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My shield is up for sale if anyone is interested. Mostly looking for a 27 m.att equivalent. [url=http://imgur.com/iRChpPl][img]http://i.imgur.com/iRChpPl.jpg[/img][/url]

Dang, this thread has proven much useful. Ok, since everyone is helping one another, do you guys think it is wise to fund a Zero or a hayato with the upcoming changes. I love both classes, dont get me wrong, but the new hayato revamp coming up makes me both happy and sad, new skills and, well, other skills that aren't so good and fresh. With Zero, the nerf coming dosent really bother me since I love the class regardless, but in terms of funding, I have my end game gear already. This includes a tyrant cape, RA set without zero scroll,(too expensive), nova shoes, unique zero wep, alien fragment set 3 piece, reinforced gollux set 3 piece, boss hunter emblem and R.E.D pocket item, pdr slyph ring with zero gratias ring.
Now, all of these items except for my zero wep have not been cubed. Would it be wise to fund my Zero over my hayato for the future? Sorry if the post was long btw lol.

@mvietp09 lolol np, people hijacked your thread

@ksilsu: How much do you hit on Cvel? Hopefully sometime this month I'll be finishing my ra hat and 2 boss nebs(next things I'm working on), and then I'll be testing my damage on Cvel. Hopefully after that we can duo if your damage is decent. If not, we could always duo some cra or hmag. I can currently solo cvb, haven't tried Pierre nor queen, but I think queen might be annoying due to the bad mobbing of a hero in combination with mirror. Pierre is probably solo able for me in terms of dps. I used to Pierre twice a week with a friend, so I might be able to solo, but it's been a while so my control might be bad. I'll probably be looking for a duo partner until my control is back up to par, so I'll definitely contact you. Buddy me for sure, CrypticThei

@stevenman76:

if you're ever up to duo any boss lmk! Didn't realize you were in broa

@emplex: you do not know how much I appreciate that you actually responded to the original post. Thank you so much! (Look at all the off topic responses above yours lol)

@mvietp09
These are Scanian autowin prices, similar to Beran unless there are dupes I'm unaware of.
SW gear: ?
Shield: Hell if I know..
Cape: 10b
Shoes: 14b
Scarlet Ring: 13b
Reinforced Ring: 3b (would be more if it was still fully tradeable)
Second cape: 800m
Superior Belt: 300m
Hyades Belt: 9b
Cane: ? 100m?
Terminus Whip Blade: Price of terminus whip blade - cost of innocencing
Fafnir Wand: 3b - cost of innocencing
RA top: 3b
RA bottom: 2.8b
RA hat: 2.5b
Fafnir Xbow: Owl it, add 60m to the lowest price

@ksilsu: Yup, I'm going to try it later and see if I can cap on my hyper with it, but I doubt it. Hopefully I can do at least half its hp, which Is somewhere between 400-550

@stevenman76:

That mirror will wreck any Hero because of enrage

[quote=stevenman76]@dwagonslay: I never said its impossible, nor difficult, to dodge these attacks. But trying to dodge them does lower your dps while you could just be sitting there holding down a key with autohp for a pally.

Not to steal this thread but
Btw, I noticed you're able to solo cra. Currently I'm able to solo cvb and probably pierre + queen(Havent tried soloing those two yet). I was wondering if you could give me some suggestions on:
-About how much per line it took you to start being able to solo cvel?
-Whats your status resistance? I'm at 75%, and I've found myself dying to cvb often from stun + feather. I've started using abnormal status resistance pots to get to 105%, which have definitely done the trick, but do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks![/quote]
As a Hero, dodging is a must, and as a result, DPS is decreased. However, I still have decently fast clear times, e.g. Chaos Vellum in 10 minutes.
My point was that being able to dodge so well as a Hero is equivalent to how a Paladin is able to just tank attacks.
It takes some effort, and of course it isn't the case for everyone, but that doesn't mean such a case doesn't exist

To be able to solo Chaos Vellum with decent time to spare (i.e. 2-5 minutes remaining) normally requires cap on each line after applying Panic.
Going with what I mentioned earlier about dodging well, I can hit 30m a line and still clear with a few minutes to spare.
Having 100% status resistance is definitely useful at the other 3 CRA bosses, except the Queen's mirror (550m HP), but with that info you can determine the amount of hits you need to clear it.
Good luck!

