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Benefits of a UA?

So when I first heard about UAs, I thought they were going to get the 20% hp and mp boost etc., but they weren't. That's fine...I guess. Also, when I was training my cygnus, it got a 10% exp bonus each level and I thought it was a glitch because I thought UAs were supposed to get the 10%. IS this a glitch or was I just mistaken?
Is there anything that benefits an UA other than wearing equips 10 Levels earlier or the cygnus skill?

April 13, 2011

27 Comments • Newest first

deadlyzombie

So less HP, less MP, less inventory slots... any more cons?
Because I'm starting to feel like making a regular explorer instead

Reply April 15, 2011
iguy

[quote=awelchywelch]@iguy: the pirate skill does give you all the range and stop people from ksing...?[/quote]
Like I said, this only applies to brawlers, and it doesn't even hit enough monsters for it's range to be worth it.
[quote=alwelchywelch]mage skill helps keep a map held down from being ksed[/quote]
Flame Gears doesn't last long enough, and doesn't do enough damage to even be worth casting, you actually more exp by setting it up instead of just attacking like normal
[quote=alwelchywelch]i didnt say thief skill is better than l7
i meant it could help manage health. did you see the video of the 200 dualblade trying to solo empress cygnus?
with potion cooldown it helps alot[/quote]
Alright look, for lower levels, before you get to 3rd job, it doesn't do enough damage to heal you a sufficient amount, and Sins already have a much better Drain skill in 2nd job. For 3rd job plus, NLs still have their original drain, and Avenger, while Dits have MG and higher base avoid, so they don't really have much HP problems. Vampire is somewhat helpful, but overall, it's pretty useless, and a skill that you'll almost never use except for showing off.
[quote=alwelchywelch]making a ck to 120 is completely relavent to making a ua so i dont know what youre talking about
i mean you might as well make it if you get to 120 as a cygnus >_>[/quote]
OK then, let me just delete my level 140 shad for a free level 50 character, because it's so important to have room for a UA.
[quote=alwelchywelch]how can funding not be put into the equation?
you get free equips
very good equips for unfunded people
even funded people...[/quote]
They don't fit in to the equation because EVERYONE has different levels of funding. The equips may be a waste of time for a lot of people. If you're unfunded, that's a SINGULAR situation. That argument works to my favour too, because I DON'T need the equips. So you can't just outright say that the equips help everyone, because a lot of people have better equips, and the Cygnus Equips just give you less inventory room.
[quote=alwelchywelch]and the medal gives 10 speed 10 jump 2 attack 2 mattack hp 200 mp 200
which is better than most medals
(granted you could have done visitor quests if you wanted >_> but thats about it)[/quote] So what? 2 attack isn't THAT much of an improvement from the all-stat medals. Besides, those can get you closer to wearing your equips if you don't have enough funding, or are statless.
[quote=alwelchywelch]so out of all those reasons i guess its "no real benifits other than starting at level 50"[/quote]
Nope, there isn't.

Reply April 15, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=FingalSmite]Yes I would say Vampire saves more pots than drain (although minimal, enough to justify the creation of a UA Thief... In my opinion) due to its significant damage with critical. Obviously it's less useful on a bandit because they don't have that critical damage...

If you play an Assassin post-bb you don't have the problem of whacking mobs with your claw, but pre-bb vampire's very useful if your surrounded by mobs that you can't
jump attacked at, or even just to knock back mobs so you can get at them with L7.

Ignorant was probably too strong a word, but I think you may have forgotten what's its like playing pre-bb.[/quote]

I think you may have forgotten that UAs don't come pre-bb ;p

Reply April 14, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=FingalSmite]Shows how ignorant you are... vampire is and was never, NEVER used to replace L7, it is merely a nice mob attack for sins and a MASSIVE pot save for both sins and dits.
Do your homework.[/quote]

So, you're saying that Vampire saves MORE pots than a sin's actual Drain? Which, by the way, is actually maxed BEFORE vampire. By the time Vampire reaches it's full damage, you'll be level 90, and have a decent level of Avenger. At level 1-2, during 2nd job, it's practically worthless.
Oh, and by the way, a "nice mob skill" is meant to attack monsters. When your 1v1 gives you more %/hour than a mob attack, it's no longer fit to be called "nice"
I'm just saying as far as usefulness goes, and as far as a reason to make a UA, Vampire just doesn't cut it.
Quit throwing around words like ignorant without fully comprehending the context of the post you're quoting. It's just setting yourself up for irony.

Reply April 14, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=awelchywelch]Pirates get a pretty good skill. And if you make a hermit they're good with vampire.
Cleric with flame wheel...? So many good possibilities with the skills. So it's unfair to say warriors only get the good skill.
And medal and free equips and 24 blessing?
I'm doing it cause I'm unfunded. This will help me a lot.
So it's quite far from "nothing"[/quote]

Let's get your point about skills out of the way first:
Pirate skill is useless for Corsairs, as Flamethrower is better
Pirate skill will become useless for Buccaneers when Chaos comes, because Buster gets a huge boost (although I guess it still gives you the awesome range)

Mage skill is by far the most useless out of the lot

Archer skill provides little to no help, as skills in 2nd and 3rd job outclass it completely

Thief skill doesn't do nearly enough damage to use over L7 for sins, and steal for cbs.

