Educate Me
Now, I don't want to start a flame war or anything of that sort. I just came across a really offensive website and was in complete awe. Maybe it's because I have thick skin or I'm just naturally prone to emulating my mother's little psychologist attitude, but I wasn't angry or sad after reading so much hate in like, walls of text, I was left wonderstruck. The website is a hatepage against black people and how all blacks love to immerse themselves in "thug-culture" and they're all criminals, etc. (I was searching lyrics of a song on google when it popped up lmao) I don't feel like getting into the details, whatever. But, you know, I just want to know who would really spend time creating a website like this? Like who is this ignorant?
I want honesty, and I also want someone, who may or may not be racist (because you don't have to be racist to understand why someone could be racist), to tell me why you don't like a certain race or ethnicity; like why someone (or you, be honest!) could be Islamophobic or like racist against Asians. Maybe this is the wrong website to have an actual intellectual discussion, but this is the first forum that I thought of kind of asking this kind of question, and I really would like responses.
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Sounds like you've been on what I think you've been on
you know, some issues are really more complicated than what they seem. in this case racism. some people are racist out of plain ignorance of the other culture and use stereotypes to justify their hatred. others however, are racist due to their experience and confrontation with another group of people. for instance, i have noticed that there's a number of WWII veterans of the Pacific Front had an extreme hatred of the either the Japanese soldier or the Japanese in general.
honestly don't ask people on basil
Edit: i've decided to put in my 2 cents.
in regards to that website you mentioned: those are people who belong in the trash and are very very likely white supremist kkk neo nazi people like they are trash. They just have so much hate they try and find other people who hate the same things they hate and they just live off eachother's hate. They like feeling superior to others but really they're just white trash.
In regards to "thug culture" being a part of black culture (yes basilers, thats a thing! and no you cannot try and prove this wrong if you yourself are not black because guess what you're not part of the black community so what do you know), That sort of "thug culture" isn't exclusive to blacks... have you seen whites and asians trying to act cool? iggy azaelea?
lol idk why they think all blacks are criminals, as if white people havent committed any crimes (hey remember slavery and how lynching was a thing?)
Also, if you don't like a certain race for WHATEVER reason, you are indeed racist. End of story.
some guy was probably roasted by his black buddy and came crying to basil
My personal opinion is that the cycle of racism and hatred propagates from just a misunderstanding. One person's experience with a certain CULTURE of people (read: culture isn't necessarily race) maybe negative. He talks to other people about it, maliciously or not. However, there is still a spread if information. What this person chooses to do with the information then can spread a general opinion that wrongly accuses an entire race of emulating this first spread of bad experience.
In short, I think the semantics of what people say is definitely a factor in spreading racism. You may genuinely be not racist, but you've phrased it in an inappropriate way that allows someone else to maybe embrace this misinformation you've spread.
Another factor I imagine is that people want to believe in order and structure. Chaos is an uncomfortable thought. Hence, people like to see trends and raise generalizations. However, some people are suscrptible to logical fallacies that result in the justification for racism and upholding a negative viewpoint for a population group.
[quote=SirKibbleX2]Well, I don't hate any race nor hate on anybody because of their race... but since you asked OP..
Usually, but not always, I think of racist thoughts/terms on any other race (including my own, in fact it is usually near my own or blacks) if I'm mad at the person for being ignorant, violent, and/or arrogant. I don't ever actually say it let alone mean it. The only other reason I would have racist thoughts would be to distance myself from weebs who consider Japan a perfect utopia and my interest in the heck are those Japanese doing with robots instead of getting immigrants (yeah ik, place is expensive). (The stereotype I'm talking about is that Japanese people are racist.) I really have no problem with the Japanese though, I've only met 1 Japanese person in my life and he was a really nice guy.[/quote]
Wait, ahaha, no judgment here, but let me follow. If someone is being ignorant/violent/arrogant, you think of racist thoughts/terms. I know, I know, I just reworded what you said, but it kinda makes it easier for me to read that way. That makes sense. I understand. I remember I told a guy that my mom's British but my dad's Jamaican so I'm a little Jamaican and he went off about how he hates Jamaicans and I'm like whyyy and it was because his uncle got killed by a Jamaican. Mmm. A lot of things are starting to make sense to me. On the hate page some guy posted that black people "soak up all of the tax payers' money" and I was like "Wow!", especially since my mother and father are very hardworking business people. But that guy only said that because heeee is the lazy one and he likes to blame others for their shortcomings! Oh wow. Oh wow. Okay, a lot of things are making sense. Oh wow. Oh! Whenever I hear someone say something ignorant/violent/homophobic I think to myself "Wow, that's stupid; thank the Divine Child of Mother Mary I'm not that stupid. Jeez, I'm so much better than (whatever person said whatever ignorant thing they said)." Which in turns makes my superiority complex worse and makes me even more arrogant, which in turns fuels your anger. Wow it's like a cycle. Oooh, now my question is: where does it all begin?
[quote=fradddd]If blacks don't want people to think they're thugs why do they keep killing each other.[/quote]
Yes, but I've never killed anyone, and neither has anyone in my family tree. Except my grandmother. My sisters and I are pretty sure she didn't give my grandfather his meds and that's how he passed out. But like, yeah. It's not that I don't want anyone to think I'm a thug, I mean, think whatever you want. Like I can't go around telling my white classmates if they've been thinking about touching little girls whenever they pass by a playground like that's just not appropriate. But it's appropriate for my white friends to make jokes about welfare and "Ratchetry" to me knowing that I'm wealthier than they are. Like I just don't understand what sense it makes people stigmatize, which is basically the question I'm asking. I swear, this is totally why I'm developing a superiority complex.
