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World Tree VS Deck 1

are the new world tree training spots better than Deck 1? don't see anyone talking about it so i've just assumed it was bad

August 29, 2016

23 Comments • Newest first

nitsua2789

@lordcrossx: Etc coupons like the 1.5x boxes and CS coupons are in the same category, you can only use 1 of them at a time.

Enjoyable Winters and 2x Buffs from your use inv will also stack.

You can stack:
-2x event
-2x CS coupon or 1.5x ETC coupon (can't stack a 3x CS coupon from marvel)
-2x USE Buff or 1.5x Enjoyable Winter
-1.5x HS (or the Beast Tamer 1.3x from Cat Mode)

And then any additive sources, like the potions, link skills, char card, exp pendant, etc.

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VivaBasura

@pikalachu: i too feel the respawn animation at maze is horrible but somehow it always wins on my tests, i was rather surprised with the results because upper stems feel just perfect my tests are made on stage 10 burning maps and i bring magnificent magnus with me that might make a difference

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LordCrossX

@risingrain:
@nitsua2789:

I guess for either or someone who can elaborate will lucky winters or the 2x cards you click on in your use inventory stack with 2x event and 2x cash shop card? There are also those present boxes that nexon gives sometimes that put like a cash shop like card in your inventory but in etc instead of under cash. Always wondered what does and doesn't stack or substitute for another. I always hated using those buff ones then disconnecting but I hear if you disconnect they don't disappear now? I guess the counter still continues to count down but the buff doesn't go away?

Wait someone just made a thread about this here: http://www.basilmarket.com/exp-stacks-Thread-b5Ked

It actually answered all of my remaining questions.

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nitsua2789

@lordcrossx: 2x event, 2x cs coupon, 2x buff (from either Star Planet or Monster Park Sunday Boxes) and 1.5x HS. 2 x 2 x 2 x 1.5 = 12. Also I use some additive stuff like Spirit Pend, Merc Link, Zero Card, EXP Accumulation Pot and Gold MPE Pot, which adds a total of 0.3 + 0.15 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.75, bringing my final multiplier to 12.75x.

@wall: If you're making a joke about how good Evan's mobbing is, then sure. But I don't (nor have I ever) hacked. I just rotate between Wind Flash and Earth Breath, using Return Breath to cover the top plat.

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pikalachu

@vivabasura: when i did the test a while ago for maze 5 vs deck 1 on my BaM,
deck 1 won by a big margin. and that is because the mobs at maze 5 has a spawning animation which takes too long.
and now that world tree is here, i dont even need to do a test to notice a difference from deck 1 and upper stem.
the mobs spawn is better than deck 1 and the exp is better also. just training there for 30 mins was clearly better than deck 1.

but oh wells i guess we all have our preference.

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RisingVenom

@lordcrossx yeah FMA, you know, Fullmetal alchemist?
jk tho' he means full map attack

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RisingRain

@lordcrossx: 2x event * 2x CS * 2x Star Planet (or any other source of a 2x use EXP coupon) * 1.5x HS = 12x. HS is getting nerfed during V into only increasing EXP gains by 50% (additive, not multiplicative).

At high enough EXP multipliers the marginal gain from SS Zero link / Mercedes link / EXP accumulation potion / any other additive source of EXP is actually fairly small. Of course, the more the better, but don't expect to see much change.

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LordCrossX

@nitsua2789: How do you achieve 12x? I'm only getting like 6b an hour at our level on 4x (2x event + 2x cash shop coupon) with like lv 2 merc link and SS zero card on the upper right stem : 1 shot everything too, capped dmg, move around a ton, etc. I know I'm at a somewhat class disadvantage with mobbing and all but the bats help out a lot with ss. Oh I see you have frenzy totem that explains a lot but how do you get the exp multiplier so high what all do you use, what stacks together?

@wall: FMA?

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Sammi

@nitsua2789: But you also have a Frenzy Totem... *murders you for it*

@vivabasura: You tested with your 220 Battlemage right ?

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nitsua2789

@wall: Road to 250 just got a whole lot shorter

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SlashNStab

Upper Stems (left or right) when I'm solo training, no HS or Kanna. As a DrK their mobility is pretty bad having to jump around a lot. Deck 1 for party training with someone, to me at least. Since finding about Upper stems it's been nice there rather than being at deck 1. It honestly comes down to how mobile you are tbh

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rockywasthere

The best place to train is on train tracks.
(Get it?)

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nitsua2789

Upper stems are the best maps I've ever trained in by far. I get 50-55b experience per hour on 12x.

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Feeling

Upper-right Stem was the best map for me on my Thunder Breaker. The Upper-right and Upper-left Stem maps are both very small with condensed spawn and easy to maneuver. Definitely worth checking out.

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iStalkPeople

@sammi: Never said wasn't doable, just said it was hard xD Personaly haven't tried it since I prefer to use HS simply because I feel like the spawn is above avg in Upper stems.

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Sammi

@istalkpeople: Kish is hard but definitely doable in Upper right/left stem. My friend brought a kish mule and the only thing to look out for is the flying demon bird straight from Hell. :o

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VivaBasura

ive compared upper stems, maze 5 and decks with battle analysis
for me it went maze>stems>decks
im staying at maze but it depends on mobility

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LittleTLK

DWT is better for me according to battle analysis.
I use upper left stem.

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iStalkPeople

The DWT maps aren't exactly better beside the upper stems, but those maps are popular and always crowded even without 2x event. Deck1 is good, but Upper stems are better after you reach lv 222+ (given you got the damage and are able to 1-2shot Upper stem and Deck1). Mobs there are 228-230 and the map is nice and small and compact, as previously mentioned bringing kish mule + HS will be hard but the spawn seems to be better there in general from what I have noticed.

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Ecarina

Higher-up maps in DWT give more exp, are a lot smaller, have good spawn, and have less annoying anti-afking methods. Unfortunately, there aren't many maps that are safe for a Kanna, and the ones that are are also low enough and big enough to be arguably better or possibly worse than Deck 1.

Honestly it mostly comes down to preference.

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Readers

They're still good, can even be as good as Scrapyard (Deck 1 & Maze 5) but it depends. I would look to see which maps are more optimal to you (the Battle Analysis will help).

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