OK, now, A 2 attack medal doesn't instantly make UAs worthwhile. Although it's a buff, it's not going to merit making a new 120 character, just to start all over again.
The 24 attack blessing isn't even relevant. I've already stated that you can easily make a KoC without any need for making a UA. This is a point for KoCs, not a point for UAs.

Funding is relative, and can't be put into the equation. There are many people with high funding, and many with low funding.

So yeah, the only thing that's really appealing is the 50 level boost.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
techboy

asically its just to have had a ua

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
Icephoenix21

[quote=FingalSmite]So basically I should completely forget about making a UA?
Is that what your saying?[/quote]

Do what you want to do. I'm making a ua night lord because thats something my guild lacks, and for fun. It'll require extra work, but I'm up for it.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
techboy

so basically nothing close to being worth the 10 hours ur gonna put into getting those dam peridots. im not putting into calculation the cyg cuz that gives all ur characters +24 atk and thats dam useful

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
ReesaMapler

UAs actually have LESS hp/mp than regular explorers, because they don't get the bonus from doing job adv. Which gets even worse the higher level you get, now that your HP/MP increase by % rather than a fixed number.

Also, the attack boost is irrelevant since anyone with a level 120 Cygnus on the same account can get it.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
tonytony40

Fun fact:
My Dawn Warrior Died while I was reading this thread

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
YTfan

In my opinion the only reason someone should make a UA is if they already have a Cygnus that's 100+

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
darklime

[quote=xXRicecookerXx]Quick question to those with UAs. Once your CK hits lvl 120, do you instantly get to make a UA or do you still have to do a tedious quest?[/quote]

Tedious Quest. >.>

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=Anjz]Nope, only UAs have this skill. The skill you get in your adventurer is the cygnus skill (ex. Sharkwave) and that's it.[/quote]

Explain why 3 of my characters have it then?

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
darklime

[quote=darklime]So when I first heard about UAs, I thought they were going to get the 20% hp and mp boost etc., but they weren't. That's fine...I guess. Also, when I was training my cygnus, it got a 10% exp bonus each level and I thought it was a glitch because I thought UAs were supposed to get the 10%. IS this a glitch or was I just mistaken?
Is there anything that benefits an UA other than wearing equips 10 Levels earlier or the cygnus skill?[/quote]

Edit: Ugh, I just posted an edit and it didn't work. -_- Anyways, basically I said that UAs don't really get anything too special and I'm dissappointed because the 20% Hp and MP and 10% exp gain when leveling up would have been nice to have as a UA. Thanks for your comments and info!

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
EpicMapler

a class that starts at lvl 50 but you need a certain level requirement on another char,
it gets very good equipments and stats,
it gets some good skills aswell...
were i have seen this...

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
Amped

Ultimate Adventurer sounds cool, so I'm making a UA Mage in addition to my UA Palli. Irrelevant, but theres my insight.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
raymond2436

@Anjz no hes right u also get the skill where u can wear weapons 10 above your own

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
treefriends

[quote=Anjz]Nope, only UAs have this skill. The skill you get in your adventurer is the cygnus skill (ex. Sharkwave) and that's it.[/quote]

Nope, everyone can have the skills.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=Iordofdarke]I really want to see some uber godly weapons come out that are level 210. So only level 200 UA's can use it [/quote]

Anyone can get that skill, you know...

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
treefriends

u get a medal and its a way for lazy ppl to get less bored while lvling to 120 as many 3rd jobs r slower than others.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
iguy

[quote=raymond2436]@iguy you sir could not be more wrong. every class starts out at 50. and its not just that you get to wear items 10 lvls above yours you get +24 atk boost from CK some sweet gear and u get a Cygnus knight skill which can help for training[/quote]

I have 2 accounts with level 120 KoCs. You don't need a UA for the boost, so it's not a benefit of a UA.
Most of those characters also have the Empress Might skill. It's not that hard to get. The quest that comes after is impossible, but the Lunar Dew one isn't THAT hard.
The sweet gear is irrelevant to most people, since if you're gonna get a KoC to 120, you should get some nice equips along the way.

The Cygnus skills, as stated in my first post, are almost all entirely useless.

After chaos, Soul Driver will be used very scarcely, and after Jump, it won't be used at all, because all other 3rd job warrior skills out damage it.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
Seongsters

Well, you get Skills, Equips, and the sense of Elitism...
if thats is an Advantage...

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
nickachu06

Starts at lv50
Exclusive medal that gives like 2 weapon / magic attack
Decent starting gear
Able to equip items 10 levels higher than them
1 CK skill

Really, I find UAs worth it if you get a skill you'd probably use even after fourth job. Ie Clerics (Fweeeee, HS, Heal AND a DoT skeeeeell.) and Sairs ( 3 elemental skills, I say lightning is useful to some extent).

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
Amped

24 Attack bonus, a nice set of gear that actually benefits players very much. I used the clean equips and empress set until level 90, than I switched out. VERY Good speed benefit(for warriors, at the least), medal, attack bonus, empress's blessing... It's pretty decent.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
raymond2436

@iguy you sir could not be more wrong. every class starts out at 50. and its not just that you get to wear items 10 lvls above yours you get +24 atk boost from CK some sweet gear and u get a Cygnus knight skill which can help for training

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
iguy

They start at 50.
That's it.
Unless you're a Warrior.
But even that's going to be pretty irrelevant past Chaos/Jump.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited
Shir

I see it as a free lv50, even though you have to make a lv120 first.

Reply April 13, 2011 - edited