@HipPop: Well, in my world, for a normal 128att Baselard it is 750m. But most Baselards that i find are more 130 - 132att unscrolled. These baselards are 1.2b, again, I rarely see 128att baselards for 750m, which is the cheapest they go for
[quote=kigga1992]* In scania.... in bera, each book cost about 50m a pop and baselards cost 1.1b.... seriously, Any class can be "OP" with the necessary funding...[/quote]
I really hate when people say that >:O Firstly if someone has that much funding it doesn't mean the class itself is OP, it just means the person is well funded. OP isn't defined on how well funded a class is, it's based on how strong the class itself is. We look at factors such as it's buffs, 1v1 move speed & damage, PDR, damage%, survivability, mobility, etc. If I found a well funded Kanna and compared that to an average funded DB, do you think it'd be fair to say that Kannas are more OP than DBs? And I already explained how cost doesn't make a class less OP in a previous post.
Also your last comment where you showed that video, note that it's KMST (KMS tespia), which means the user most likely has barely any equips except for a clean dagger, Katara and armour.
[quote=abilas26]The very reason why they're so expensive is because they're OP. Xenon's are one of the most expensive classes to fund, but that doesn't make them any less OP does it. When a class is OP, more people tend to make, market prices for that class' gear, books, weapons go up. DBs have a solid 1v1, mobility, freakin' 90% avoid, awesome buffs, a great hyper. Only thing they lack is decent mobbing. Maybe it's just me but I hated using Blade Fury. I still wouldn't go as far as too saying they're OP though. Maybe significantly above average, but not OP.[/quote]
Thank you, was waiting for someone to say this. No one seems to understand that if a class' equips/books are expensive, it's because lots of people want to play that class which then equates to rising prices.
[quote=herojerk]The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place. Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each. Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere[/quote]
The very reason why they're so expensive is because they're OP. Xenon's are one of the most expensive classes to fund, but that doesn't make them any less OP does it. When a class is OP, more people tend to make, market prices for that class' gear, books, weapons go up. DBs have a solid 1v1, mobility, freakin' 90% avoid, awesome buffs, a great hyper. Only thing they lack is decent mobbing. Maybe it's just me but I hated using Blade Fury. I still wouldn't go as far as too saying they're OP though. Maybe significantly above average, but not OP.
[quote=LastHeavenly]did you forget that each orb stacks damage %?[/quote]
the TS was saying having a low range means you arn't OP. Heroes orbs and such are all multipliers so they don't show in your range (although technically ALL % total damage is a multiplier, its just calculated differently depending on the skill) some do appear on your range (crossover chain) some don't (final cut, combo orbs, etc) its actually MORE overpowered to have them NOT appear on your range for reasons I won't get into unless someone specifically asks because it takes some math to explain =P
[quote=herojerk]The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place. Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each. Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere[/quote]
Baselards are 200m in Scania, the only expensive mastery books are Slash Storm and Flying Assaulter
So if you have final cut applied to your range, damage would still be the same but you guys would be considered op If it doesn't apply to your range, damage would still be the same but it's completely irrelevant as it doesn't show in your range Oh....your logic
The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place. Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each. Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere
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@HipPop: Well, in my world, for a normal 128att Baselard it is 750m. But most Baselards that i find are more 130 - 132att unscrolled. These baselards are 1.2b, again, I rarely see 128att baselards for 750m, which is the cheapest they go for
[quote=kigga1992]* In scania.... in bera, each book cost about 50m a pop and baselards cost 1.1b.... seriously, Any class can be "OP" with the necessary funding...[/quote]
I really hate when people say that >:O
Firstly if someone has that much funding it doesn't mean the class itself is OP, it just means the person is well funded. OP isn't defined on how well funded a class is, it's based on how strong the class itself is. We look at factors such as it's buffs, 1v1 move speed & damage, PDR, damage%, survivability, mobility, etc. If I found a well funded Kanna and compared that to an average funded DB, do you think it'd be fair to say that Kannas are more OP than DBs? And I already explained how cost doesn't make a class less OP in a previous post.
Also your last comment where you showed that video, note that it's KMST (KMS tespia), which means the user most likely has barely any equips except for a clean dagger, Katara and armour.
hitting 1m+ damage at 160k range? that's nice!
....I'd still be hitting 200k's
How to get attention from a thread: Talk about dbs
[quote=abilas26]The very reason why they're so expensive is because they're OP. Xenon's are one of the most expensive classes to fund, but that doesn't make them any less OP does it.
When a class is OP, more people tend to make, market prices for that class' gear, books, weapons go up. DBs have a solid 1v1, mobility, freakin' 90% avoid, awesome buffs, a great hyper. Only thing they lack is decent mobbing. Maybe it's just me but I hated using Blade Fury. I still wouldn't go as far as too saying they're OP though. Maybe significantly above average, but not OP.[/quote]
Thank you, was waiting for someone to say this. No one seems to understand that if a class' equips/books are expensive, it's because lots of people want to play that class which then equates to rising prices.
[quote=herojerk]The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place.
Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each.
Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere[/quote]
The very reason why they're so expensive is because they're OP. Xenon's are one of the most expensive classes to fund, but that doesn't make them any less OP does it.
When a class is OP, more people tend to make, market prices for that class' gear, books, weapons go up. DBs have a solid 1v1, mobility, freakin' 90% avoid, awesome buffs, a great hyper. Only thing they lack is decent mobbing. Maybe it's just me but I hated using Blade Fury. I still wouldn't go as far as too saying they're OP though. Maybe significantly above average, but not OP.
As a DB myself.......they are OP, got to agree with the haters
I wanted to see how much flame i would get
[quote=LastHeavenly]did you forget that each orb stacks damage %?[/quote]
the TS was saying having a low range means you arn't OP. Heroes orbs and such are all multipliers so they don't show in your range (although technically ALL % total damage is a multiplier, its just calculated differently depending on the skill) some do appear on your range (crossover chain) some don't (final cut, combo orbs, etc)
its actually MORE overpowered to have them NOT appear on your range for reasons I won't get into unless someone specifically asks because it takes some math to explain =P
@LastHeavenly:
They don't add on to range.
TS is talking about range.
[quote=thedicer]Heros only have 30 attack in buffs [/quote]
did you forget that each orb stacks damage %?
@thedicer
u have enrage and combo
[quote=LarBear]Nowadays people measure how strong someone is by their range and DBs realistically only have +60 Atk worth of buffs[/quote]
Heros only have 30 attack in buffs
@herojerk
baselards are only around 500m now
[quote=herojerk]The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place.
Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each.
Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere[/quote]
Baselards are 200m in Scania, the only expensive mastery books are Slash Storm and Flying Assaulter
Nowadays people measure how strong someone is by their range and DBs realistically only have +60 Atk worth of buffs
So if you have final cut applied to your range, damage would still be the same but you guys would be considered op
If it doesn't apply to your range, damage would still be the same but it's completely irrelevant as it doesn't show in your range
Oh....your logic
The reason they arent OP IMO, Is because of the money you need to spend to make them any good compared to others in the first place.
Its +200m in Mastery books (In bera) Just to advance to 4th job to just having to buy 2 other main skills which are 100 - 150m each.
Since Luk/Daggers/Katara's are also EXTREMELY Expensive (Clean Baselard is 1.2b WTFF?) You need lots of funding to get anywhere