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Do you believe the game has become more fair?

Do you believe the game has changed over the last two years to become more fair and content more accessible for players who play for free?
Have the bosses changed at all to become less impossible without mass funding? or even possible to do in a party of full 200+ players with low funding to completely free players who spend time working on gear without spending a penny?
How much time do you need to put in as a free player to match those who are funded, and is it worth it in your opinions?

November 13, 2014

18 Comments • Newest first

Undexme

[quote=epikkhighh]i'll just say it. first off: cubes are all on luck. sometimes it takes you up to 100 cubes to get what you want, sometimes it takes you 4. master craftsman cubes are low up tier rate, id say 1 in 30 will up the tier. you may get lucky, and it may become epic first cube. happened to me once.

manners. professionalism. i will agree that tickets back then were treated poorly, but as of now, if you have manners, talk to the gm's nicely and professionally, they will help you out with tickets. with the way of how you responded, if i were a gm, and they had to fix two tickets, me and you, i would get first priority.[/quote]
yeah cubes are all luck
but we are talking about fairness and equality in game , not whos lucky , right?
your post and mine is just the same

and i agree with you about the manners too , but my anger is a result of poor handle of my issue
i was as polite as possible when i wrote them , now i jsut compeletly lost any faith i ever had in those guys hence the lack of manners towards them that you judge

Reply November 13, 2014
Undexme

[quote=epikkhighh]i'll just say it. first off: cubes are all on luck. sometimes it takes you up to 100 cubes to get what you want, sometimes it takes you 4. master craftsman cubes are low up tier rate, id say 1 in 30 will up the tier. you may get lucky, and it may become epic first cube. happened to me once.

manners. professionalism. i will agree that tickets back then were treated poorly, but as of now, if you have manners, talk to the gm's nicely and professionally, they will help you out with tickets. with the way of how you responded, if i were a gm, and they had to fix two tickets, me and you, i would get first priority.[/quote]
yeah cubes are all luck
but we are talking about fairness and equality in game , not whos lucky , right?
your post and mine is just the same

and i agree with you about the manners too , but my anger is a result of poor handle of my issue
i was as polite as possible when i wrote them , now i jsut compeletly lost any faith i ever had in those guys hence the lack of manners towards them that you judge

Reply November 13, 2014
Chema

I just wish PQs were as complicated as before, you know, when they were really PARTY quests
Of course give them an exp/item reward boost; seeing people get into a pq just to grind on the monsters there are inside tells you something is really wrong

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
epikkhighh

[quote=Undexme]lol bro im not doing anything wrong believe me i know how to play the game i been playing since like 07

about tickets
i dont see how what you said had anything to do with what i said , but i have a ticket regarding the unfair removal of my tyrants A YEAR AGO
OPEN SINCE 02 OF MARCH and is still WORK IN PROGRESS , last modified in 2nd of april

[/quote]
i'll just say it. first off: cubes are all on luck. sometimes it takes you up to 100 cubes to get what you want, sometimes it takes you 4. master craftsman cubes are low up tier rate, id say 1 in 30 will up the tier. you may get lucky, and it may become epic first cube. happened to me once.

manners. professionalism. i will agree that tickets back then were treated poorly, but as of now, if you have manners, talk to the gm's nicely and professionally, they will help you out with tickets. with the way of how you responded, if i were a gm, and they had to fix two tickets, me and you, i would get first priority.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Undexme

[quote=Doutei]@Undexme:
backcharging if any. There's a ban-appeal after a ticket.

as for your tyrants, all it says is it was enhanced "Legitly".
doesn't mean origin of the cape nor the scrolls used in the past are but neither will nexon argue with you about it now.
seeing how most people got compensated already, and you not being so narrows down your reasons why they didnt do so for you

anyways whining and playing victim all day everyday grinds anyone's nerves, not only nexons.
then acting braggin on basil doesn't make your stories any more digestible zzzz

regarding their response speed for your ticket
chances are
1. the ticket is too far back to even get to, make a new one if you want.
2. info is restricted surrounding deletions or is a pain to dig up and review since the rollbacks.
3. nexon's status surrounding that deletion and compensation are final.
4. you were so annoying that they can't handle you.
In conclusion, the newer the ticket - more recent of an issue, the faster the response.[/quote]

you dont get refunded for the NX that was on the banned account so i dont see where youre trying to go with this

your second paragraph tells me you didnt bother to read what i said , so im gonna go ahead and repeat myself,
but before that i will say to you that you are wrong
i have obtained those tyrants from magnus myself with my guild and enhanced them myself too
i am saying again that i do not demand a refund or a compesation , althuogh i deserve it , but minimum of costumer support should atleast provide me with an answer even if its a negative one.

