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[quote=AntiSenpai]Cause he low level, if he was correct class/high level/high range it'd prolly be a few hundred thousand to his range.. i want that equip...[/quote]

Wrong, It's because he already has 2m~2m range. and taking this off only just drops him below that.

@MeerCats: http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-36__max_mp_ring-Items-Screen-227235.html GG

@MeerCats: its possible... tho we have higher chances to get 12/9/9 or 12/12/9 then 12/12/12

originally thos chances only came with the enlightened cubes
possible with black cubes that allow one to select potential but it takes like 10x more cubes to get and is alot rarer to get

yay TMS people pride... (?

[quote=Cystom]Sir, the argument was never about the average player - we are talking about 200 attack overalls after all! Furthermore, what leads you to believe that these OP equips can be obtained with pure dedication? You do know that in order to get both the earring and the overall, you need to go through an arduous process of upgrading the basic forms of the earring/overall using items you can only obtain from the gachapon right? [/quote] machine
Our sup hearts, inkerers chests, etc come from MARVEL, takes 5$ vs 1$ for gach, and it comes in LIMITED SUPPLY.
[quote=cystom]They upgrade at a very low rate, and it's possible for you to downgrade your item as well. It's not a matter of dedication, it's all about how much money you put in, hence why only the [b]MOST[/b] funded players are able to get these items. It is definitely about being funded IRL as well - that I can assure you.[/quote]

if they games gonna be p2w, it might as well NOT require you to HAVE the gear before you even START. I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND 500M ON "clean" (weaksauce) GEAR, [I]THEN[/I] PAY 100$ ON SCROLLING, [I]THEN[/I] PAY 100$ ON CUBING, much better the gear have base stats that take 100$ to obtain, then all you REALLY have to work on is cubes, bc its good ENOUGH without scrolls.

I want to choose between ppaying for godly base stats + cubes, or having to pay for scrolls +cubes. its bad enough that potential is so xpensive, but scrolling is excessive

[quote=cystom]I do apologise for my mistake about %all stat nebs and Xenons, forgive me for that.[/quote] is cool a lot of ppl make this mistake, but forgive me, im uncontrollably hotheaded atm
and am abrasive without meaning to be
[quote=cystom]Also, I was simply doing a comparison of %IED sources - there's no doubt that GMS players are able to get more %IED from non-weapon sources in GMS. Even if the %IED from the dragon suit makes up for the codex, GMS still has the %IED from the CRA set, whereas we do not. And that's not including nebs.[/quote] k, but what about 5 atk armor/accessory scrolls? it makes the extra slots on faf irrelevant when they cant be put to good use. it makes the loss of stars on tyrant less impressive, and once star force comes out and makes tyrants easy (but not cheap) 15 stars for both of us, it will EASILY make up the difference in power so that you can replace weapon potential lines with pdr to make up THAT defficit

[quote=cystom]Anyway look - all I'm trying to [b]show[/b] is that when you're looking at the [b]extremes[/b] of things, TMS is not that much more broken than GMS is. If we were arguing about whether TMS or GMS is more broken for the "average unfunded player" (since you seem to be raising a point to do with the scarcity of nebs), then these OP equips would not even be in question.[/quote]
What about an equip that DOUBLES THE CAP is not more broken than gms is. People rreach their full potential with only half a set of perf gear here, they are CAPABLE of capping. Whn talking absolutes, all the power we HAVE goes to waste! some classes could hit 200m absolute if it wasn't for the cap, but this armor makes it so that you need not reach your limit when your gear's only half way to perfection.

@uarmo Not true about being rich in real life.If I dedicated every single day of my life on MapleStory for the past 3-4 years. I prob would have had lots of close to perfect gear items right now. I easily made 20b starting with 2b in 3 weeks back in 2010. This amount could probably be multipled by like 100x if I played everyday for the past 3-4years. Maplestory is about dedication to be honest. Anyone can be doing 50m damage if they dedicated more than 2 years of their life in playing maplestory like its their livelihood. Lots of people started with nothing and got to their 50m dmg because of their dedication and not because they are rich in real life. It also doesn't take a genius to merchant and make money in MapleStory also.

[quote=juarmo]The problem is, one needs to be rich irl to be funded in gms, but one only needs to be DEDICATED to be funded in TMS. Just because its the main perk doesn't mean one has to be strong enough to actually EXPLOIT said perk to AFFORD said item.

