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[quote=Senpqi]Awww boo hoo, little baby is crying cause he doesn't want to help others and instead wants to get mad cause others are. Shut up, you're annoying. Just cause you're a piece of crap who cares only about meso and not helping others doesn't mean you should cry cause others are.[/quote]

Yawn... take a hike mate, this is a forum for discussion and the thread i created was for a discussion. Calling me a piece of crap, you've got some serious anger issues bud, maybe take a break from the internet for awhile to cool off. If you ACTUALLY read anything in this thread where i've replied to people, you'd see i give out plenty of free stuff to friends and guildies. This isn't just about boss drops but a lot of things in general, yet as per usual there's some lunatic who can't have a simple discussion on a forum without hurling abuse.

@Expressnless: Yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's discouraging to see that your efforts are starting to yield less.

Those people's best interest are probably getting more profit than other pros hunting for equips, which in that case, yes, it is necessary for them to drop prices. Or they probably don't value them as much as other sellers and decide to give them away for little to no price, which in that case is not necessary--but they choose to and in the end they're better off that way.

The best option for you is to copy how they get so much drops so you can compete with their output. And pray that someday the demand for RA equips will push the prices back up.

@itoldyounoob: Well thank you, at least you can give me a constructive conversations other than, "if you don't like it get out the market"... Like what sort of crap is that. I opened a thread to create a discussion and people are getting pretty upset over it. I don't mind undercutting to an extent but when its so drastic that it makes the item worthless then what's the point lol. I don't hold onto cra or tyrants to mess with the market price etc, and a lot of stuff i give away for free anyway but would be nice to sell stuff without constantly having to chop and change prices on a daily basis ;/

@Expressnless I'm probably gonna be one of the few that agree with u on this thread. Nevertheless, I can't complain about it.
Undercuttings natural competition, and while it does ruin the market, it's just a consequence of more and more people being able to kill these end game bosses. I know personally in my world a few people that have accts full of CRA, Tyrants, and such. It's not surprising to me if the market suddenly drops.
A lot of people won't be frustrated with undercutting because they're either in a situation where they don't care about boss profits, or they're the ones on the buying end.

What if you're the one who is overpricing stuff?

[quote=xXMCheifXx]didn't know it was such a bad thing for ppl with enough funds to solo every boss in the game to help out the casual folk[/quote]

Check my reply page 3, there's a difference between undercutting for some quick meso and undercutting so drastically that the item becomes worthless. I help out plenty of casual players, especially guild mates who get free cra as they please, that's not the point i was trying to get across.

I think its a great thing that undercuts happen. Barely any new person can actually afford to buy things in the FM. So i believe this actually helps the economy. Plus it reduces the need to use real IRL money to actually get mesos.

@FiendOverlord: No i completely understand your point, my only issue is people that undercut so badly that it's not even worth my time and effort to even do half the cra bosses anymore... If someone underprices it slightly then thats fine but if someone is selling 100-200mil underprice constantly and the sheep follow it gets completely ridiculous... Some of us put a fair amount of effort into actually bossing and learning the mechanics, other people complain that they can't fund themselves but they can.... they're too lazy to do so. Just seems a complete waste of time to even put any effort into doing some of the bosses for profit, like i of course understand people want cheap prices but is it really necessary to drop the price so drastically that the amount of effort put into getting the equips is pointless and a time sap?

Do you get where i'm coming from or am i speaking gibberish ;p

[quote=Expressnless]Has nothing to do with giving away free cra equips... it's just idiotic people undercutting massively for no real reason. And i don't care that 90% can't, the 10% of us that can are still putting the equips low enough for people to actually afford them but we're not undercutting them so bad that it's not even worth killing those bosses anymore for profit.[/quote]
Sorry that more than 10% can afford items nwo

[quote=FiendOverlord]@Expressnless: It's called a natural monopoly. If you can outproduce everyone else in the market, you can get more revenue than your fellow producers who refuse to sell for less and compete with you. Chances are, whoever deflated the value of those items can produce way more than you can, and they're still earning more than you now.

It's contrary to what most whales playing this game believe that they should collectively (and intuitively) decide how much the items only available to them should be worth. Collusion fails when someone decides they're better off on their own.