[quote=rockboarder]What I am trying to point out is that there is some "justification" of "thug" culture that exist. There are people of all races that are "tasteful and poised and influential" and there are those of all races that will commit crime. So im not sure what that line is suppose to mean and the female sentence doesn't have a relation to race as in is completely different variable. I don't really understand what " dangerously defining being black" means; any clarification would be appreciated. I hope it doesn't seem as if I am attacking you. I am only trying to pointing out flaws of your perspective.[/quote]
This might get complicated, but I'm sure you'd like an explanation. When you go on Twitter or Instagram or Vine you see a lot of black people. In many cases, it's a lot of urban black individuals who behave in a way that isn't wrong, but it's "ratchet" or "ghetto" because in urbanized locations in the Americas, that's the behavior you see, and in those locations there may be high crime rate and other things that just don't make black people look good. Like, for example, I've seen more than one Vines of guys doing that circle freestyle rap thing and the minute one guy says something that sounds homosexual, they pull a gun on him. Like it's unnecessary. Let me provide you with a real life example that's happened to me:
In our catholic school (we have a uniform), there's a day at the end of the month we have a non-uniform day. I was wearing a platinum studded gold chain necklace that matched with my sweater and a diamond studded floral stretch bracelet. A guy comes up to me and says "Oh, nice chain bro, but take off the bracelets it makes you look gay." Which I proceeded to laugh at him, because I am gay, but I didn't tell him that. I guess that's more in relation to gender, but in drama class, a girl said to me that because of my gold chain, I'm trying to be "gangster" which I then corrected her and said that I was trying to go for urban glam, because no one else is doing that. But I noticed a really wealthy white guy in my class wearing an oversized hoodie from Urban Behavior and baggy pants. And he always dresses like trash, sweat pants and a wife beater, always those oversized shirts and those baseball caps. But no one says anything about him! But the minute I wear a gold chain it's all stares and judgment! Like that's what I mean as dangerously defining being black. Because social media has such a wide range on teenagers of all races they see these black guys enforcing their own stereotypical behavior and they just go along with it and it's really disheartening.
[quote=DrewStars]Mmm, that's vague, but interesting. I just think it's funny that there are so many influential black individuals out there that are very tasteful and poised and influential. It sucks that most of the modern day figures are female. Then there's this whole craze over social media that's dangerously "defining being black". Ugh it's very hard discussing these subjects without getting frustrated a little knowing how the world is. I try not to think about it, as I can do very little to change the world currently. This is where I get my very dangerous dictator thoughts on so I'll stop here lmao.[/quote]
What I am trying to point out is that there is some "justification" of "thug" culture that exist. There are people of all races that are "tasteful and poised and influential" and there are those of all races that will commit crime. So im not sure what that line is suppose to mean and the female sentence doesn't have a relation to race as in is completely different variable. I don't really understand what " dangerously defining being black" means; any clarification would be appreciated. I hope it doesn't seem as if I am attacking you. I am only trying to pointing out flaws of your perspective.
Edit: I don't believes flaws is the right wrong. I think the better phrase would be counter opinion.
Being racist is just based off of how a person was raised/learned. I dont think people are born that way. I feel like they get it ingrained into their heads through personal experience. I myself am somewhat racist because thats how I experienced life. I live in an area where it is mostly Asian, but we do have other people as well. For example, the most widely debated race is black people. With the little exposure I've had to them, all I see are blacks causing trouble and trying to pick fights. I do acknowledge the fact that not all blacks are like that, but its become 2nd nature to assume. If I go to school everyday and bomb my tests consistently, I'm probably going to expect to do the same thing on a future test. Its the same thing with me and my views on every race/ethnicity. If you have consistent good/bad experiences, you're gonna make judgements based off of that. I know I'm probably gonna get flamed by someone here so I'll be back on Basil after this heat is gone. LOL
If blacks don't want people to think they're thugs why do they keep killing each other.
[quote=rockboarder]Well blacks do commit more crime than any other ethnic group regardless of the cause. I could be wrong, but blacks are 50% of the incarcerated population, 15% of america.[/quote]
Mmm, that's vague, but interesting. I just think it's funny that there are so many influential black individuals out there that are very tasteful and poised and influential. It sucks that most of the modern day figures are female. Then there's this whole craze over social media that's dangerously "defining being black". Ugh it's very hard discussing these subjects without getting frustrated a little knowing how the world is. I try not to think about it, as I can do very little to change the world currently. This is where I get my very dangerous dictator thoughts on so I'll stop here lmao.
You can't judge solely on race, but there are definitely patterns. As an Asian myself, I find that many Asians, especially adults, can be a little too prideful/arrogant. Though it could be just the people that I know.
Racist people will be racist. It's kind of "built into" them, as in they group up thinking/learning to hate a certain race. Honestly, everyone is a little racist inside but surely no where near the extent you described. I don't understand extreme racists, but I would think it's because they either stereotype WAAAY too much, or just pick out the negatives about a certain ethnicity and focus on that. Human beings are amazing; they can waste years writing random ship and stay ignorant untill death. I would actually call it narrow-mindedness because even when told otherwise, these people are just unable to accept different views other than their own.
Being a person who is part African American,I don't let words really get to me.I feel the same as you do,and have a thick skin for the most part when it comes down to this.
Well blacks do commit more crime than any other ethnic group regardless of the cause. I could be wrong, but blacks are 50% of the incarcerated population, 15% of america.
Uhm, this sadly isn't anything new. Racism this blatant isn't that hard to come across on the 'net and there's decidedly still whole subcultures dedicated to this hateful vitriol. Hell, it's become popular enough in certain subgenres of music to warrant their own labels (as in, both genre labels and production labels too).