[quote=]Also, believe it or not, it is actually [b]better for funded players to use the gollux set[/b] as opposed to the 100 attack earring in TMS (I am a funded TMS player). You can scroll the earring to around 50 attack, which leaves players choosing between the ~50 (75 if scrolled) attack and the 30% IED and Boss. Funded players will choose the latter, simply because in TMS there are fewer sources of %IED - we do not have the codex, nor do we have %IED nebs. The earring isn't as great as it seems.[/qupte]
Which is why WE over here in the STATES cube our boss arena EMBLEMS for %IED if we can't afford nebs/etc.

390 attack is a hell of a lot of attack - when you compare it to TMS where the majority of players are using the Black Tinkerer's set, which GMS has as well. Also, with a funded player, nebs can easily provide over 50% stat - this becomes even more significant with Xenons.

You seem to think nebulites grow on tree's over here. Newsflash: They don't! You'd need to be VERY. VERY funded before it becomes cost efficient to go for nebulites, so funded in fact, that you'd probably already be capping WITHOUT THEM! Which is why, a majority of players don't USE 4% all stats nebulites. they're an even BIGGER joke than wasting no-boom ee's on getting a CRA top/bottom past 12 stars!

Why pay 2b+ for 4% stat? Also, %stat does NOT get more significant with xenon! 15% is STILL 15% regardless of whether its 15% of 300 or 15% of 900! Sure, tyrant gives 3x as much main stat, but 15% of 1900 is still 15% just as 15% of 1300 is still 15%. 15% all stat on a xenon w/ 500k range and 60% all stats is the same as 15% str on a warrior with 500k range and 60% str, 165+ all stats is different, 15% all stats is the SAME!

EDIT: AND you ignore the fact that this ARMOR'S 30% IED makes UP FOR THE LACK OF LEAFRE CODEX SET! (partially, you MAY lose ~9% from no CRA top/bot, but that's still 21% IN MAKING UP FOR IT!)
EDIT: does anyone else notice that TMS ALSO has 5 atk ARMOR scrolls? We're lucky to get that much from CHAOS scrolls!

PS: doesn't this armor remind ANYONE ELSE of the armor the Former Kaiser used in the tutorial?[/quote]

Sir, the argument was never about the average player - we are talking about 200 attack overalls after all! Furthermore, what leads you to believe that these OP equips can be obtained with pure dedication? You do know that in order to get both the earring and the overall, you need to go through an arduous process of upgrading the basic forms of the earring/overall using items you can only obtain from the gachapon right? They upgrade at a very low rate, and it's possible for you to downgrade your item as well. It's not a matter of dedication, it's all about how much money you put in, hence why only the [b]MOST[/b] funded players are able to get these items. It is definitely about being funded IRL as well - that I can assure you.

I do apologise for my mistake about %all stat nebs and Xenons, forgive me for that.

Also, I was simply doing a comparison of %IED sources - there's no doubt that GMS players are able to get more %IED from non-weapon sources in GMS. Even if the %IED from the dragon suit makes up for the codex, GMS still has the %IED from the CRA set, whereas we do not. And that's not including nebs.

Anyway look - all I'm trying to [b]show[/b] is that when you're looking at the [b]extremes[/b] of things, TMS is not that much more broken than GMS is. If we were arguing about whether TMS or GMS is more broken for the "average unfunded player" (since you seem to be raising a point to do with the scarcity of nebs), then these OP equips would not even be in question.

[quote=Cystom]Thanks for your reply - you have to consider the fact that when you equip this dragon suit, you immediately lose the first and second CRA bonuses, meaning that there isn't an overall change in %Boss. Furthermore, the fact that there is a top and a bottom in the CRA set, which have more scrolling slots than the suit (added together), makes the difference even smaller (of course, it is still apparent). Along with that, it would be foolish to assume that everyone has a dragon suit in TMS - as it is with 15 star tyrants in GMS, only the [b]most[/b] funded players are able to afford one - after all, the main perk is that the damage cap is raised to 100 mil.[/quote]

The problem is, one needs to be rich irl to be funded in gms, but one only needs to be DEDICATED to be funded in TMS. Just because its the main perk doesn't mean one has to be strong enough to actually EXPLOIT said perk to AFFORD said item.

