, 2012
Aura0fDeath

[quote=iVege]there is no extraction data that says sac ignores pdr except the description and 'ignoreTargetPDP' which[b] IS[/b] found in sp's skill tables and here: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=55207. this and the skill desc just point out that the skill does ignore pdr. also, dark impale's pdr ignore can be located because it increases with the skill level and is so included in the skill level description. sacrifice as a skill ignores pdr.

about the number of hits in sacrifice i'd rather 1 hit, but because of the damage cap that they won't raise for some reason, some would prefer 3 hits over 1 or 2.[/quote]

are you saying that there has NEVER been extraction data saying that SAC ignores PDR? or just for this one? sorry, I'm still a bit confused even with your post =/

Reply April 6, 2012
iVege

[quote=Aura0fDeath]@iVege: thats's only 10% better than 2 X 400%. I still would like 2 X 640 =P

oh, and in the KMST update, sac still retains 100% pdr? I didn't see that...and i can't tell if it should be assumed that there has been no change to that part, or that it has been changed, and the 100% pdr has been removed.

The reason I think the secon conclusion may be true is that for implae, they mention the 20% pdr...unless impale was changed/has a different pdr%[/quote]

there is no extraction data that says sac ignores pdr except the description and 'ignoreTargetPDP' which[b] IS[/b] found in sp's skill tables and here: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=55207. this and the skill desc just point out that the skill does ignore pdr. also, dark impale's pdr ignore can be located because it increases with the skill level and is so included in the skill level description. sacrifice as a skill ignores pdr.

about the number of hits in sacrifice i'd rather 1 hit, but because of the damage cap that they won't raise for some reason, some would prefer 3 hits over 1 or 2.

Reply April 6, 2012
Aura0fDeath

@iVege: thats's only 10% better than 2 X 400%. I still would like 2 X 640 =P

oh, and in the KMST update, sac still retains 100% pdr? I didn't see that...and i can't tell if it should be assumed that there has been no change to that part, or that it has been changed, and the 100% pdr has been removed.

The reason I think the secon conclusion may be true is that for implae, they mention the 20% pdr...unless impale was changed/has a different pdr%

Reply April 6, 2012
iVege

[quote=Aura0fDeath]i wish it were 2x 640% ^_^ keep the same ratios, just double the amount of attacks sac does. that'd pop us up in them DPM charts =P[/quote]

W0000T 270 X 3.

Reply April 6, 2012
Aura0fDeath

[quote=iVege]i would prefer 410% though =3[/quote]

i wish it were 2x 640% ^_^ keep the same ratios, just double the amount of attacks sac does. that'd pop us up in them DPM charts =P

Reply April 5, 2012
iVege

i would prefer 410% though =3

Reply April 5, 2012
SilentXynh

Whoops, 400% it is.
Been looking at too many matrices, my eyes are all square Q_Q

Reply April 5, 2012
darkspawn980

2*400 is sacrifice.

as for which is best after patch, depends on the boss and your total pr ignore, usually when you start capping with sac, impale becomes better (aftr patch)

Reply April 5, 2012
iVege

Sacrifice will only be better than DI after justice because it ignores PDR. @above: I thought it was 2x400%.

Reply April 5, 2012 - edited
SilentXynh

Right now Sacrifice will be your 1v1 bossing skill unless you can consistently hit ~220k (not sure about the numbers, but around there) with per hit of DI.
After the next patch, I'm pretty sure that Sac will still be better unless you hit cap twice with it (It's 2*410% after).
Sacrifice is marginally faster than DI, but not by too much.
I'm not too sure what would happen if you can somehow get very high amounts of PDR ignore without giving up extra damage.

Reply April 5, 2012 - edited