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Rip Tower of Oz?

As some of you may know, simple mini map mode is crucial for oz.
Okay I lied, Oz is still doable without mini map mode, but it'll just be more annoying and hectic, especially floor 48F. Was it intended in this patch that they remove the simple mini map mode? Or perhaps I missed it, because they changed the system option UI.

October 20, 2016

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natty2

I can use Genesis to see platforms, too...

Reply October 20, 2016
lemasnatorme

@shreytastic: Mm didn't even think of that.
Besides pure memorization, I can't really think of any other ways besides the overlay that I mentioned earlier

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Shreytastic

@lemasnatorme: ! not just that, but I could probably use lightning to mark the platforms LOL. Thanks for this awesome suggestion

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lemasnatorme

@shreytastic: I don't really have a way of testing it, but do your Alpha's Wind Cutter fall off the platforms? Should make it a lot easier if that's the case. Not 100% sure.

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Shreytastic

RIP simple mode mini map this definitely makes 48f wayyyyyy harder than before. Does anyone from EMS/KMS have any insights as to how to start learning 48f all over again?

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GekkeGerrit

@lemasnatorme: Thanks for sharing miss. I guess my range is just to low. Is there any difference in the Tower of Oz between Reboot and Normal worlds ?

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lemasnatorme

@gekkegerrit: Keep in mind, in KMS they don't have all of the Tower of Oz/Kiritas rewards in Cash Shop/Marvel Machine like GMS does.
Without this content - no one would have Ryude's Swords, all of the Oz rings, Tyrant gloves, etc.
Also the reward can be worth it. I used to be ~600k range buffed, and I funded myself to around 1.6m range clean through just selling Tower of Oz items (when they actually sold for a fair bit). It's mostly RNG, but personally even without the rewards, I still enjoy running Tower, finding little tricks to increase speed, seeing how fast you can go, etc.

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GekkeGerrit

@gekkegerrit: Kritias is also pretty boring. But maybe i am missing something there too ? Both belonging to the category "content that could have left out"

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lemasnatorme

@rachelll: Yeah, even cheesemochi had a video (though I'm not able to find the link anymore) of an "overlay", where he'd position an image of the 48f simple minimap over the normal one, and looked at the gaps, haha. Also if you're a class like Kaiser, I/L, BW, you can just use your Wingbeat/Frozen Orb/Blazing Extinction.

@lutrace: Maybe when Nexon unbans me ;(

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GekkeGerrit

The tower of Oz, i never got further then like one platform. Is it a combination of skill and ramge ? I never play it becuase i dotn get it. Is the Tower interesting EXP and REWARD wise ?

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Lutrace

@lemasnatorme: I believe that you can still clear Dorothy without the mini map

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Rachelll

There's a bunch of techniques the koreans figured out back when we were still racing for 1st dorothy clear so it shouldn't be too bad. There was one where you would use your pet to figure out where the gaps were or something

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KrylonEMS

To be fair it felt like cheating to me. Also it's still doable since KMS and EMS players cleared it without the simple map.

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MisterPANG

Yeah, 48F is going to be tough without the mini map..

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SadVirgin

Kinda bummed as I just started getting into Oz but have inherently bad JQ skills beyond redemption even with visible platforms.

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DZakien

Yup.
http://imgur.com/a/86pvR

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xmaplelegend

this is what happens when GMS just copies KMS code without changing the differences GMS has. I'm sure it was a bug because if it was intentional, they should of stated it out.

Plus if they are concern about people cheating Floor 48, just remove the mini map for that floor just like what they did for floor 22.

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Friedonions

@lemasnatorme: I can agree GMS was pretty lucky being able to use mini-map, but now without it this surely will demoralize players who've been trying to clear the tower to get it over with.
Whining too much or not, it's really unfair in my opinion to those who never managed to get past 48f.

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DZakien

Meh I'll complain as I see fit since we were ghost nerfed but eventually will have to get over it and clear Oz the 'natural' way.
Bummed out about reaching 50F twice with 26min+ each time yet still failing, this just makes me have to do hours worth of work to practice a single floor [48F] instead of getting to practice the fight with Dorothy.

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lemasnatorme

Yeah I'm pretty bummed about this - even though I barely run Oz anymore, the Normal minimap is honestly so ugly.
I think people are whining too much about how it affects Oz though. The content was literally designed to be played without that, and we're pretty lucky to even have had it for Oz in the first place.
But I really hope they bring back Simple Mode map, as they're pretty much cutting out a large portion of their playerbase's preference by doing this.

Also I didn't SS the whole chat, but I got confirmation from a GM that it was intended. http://i.imgur.com/1a2JkUA.png

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nitsua2789

@misterpang: Mini map mode doesn't save much time, just makes it less likely to lose your run on 48. Wound in Bera did a full solo run without any Kishin or Frenzy last patch and had 30 mins going into Dorothy, so it's definitely do-able without, you just have to be really ideal for most of the tower (and have really op mobbing).

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MisterPANG

@nitsua2789: If this is also the case for KMS players, how do they reach 50F without mini map mode, kanna and frenzy, yet they have so much time?

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nitsua2789

Someone live-chatted a GM and the GM said it was intentional but I put in a bug report anyways. If it was intended then R.I.P. ever clearing again, 48 gonna be sooooooooooooo hard.

http://forums.maplestory.nexon.net/discussion/comment/6796#Comment_6796

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