[quote=]Also, believe it or not, it is actually [b]better for funded players to use the gollux set[/b] as opposed to the 100 attack earring in TMS (I am a funded TMS player). You can scroll the earring to around 50 attack, which leaves players choosing between the ~50 (75 if scrolled) attack and the 30% IED and Boss. Funded players will choose the latter, simply because in TMS there are fewer sources of %IED - we do not have the codex, nor do we have %IED nebs. The earring isn't as great as it seems.[/qupte]
Which is why WE over here in the STATES cube our boss arena EMBLEMS for %IED if we can't afford nebs/etc.

390 attack is a hell of a lot of attack - when you compare it to TMS where the majority of players are using the Black Tinkerer's set, which GMS has as well. Also, with a funded player, nebs can easily provide over 50% stat - this becomes even more significant with Xenons.[/quote]

You seem to think nebulites grow on tree's over here. Newsflash: They don't! You'd need to be VERY. VERY funded before it becomes cost efficient to go for nebulites, so funded in fact, that you'd probably already be capping WITHOUT THEM! Which is why, a majority of players don't USE 4% all stats nebulites. they're an even BIGGER joke than wasting no-boom ee's on getting a CRA top/bottom past 12 stars!

Why pay 2b+ for 4% stat? Also, %stat does NOT get more significant with xenon! 15% is STILL 15% regardless of whether its 15% of 300 or 15% of 900! Sure, tyrant gives 3x as much main stat, but 15% of 1900 is still 15% just as 15% of 1300 is still 15%. 15% all stat on a xenon w/ 500k range and 60% all stats is the same as 15% str on a warrior with 500k range and 60% str, 165+ all stats is different, 15% all stats is the SAME!

EDIT: AND you ignore the fact that this ARMOR'S 30% IED makes UP FOR THE LACK OF LEAFRE CODEX SET! (partially, you MAY lose ~9% from no CRA top/bot, but that's still 21% IN MAKING UP FOR IT!)
EDIT: does anyone else notice that TMS ALSO has 5 atk ARMOR scrolls? We're lucky to get that much from CHAOS scrolls!

PS: doesn't this armor remind ANYONE ELSE of the armor the Former Kaiser used in the tutorial?

[quote=betaboi101]@Cystom:
Tyrant equips with 15 stars add ~180ish attack. 7 Star tyrants add ~50ish att. That's 390 att. You also have to consider that the majority of players don't have all 15 star tyrants as the nx to make them is extremely costly. Most "funded" players seem to have 10 star tyrants. No booms are also rare to come by and cost ridiculous amounts per scroll.

That overall adds 200 att clean. I can only imagine that if one is in game, it must be the overall that the majority of other players opt to use as well. It is better than the fully scrolled gollux set and a 15 star tyrant equip. Most players in GMS don't even have 15 star tyrants. People are lucky to have 10 star tyrants. There are 100 attack clean earrings. Those earrings beat any accessory equip that GMS has seen even with our set effects. Nebs add a measly 4% all stats at best (the majority of players don't even have the broken ones either). At best, the boss ones add an additional 50% boss (if you use 2 25% boss nebs on your weapon and secondary). I'd trade boss nebs any day given how easy % boss is to achieve in exchange for 200+ attack clean equips. TMS equips make every GMS equip look like crap.

Also that armor has 30% additional boss on it. No non weapon in GMS adds % boss unless you get the full set. That overall CLEAN alone bests four pieces (the two superior pendants, ring, and earrings fully scrolled with their set bonus) of our golllux set.[/quote]

Thanks for your reply - you have to consider the fact that when you equip this dragon suit, you immediately lose the first and second CRA bonuses, meaning that there isn't an overall change in %Boss. Furthermore, the fact that there is a top and a bottom in the CRA set, which have more scrolling slots than the suit (added together), makes the difference even smaller (of course, it is still apparent). Along with that, it would be foolish to assume that everyone has a dragon suit in TMS - as it is with 15 star tyrants in GMS, only the [b]most[/b] funded players are able to afford one - after all, the main perk is that the damage cap is raised to 100 mil.

Also, believe it or not, it is actually [b]better for funded players to use the gollux set[/b] as opposed to the 100 attack earring in TMS (I am a funded TMS player). You can scroll the earring to around 50 attack, which leaves players choosing between the ~50 (75 if scrolled) attack and the 30% IED and Boss. Funded players will choose the latter, simply because in TMS there are fewer sources of %IED - we do not have the codex, nor do we have %IED nebs. The earring isn't as great as it seems.

390 attack is a hell of a lot of attack - when you compare it to TMS where the majority of players are using the Black Tinkerer's set, which GMS has as well. Also, with a funded player, nebs can easily provide over 50% stat - this becomes even more significant with Xenons.