your third paragraph is jsut immature , i wont even answer for i wasnt bragging or whinning , just participating in a thread on a public forum expressing my opinion
you were the one who chose to qoute me after all

now for your list of guesses
1. duplication of tickets is forbidden and count for spam, i did use the live chat though and i was promised an immediat response , twice , which needless to say never came
2. so basicaly you are saying that they are too lazy to answer me , yeah , that is what i have been saying , i guess you didnt read that part either
3. you segguest they have a final conclusion then , so they should have told me their answer weather it be a yes or a no
4. second immature arguement in one post , nice , i wonder where this is coming from

nothing you can say can justify an unanswered ticket for 9 months

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Doutei

@Undexme:
backcharging if any. There's a ban-appeal after a ticket.

as for your tyrants, all it says is it was enhanced "Legitly".
doesn't mean origin of the cape nor the scrolls used in the past are but neither will nexon argue with you about it now.
seeing how most people got compensated already, and you not being so narrows down your reasons why they didnt do so for you

anyways whining and playing victim all day everyday grinds anyone's nerves, not only nexons.
then acting braggin on basil doesn't make your stories any more digestible zzzz

regarding their response speed for your ticket
chances are
1. the ticket is too far back to even get to, make a new one if you want.
2. info is restricted surrounding deletions or is a pain to dig up and review since the rollbacks.
3. nexon's status surrounding that deletion and compensation are final.
4. you were so annoying that they can't handle you.
In conclusion, the newer the ticket - more recent of an issue, the faster the response.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Undexme

[quote=Doutei]typically cus if u charged NX back then, chances are you'll either have used paypal which leaves an email transaction note- or a credit card unless you've got slapped with suspicious activities.

And for your tickets regarding tyrants, if there was no log of mass guardian scrolls in your nx purchases then they will still assume usage of mass dupes regardless of backstory, or they were illegally obtained before sold to you without you knowing. either one works for nexon and because it was so long ago and tyrants being easily available now, there's no need to compensate you even if it were true.[/quote]
so what if they have credit card or emailpp account?
how does that factor in ones request for a second chance?

about my tyrants its not the point
point is they didnt answer , they didnt acknowledge their mistake neither have they declined me
just left it work in progress for nine months and nothing

if you want to know about my case it was just after the new years anniversary when they removed them
there was a duplication method on public for over 48 hours without nexon doing anything to fix it or contain it if yuo remember
my tyrants werent even 15 then, just 1112 and they were on that stat from way before that time as the SS's i sent them show
( with old event icons and transaction log as you said, for guardian scrolls that were purchased nearly 4 months before the removal date, and an other run 6 months before that )
my case is a 100% justified , but that is not even my point i dont even expect them back anymore

all i wanted was an answer because i deserve it
now , its been since january when i lost my tyrants and i already made 4 new ones and they are all 15 stars
just sucks they dont even find the time to read my ticket

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Doutei

[quote=Undexme]how is the game fair? cuz you can craft cubes? or cuz elite bosses?

i have put myself a project and to never pay NX on my greed pendant , try to get it to % drop with just crafted cubesevent cubesdrop cupes
its still epic for the past few months

when you send a ticket to get an ID unbanned , before youre even asked to provide details they ask if you have ever charged NX on that said ID

its pay2win still and will always be[/quote]
typically cus if u charged NX back then, chances are you'll either have used paypal which leaves an email transaction note- or a credit card unless you've got slapped with suspicious activities.

And for your tickets regarding tyrants, if there was no log of mass guardian scrolls in your nx purchases then they will still assume usage of mass dupes regardless of backstory, or they were illegally obtained before sold to you without you knowing. either one works for nexon and because it was so long ago and tyrants being easily available now, there's no need to compensate you even if it were true.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Undexme

[quote=epikkhighh]you have bad luck, and are doing things wrong.
so far, i have only bought 1 10k card which was for my pet roodee. and charged 5k for a water of live and store permit. i have got 4 equips to unique so far. and 2 epic tier items that are 6% luk x2. ticket wise, all of my tickets have been answered properly or fixed.[/quote]
lol bro im not doing anything wrong believe me i know how to play the game i been playing since like 07
i havent paid a single $ on this game either but i got really far and achieved all my goals too
but its not about can you get far without spending $ , its is this game far

so no , even when im doing all possible weekly bosses ( hard magnus , all of chaos RA and empress TWICE due to reset tickets ) and clearly not any average mapler can do them - i still only get 3 cubes a week AT BEST