@ksilsu: Thanks! I started using them, and I was able to solo cvb today(105% status resistance lol). Gonna try Cqueen tonight, but I don't think mirror is stopped by %abnormal status

I'm probably in the same boat as you in terms of range and goals, but with a much lower status resist (like 50?) right now.
I've seen a lot of hero vids and they pretty much all use Resist pots. I would plan on either buying them (if you dgaf) or mass producing them yourself because you'll pretty much always use it for end game bosses. Plus it's nice because if you die it's still there

[quote=stevenman76]@dwagonslay: I never said its impossible, nor difficult, to dodge these attacks. But trying to dodge them does lower your dps while you could just be sitting there holding down a key with autohp for a pally.

Not to steal this thread but
Btw, I noticed you're able to solo cra. Currently I'm able to solo cvb and probably pierre + queen(Havent tried soloing those two yet). I was wondering if you could give me some suggestions on:
-About how much per line it took you to start being able to solo cvel?
-Whats your status resistance? I'm at 75%, and I've found myself dying to cvb often from stun + feather. I've started using abnormal status resistance pots to get to 105%, which have definitely done the trick, but do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks![/quote]

@dwagonslay: I never said its impossible, nor difficult, to dodge these attacks. But trying to dodge them does lower your dps while you could just be sitting there holding down a key with autohp for a pally.

Not to steal this thread but
Btw, I noticed you're able to solo cra. Currently I'm able to solo cvb and probably pierre + queen(Havent tried soloing those two yet). I was wondering if you could give me some suggestions on:
-About how much per line it took you to start being able to solo cvel?
-Whats your status resistance? I'm at 75%, and I've found myself dying to cvb often from stun + feather. I've started using abnormal status resistance pots to get to 105%, which have definitely done the trick, but do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks!

[quote=stevenman76]Paladins are still tanky in %hp bosses, tankier than other classes at the least. Between shield mastery, Achilles, and Divine Shield, I was surviving much more as a pally than I could as a hero.
Some 1 hits that I survived as a pally but not as a hero include:
-All of CVb's attacks (1hit)
-Cqueens hits (Including 1hit fire breath)
-Cvel tails (1hit)
-Cvel body hits (1hit)
-Cvel Fireball iirc (1hit)
-Emp Non-full map gene (1hit)
-Gollux attacks

Not to mention that your hyper + Threaten prove to be extremely useful, and that you have a built-in heal which is incredibly useful in magnus and emp.

Tanks weren't designed to be high dps, infact usually they're one of the lowest DPSes in rpg games. Paladins shouldn't have been in the top 10, and needed to lose their ele resist ignore(This comes from a past paladin main).

I mean obviously play what you like, but I'm just saying that paladins aren't as bad as you think, and you might think a little differently once you main a new class lol[/quote]
As a Hero myself, I (and other Heroes) can easily avoid all of those one-hit KO attacks you've listed; it isn't that difficult!
I agree that Paladins are great at tanking HP%-based attacks, but would you consider being able to dodge those attacks with ease just as effective? Just wondering!
It requires some effort, I know, but I personally prefer actively dodging attacks

[quote=lordanubis]luminous still have it for sure.
OT: nice gears, i would do nasty things for that shield too xD[/quote]

Nasty things amounting to how many mesos?

Still looking for a response to my original thread lol.

[quote=stevenman76]Paladins are still tanky in %hp bosses, tankier than other classes at the least. Between shield mastery, Achilles, and Divine Shield, I was surviving much more as a pally than I could as a hero.
Some 1 hits that I survived as a pally but not as a hero include:
-All of CVb's attacks (1hit)
-Cqueens hits (Including 1hit fire breath)
-Cvel tails (1hit)
-Cvel body hits (1hit)
-Cvel Fireball iirc (1hit)
-Emp Non-full map gene (1hit)
-Gollux attacks

Not to mention that your hyper + Threaten prove to be extremely useful, and that you have a built-in heal which is incredibly useful in magnus and emp.