[quote=Kazzooey]It just raises the cap to 100m. It doesn't make you hit 100m lol[/quote]

much sad

@Cystom:

Gollux equips scrolled add 37-46 att each. With the superior set thats 160 attack given all gollux items are fully scrolled with the set effect. TMS has 100 att earings when clean.

Tyrant equips with 15 stars add ~180ish attack. 7 Star tyrants add ~50ish att. That's 390 att. You also have to consider that the majority of players don't have all 15 star tyrants as the nx to make them is extremely costly. Most "funded" players seem to have 10 star tyrants. No booms are also rare to come by and cost ridiculous amounts per scroll.

That overall adds 200 att clean. I can only imagine that if one is in game, it must be the overall that the majority of other players opt to use as well. It is better than the fully scrolled gollux set and a 15 star tyrant equip. Most players in GMS don't even have 15 star tyrants. People are lucky to have 10 star tyrants. There are 100 attack clean earrings. Those earrings beat any accessory equip that GMS has seen even with our set effects. Nebs add a measly 4% all stats at best (the majority of players don't even have the broken ones either). At best, the boss ones add an additional 50% boss (if you use 2 25% boss nebs on your weapon and secondary). I'd trade boss nebs any day given how easy % boss is to achieve in exchange for 200+ attack clean equips. TMS equips make every GMS equip look like crap.

Also that armor has 30% additional boss on it. No non weapon in GMS adds % boss unless you get the full set. That overall CLEAN alone bests four pieces (the two superior pendants, ring, and earrings fully scrolled with their set bonus) of our golllux set.

[quote=betaboi101]Attack is like accuracy in TMS. So many of their equips add hundreds of attack clean. You basically don't even need to worry about attack stuff out there since everything has so much of it o.o[/quote]

This isn't as true as it seems - though we have quite a lot of TMS-only items that do add a lot of attack, they can be trumped by items that are available in GMS (e.g. the gollux set). Furthermore, you have to consider that:

1. TMS does not have no-boom AEEs, meaning that [b]all tyrants are still stuck at a maximum of 7 stars[/b].
2. TMS does not have nebs, meaning we lose out on a potential 50% boss attack from the two weapons, along with a [b]ton[/b] of %stat.

Add these two factors together and you have quite a big difference. Of course this doesn't change the fact that we do have a lot of broken items, it's just that the difference between GMS and TMS is not as bad as most GMS players think.

those equips are like a xenons dream.

And Its PSoKable, Makes SW seem even more worthless and not worthwhile to get.

Godly.

TMS is broken

[url=http://media3.giphy.com/media/e3C4pNKkr9rji/giphy.gif]and it's [b]all class[/b] [/url]

[quote=DiuMeHarder]o cool so now i dont need much funding, just get crit % and this armor and i cap. GG EASY[/quote]

It just raises the cap to 100m. It doesn't make you hit 100m lol

[quote=infinteZero]thats so not perfect.... potential perfect would be 3 lines of 13%=39% luk
when empress was big i seen a few people wit perfect empress potential 3 lines of 12% 36% main stat empress
and yes that cost a arm and leg to get[/quote]

Since when could the first line be the same as the last two?
Pretty sure it was 12% 9% 9% , not 12% x3

o cool so now i dont need much funding, just get crit % and this armor and i cap. GG EASY

[quote=FlamyHeavens]Why is it that TMS always have perfect potentials on equips o.o
That triple line of luck how much money did it cost[/quote]

thats so not perfect.... potential perfect would be 3 lines of 13%=39% luk
when empress was big i seen a few people wit perfect empress potential 3 lines of 12% 36% main stat empress
and yes that cost a arm and leg to get

Attack is like accuracy in TMS. So many of their equips add hundreds of attack clean. You basically don't even need to worry about attack stuff out there since everything has so much of it o.o

TMS should be the fastest in terms of beating Dorothy.~

[quote=VietUA]The funny thing is it only raises his range by 2.4k [/quote]

Cause he low level, if he was correct class/high level/high range it'd prolly be a few hundred thousand to his range.. i want that equip...

The funny thing is it only raises his range by 2.4k

Why is it that TMS always have perfect potentials on equips o.o
That triple line of luck how much money did it cost

[url=http://i.imgur.com/klNmd6p.jpg]Dragon Slayer?[/url]
And now that the armor has come to this.... Time to qui- nope.
I approve