Sorry if you felt attack. But I hope I'm not putting it too bluntly, the other player(s) is just better at getting more drops than you.[/quote]

economics

I've seen people complain about undercutters who undercut by as low as 100mil. give me a break. some people need the quick meso.
it's how the [b][i]FREE[/i][/b] market (emphasis on FREE) works.
if you think you can only profit from killing bosses, think again. maple isn't all about bossing.

Mostly due to a few select hackers that just hack and let people take stuff for free
Deflation is so rampant, the market is only cheap af crap a snail could buy followed by max meso hundreds of USD equips

@Expressnless: It's called a natural monopoly. If you can outproduce everyone else in the market, you can get more revenue than your fellow producers who refuse to sell for less and compete with you. Chances are, whoever deflated the value of those items can produce way more than you can, and they're still earning more than you now.

It's contrary to what most whales playing this game believe that they should collectively (and intuitively) decide how much the items only available to them should be worth. Collusion fails when someone decides they're better off on their own.

Sorry if you felt attack. But I hope I'm not putting it too bluntly, the other player(s) is just better at getting more drops than you.

Everyone in YMCK should have a week where they sell end-game equips for 1 meso.

This is probably one of the dumbest things to complain about in MS since people aren't doing anything against the rules. Can't take the heat? Then get out of the market.

When I was a hardcore merchant I undercut anything I sold since the items I was selling at the undercut price were still making me a profit. I feel like if I'm going to make a profit off of an item then why not sell it for cheaper and let someone else make a profit or make someone else's day by finding a cheaper than usual item that they're actually going to use. In my opinion, people who complain about undercutting are just greedy.

[quote=Expressnless]New? sorry but no i've been in and out of this game for 9 years thanks i know how the market works. I'm asking a simple question but i guess you're going to give me a typical idiotic answer like you already have done ;/. It's nothing to do with competing since most of us keep up the same prices but there's always some people that completely undercut the market, completely devaluing everything. I guess you don't understand that though.[/quote]

You don't understand what competition means. If I want my items to sell more quickly then someone else's then I need to provide some inventive for people to buy, which in this case is lowering my price. If other people want to compete with me then they'll have to lower their prices as well. The desire to sell is higher than the desire to buy. In other words, supply exceeds demand; the price will continue to drop until equilibrium is reached.

didn't know it was such a bad thing for ppl with enough funds to solo every boss in the game to help out the casual folk

[quote=FiendOverlord]You must be new to the free market economy. If you can't compete with other people's production output, leave the market.[/quote]

New? sorry but no i've been in and out of this game for 9 years thanks i know how the market works. I'm asking a simple question but i guess you're going to give me a typical idiotic answer like you already have done ;/. It's nothing to do with competing since most of us keep up the same prices but there's always some people that completely undercut the market, completely devaluing everything. I guess you don't understand that though.

Yes, let's allow the rich people to make money off the poor. Now that poor people can actually afford stuff, all of Maple world will fall to the black mage.#stoppoorpeoplefrombeingabletobuystuff2014

undercutting should be expected, knowing the definition of a 'free market' on maple.
no one is forcing anyone to invest in this game in order to make profit, so there isn't much to be said.
people can price their items however they want and if other people don't like it, they can quit, do the same thing, or move on and just play the game for what it is.

deflation says hello

[quote=battleox288]I take it this is the person giving away free cra equips. You act like generosity is a bad thing. 90% of maplers probably can't even kill those bosses alone[/quote]

Has nothing to do with giving away free cra equips... it's just idiotic people undercutting massively for no real reason. And i don't care that 90% can't, the 10% of us that can are still putting the equips low enough for people to actually afford them but we're not undercutting them so bad that it's not even worth killing those bosses anymore for profit.

You must be new to the free market economy. If you can't compete with other people's production output, leave the market.

We had an economy?

I take it this is the person giving away free cra equips. You act like generosity is a bad thing. 90% of maplers probably can't even kill those bosses alone

God forbid people afford things now.

i've started giving ra sets for free. mad?

the market was pretty dead to begin with

If you think YMCK is bad, wait until you see BelloNova.

A good chuck of maplers can't fight those bosses so I think it's a good thing.