Tanks weren't designed to be high dps, infact usually they're one of the lowest DPSes in rpg games. Paladins shouldn't have been in the top 10, and needed to lose their ele resist ignore(This comes from a past paladin main).

I mean obviously play what you like, but I'm just saying that paladins aren't as bad as you think, and you might think a little differently once you main a new class lol[/quote]

mihiles are worlds tankier and more useful than pallies with upcoming revamp
instead of even taking reduced damage they take 0 dmg from all those listed skills
fix pallies nexon pls

[quote=mvietp09]@stevenman76: yeah it seems only mages will have it in the future, bw still has 100% and 10% for party and Evan still has 100%. Luminous is the only one that does not have it I believe.[/quote]
luminous still have it for sure.
OT: nice gears, i would do nasty things for that shield too xD

@stevenman76: yeah it seems only mages will have it in the future, bw still has 100% and 10% for party and Evan still has 100%. Luminous is the only one that does not have it I believe.

@mvietp09: I think its because nexons trying to rid the game of elemental resistance ignore all around. Its pretty OP for the classes that have it. I expect this because in KMS, they removed it from all cygnus knights and pallies. I believe the only classes that still have it are F/ps and I/Ls

[quote=stevenman76]Paladins are still tanky in %hp bosses, tankier than other classes at the least. Between shield mastery, Achilles, and Divine Shield, I was surviving much more as a pally than I could as a hero.
Some 1 hits that I survived as a pally but not as a hero include:
-All of CVb's attacks (1hit)
-Cqueens hits (Including 1hit fire breath)
-Cvel tails (1hit)
-Cvel body hits (1hit)
-Cvel Fireball iirc (1hit)
-Emp Non-full map gene (1hit)
-Gollux attacks

Not to mention that your hyper + Threaten prove to be extremely useful, and that you have a built-in heal which is incredibly useful in magnus and emp.

Tanks weren't designed to be high dps, infact usually they're one of the lowest DPSes in rpg games. Paladins shouldn't have been in the top 10, and needed to lose their ele resist ignore(This comes from a past paladin main).

I mean obviously play what you like, but I'm just saying that paladins aren't as bad as you think, and you might think a little differently once you main a new class lol[/quote]

To be fair, Paladins kinda have been left in the dirt. Just look at what they did to us with Blast; we spend 5~ seconds charging up elements, casting Blast buff, and spending another 5 seconds again for elements that were consumed. I don't mind the elemental/physical ignore thing, I was on an "extended break" during that period of time. Our support skills are great and all, but what good is that if most bosses only require 1 person nowadays? We can't aggro a boss purposely and tank hits all day, so that kinda defeats the purpose of tanking for a team. Lotus, for example, just does AoE attacks.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Paladin; I have for the last 8+ years. But when I see other classes at my range/boss/pdr hitting 3x more than what I hit, it lowkey discourages me.

Still L> a Paladin representative. *cough* rorik
^Artasi you better see this.

[quote=stevenman76]Paladins are still tanky in %hp bosses, tankier than other classes at the least. Between shield mastery, Achilles, and Divine Shield, I was surviving much more as a pally than I could as a hero.
Some 1 hits that I survived as a pally but not as a hero include:
-All of CVb's attacks (1hit)
-Cqueens hits (Including 1hit fire breath)
-Cvel tails (1hit)
-Cvel body hits (1hit)
-Cvel Fireball iirc (1hit)
-Emp Non-full map gene (1hit)
-Gollux attacks

Not to mention that your hyper + Threaten prove to be extremely useful, and that you have a built-in heal which is incredibly useful in magnus and emp.