for a month , those three cubes multiplied by 4 weeks make 12 cubes and with crown event lets say 15
epic to unique in 15 cubes is a really good rate, so not landing unique within 15 doesnt mean bad luck it just means not enough cubes
so 2 months to tier up 1 month for good stats (unique tier) FOR ONE ITEM - 3 MONTHS
roughly 20 items required ? 60 months ( 6012) meaning 5 whole years to cube your gear to good stat unique without paying NX , and thats in an imaginary maple world when you can kill chaos vellum and hard magnus with 0 gear AND you do them all TWICE a week
so i stand by what i said about this game being far from fair

about tickets
i dont see how what you said had anything to do with what i said , but i have a ticket regarding the unfair removal of my tyrants A YEAR AGO
OPEN SINCE 02 OF MARCH and is still WORK IN PROGRESS , last modified in 2nd of april

i have spent 60k nx on PETS THAT DONT EVEN WORK AS THEY SHOULD , and i got 25k MP in return , they called it a 'refund'

so no , ticketing system isnt working properly but thats a whole other subject
question was is this game fair?
it is not

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
BravePotato

Nexon has changed a lot for the better, even though it's too little too late because a lot of players including paying and non-paying have quit the game.
Most bosses can be defeated by solo or with a party. But hard mode bosses still require lots of funding.
The gap between non-paying (or not-paying-as-much) players and paying players is still fairly big. It takes a lot of dedication for new or non-paying players to catch up to the funded players - months to years depending how often they play.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
betaboi101

Nexon gms actually respond to players now. Their revamped customer service compared to years ago at least seems a lot more reasonable not to mention that they been some what better actually reaching out to players by adding content that people ask for in their forums (a lot of room for improvement but at least they hire people to read their forums now rather than completely ignore their players.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
epikkhighh

[quote=Undexme]how is the game fair? cuz you can craft cubes? or cuz elite bosses?

i have put myself a project and to never pay NX on my greed pendant , try to get it to % drop with just crafted cubesevent cubesdrop cupes
its still epic for the past few months

when you send a ticket to get an ID unbanned , before youre even asked to provide details they ask if you have ever charged NX on that said ID

its pay2win still and will always be[/quote]

you have bad luck, and are doing things wrong.
so far, i have only bought 1 10k card which was for my pet roodee. and charged 5k for a water of live and store permit. i have got 4 equips to unique so far. and 2 epic tier items that are 6% luk x2. ticket wise, all of my tickets have been answered properly or fixed.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Undexme

how is the game fair? cuz you can craft cubes? or cuz elite bosses?

i have put myself a project and to never pay NX on my greed pendant , try to get it to % drop with just crafted cubesevent cubesdrop cupes
its still epic for the past few months

when you send a ticket to get an ID unbanned , before youre even asked to provide details they ask if you have ever charged NX on that said ID

its pay2win still and will always be

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Axnslicer

The game has changed in two years. End game is now farther away, but in exchange the end game bosses of a few years ago are now easily accessible. CZak, CHT, PB, Ark, Hilla, RA and so on are now reasonably balanced for newer players, and can be defeated with relative ease.

If you want to do the strongest bosses though, you need to be ready to either put in thousands of dollars or hours, or resign yourself to being a support class like Bishop/Kanna. Really though, the strongest bosses tend to have "easy" versions which are scaled for unfunded players. CRA has RA, Magnus has Easy Magnus, and Hell Gollux has Easy Gollux. You can enjoy the game just fine by playing against the easy modes with lower range,.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Kazzooey

It will be when Star Force hits I'm so ready to say hello 300-400 W.ATT Lapis/Lazuli!

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
ox0Shad0w0xo

It's more fair then it used to be, but with how screwed up the meso inflation has become as of late, the end game is far from accessible to anyone new and not planning on dumping thousands into the game. I don't even see low end %stat gear as much anymore, it's just clean equips with crap/hidden pot, or super godly legendary fully scrolled items that will cost 10-20b to buy one. There's not much of a middle ground in the market anymore so free players still hit a wall.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
Hydraxide

You can definitely increase your range by abusing events, and working your way up. Eventually you'll be pretty strong but it is going to take years if you're not spending real money.

Reply November 13, 2014 - edited
JJoestar

[quote=HorrorsLove]
How much time do you need to put in as a free player to match those who are funded, and is it worth it in your opinions?[/quote]

Imho this is just imimpossible.
but yeah, nexon gives away more good free stuff than before.
like cubes and protect scroll from events,totems, even a pet (from hilla).
they are surely a pain to get (in most cases),takes time and dedication, but its something I don't mind

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