Tanks weren't designed to be high dps, infact usually they're one of the lowest DPSes in rpg games. Paladins shouldn't have been in the top 10, and needed to lose their ele resist ignore(This comes from a past paladin main).

I mean obviously play what you like, but I'm just saying that paladins aren't as bad as you think, and you might think a little differently once you main a new class lol[/quote]

Yeah I've been a pally main for too long I think though. The class is losing its shine. The animations are all out of date for swords and it really bothers me. I don't mind losing chunks of damage, but I just really dislike that void element got completely changed to a damage buff. It's sole purpose was to make our charge attacks useable against elemental resistant bosses. Sounds kinda crazy, but I honestly think a better change for pally damage would have been decrease blast lines by 3-5 and then leave void element alone. At least this way being an elemental warrior still kinda makes sense. But to give us elemental attacks, then say your elemental attacks are useless against bosses is kinda silly.

Anyhow, I like how on topic all these comments are lols. Mine included.

[quote=mvietp09]@iheroyuri: In a sense I suppose. It's more like the class got dull and since I'm stuck using a sword cause of se transposing (bw animation is 10x cooler), I've decided to move onto some class that is more aesthetically pleasing or interesting. Nexon seems to really not understand that a defensive class is pointless if all the bosses deal %HP damage, and then they go and nerf our damage to the ground. Another thing with pally is they are a huge party player and considering all my guildies/friends seem to have quit maple, it's about time I move on to a class that is more of a solo class. No point in having ressurect, combat orders, parashock guard, and threaten if you have nobody to support with it.[/quote]

Paladins are still tanky in %hp bosses, tankier than other classes at the least. Between shield mastery, Achilles, and Divine Shield, I was surviving much more as a pally than I could as a hero.
Some 1 hits that I survived as a pally but not as a hero include:
-All of CVb's attacks (1hit)
-Cqueens hits (Including 1hit fire breath)
-Cvel tails (1hit)
-Cvel body hits (1hit)
-Cvel Fireball iirc (1hit)
-Emp Non-full map gene (1hit)
-Gollux attacks

Not to mention that your hyper + Threaten prove to be extremely useful, and that you have a built-in heal which is incredibly useful in magnus and emp.

Tanks weren't designed to be high dps, infact usually they're one of the lowest DPSes in rpg games. Paladins shouldn't have been in the top 10, and needed to lose their ele resist ignore(This comes from a past paladin main).

I mean obviously play what you like, but I'm just saying that paladins aren't as bad as you think, and you might think a little differently once you main a new class lol

[quote=smartguy1801]iheroyuri where did you obtain that blue flame sword? That looks vicious! on the side note, the OP also has some sweet gear, but being as though I'm not rich nor in your world, its hard to digest.[/quote]

It's also available at the world tour ninja castle or whatever it's called I think. It's either that or I'm thinking of flame katana.

[quote=chrisjohnson]I'd do dirty stuff for that shield.[/quote]

ill do dirty stuff to you

@iheroyuri thanks a lot, now I can finally initiate project blue Exorcist

@smartguy1801 http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-item-Crystal-Blade-3533.html

As alot of old players are coming back as icy agents, they've been selling stuff, I got this from someone for 10m and then anviled it onto my faf

iheroyuri where did you obtain that blue flame sword? That looks vicious! on the side note, the OP also has some sweet gear, but being as though I'm not rich nor in your world, its hard to digest.

@mvietp09: I understand, play what you like!

I'd do dirty stuff for that shield.

@iheroyuri: In a sense I suppose. It's more like the class got dull and since I'm stuck using a sword cause of se transposing (bw animation is 10x cooler), I've decided to move onto some class that is more aesthetically pleasing or interesting. Nexon seems to really not understand that a defensive class is pointless if all the bosses deal %HP damage, and then they go and nerf our damage to the ground. Another thing with pally is they are a huge party player and considering all my guildies/friends seem to have quit maple, it's about time I move on to a class that is more of a solo class. No point in having ressurect, combat orders, parashock guard, and threaten if you have nobody to support with it.

A brave Paladin was lost (?)