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Waltzing posted this on the official forums:

To prevent possible confusion down the line, here's some more info related to the GMS version of RED, as it stands at the moment:

The KMS Kritias update content is under review. Since there were problems with some of it in KMS, we want to see what should be left out or changed. This includes:
-No Bamon's League, at least for the foreseeable future. It has a lot of good ideas behind it, but like many players in services where it was released, we found the implementation to be pretty immediately unsatisfying and not engaging.
-No Hekaton until its technical issues and lag are investigated more thoroughly and development is done to reduce them. Many KMS players complained about the lag, and we know this is already an issue many of you experience with various content.
-The Kritias dungeon (minus Hekaton) is being looked at in regard to how well it works and how much of opening the area makes sense without its final boss being accessible.
-There are some good rewards in the Kritias content. [b]We'd like to make the content available so you can get the rewards, but we want to try to make sure that the rewards aren't the only thing worthwhile about content.[/b] < I laughed so hard at this.

Guys, we be spending monays for the Tyrant gloves and PVP (I actually meant Inverse set, sorry for the confusion). #RED Marvel Machine 2013

source: [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1026816%26p%3D8695300%26viewfull%3D1%23post8695300]http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1026816%26p%3D8695300%26viewfull%3D1%23post8695300[/url]

*EDIT* Because too many people are complaining that I'm complaining, I'd just like to say that I'm not This thread was merely to alert people of content (such as PVP) that will not be coming to GMS in RED, and alert people to the fact that MOST PROBABLY, if you want the aforementioned rewards, we'll probably have to spend NX. It's just the GMS way. It's fair to say that there is not a lot of content offered for non-explorer characters, so it would have been nice to have PVP (1 vs 100) to pass the time...

*EDIT* And on another totally unrelated note, I totally forgot about Christmas events. Those always make me happy at least

November 22, 2013

32 Comments • Newest first

bubblecup118

[quote=Reunite]People like you just never run out of things to complain about huh?[/quote]

This is true. Some of us don't play for the rewards. Some of us like to play for the storyline and how the content all goes together.

No Bamon League = Good, that thing was a piece of trash anyway. It is so boring
No Hekaton for now = That is fine, way too laggy by what I seen and is not implemented/coded correctly
Kritias being looked at = it is good they are trying to modify it, so the storyline makes sense

So tell me @Reunite , why is our RED a joke? We are also getting great stuff no other version [b]including KMS[/b] has as of yet

1. Level 160 equips = KMS doesn't have this
2. Dawnveil: Commerci = KMS doesn't have this too

Maybe you are meant to say, KMS Delight part is a joke.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
twopointonefour

After that fiasco called Unleashed and the many players who actively protested changes that happened anyway, I don't have much faith in RED.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Aeon128

@chudi lol no people don't hate her in that sense, we just don't like all the negativity. Secondly they were like 3-4 people who disagreed with that the TS said before that guy said anything about hate. We all know nexon releases buggy stuff quite often but here they are saying up front " hey guys we know it will be a cluster F**K" so instead of putting it in and adding lots of extra patch size and downtime we'll just try to fix it first before we release it". I don't see how that's a bad thing, they are acknowledging their failures, lol wth is wrong with you people. Learn to forgive and see the bright side mang, you'll live longer.

As @GunPowder said, this is a fan site not a hate site, take all the negativity somewhere else.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
oBec

@Nonbasic: I'm slightly confused because I don't think you quoted properly, but you are correct in saying that most of what I said is speculation and presumption. But I'm also pretty sure I said in my edit that this would be PRESUMABLY what would happen. I never said I was stating the facts. Also sorry, I was slightly misguided about the PVP aspect, in my mind, Hekaton, Kritias and PVP is all linked together. I can see I've offended you, so I hope we won't run into much conflict on the forum from this point on. Again, apologies.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
oBec

[quote=Reunite]People like you just never run out of things to complain about huh?[/quote]

If I was complaining, I would be bashing Nexon and quitting the game in a rage. I prefer to think of this as stating the obvious...?

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
vslayer57

[quote=GunPowder]I hate people like you TS... No one can ever please you.
When Nexon releases new bugged content, you're upset. When Nexon delays new content so it wouldn't disappoint, you're upset.

Grow up.[/quote]

That's not true I'm pretty sure you can "please" her, just take her to your "place" and the "issues" should go away within "1 to 2 business days."

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
LitheMovement

[quote=Biccy15754]And as I stated, I believe that GMS' way of introducing content, is to put all that content into the Cash Shop. Teapots, philosopers books, marvel machine for example.
Plus, if anything out of the whole patch, Zero will be the most "buggy" content. (Did I hear someone say Unscheduled maintenance?) I don't know if you've been around for many character release days, but they rarely go over smoothly. Heck, Kaiser shut down the game for a whole 24 hours. And, if you check the bug list, they're STILL working on bugs from the Tempest classes, Sengoku classes, etc.
All I'm saying in this comment is, there's not much to offer for players who play non-explorer classes, and PVP would have been a good way to draw them in. Bugs or lag be damned, it hasn't stopped them before. Gollux's labyrinth for example is still so laggy that some players can't even complete the quest. I just don't want to see people having their dreams crushed, thinking RED is going to be a really great patch, when it might just be average[/quote]

I think the rest of the content should satisfy most people, although you're right about those bugs. People tend to forget the bugs that always come with every patch and that will lead to inevitable disappointment, at least I'd bet on it.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
chudi

Okay... So one guy posted that the TS should be hated and now everyone hates her? She's right, anyone who knows nexon track record of actually fixing things should know that all you consistant NX buyers will fork over another couple of 100's of dollars to help keep a dieing game on life support for items that should be free. Using lag as an excuse isn't predictable seeing as how nexon releases some form of broken content with every patch. If i had to guess even without all of this, we will still have massive server checks and exploits during the first week followed by unanswered nexon tickets, because they are "fixing hekaton". If nexon is telling us that hekaton and kritas aren't coming with red, start setting your calenders for 2015, because even if kms manages to fix it by tomorrow once people start buying nx for the items, nexon will throw it on the back shelf and move along.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
AckarRed

[quote=infinteZero]well he has some points but didint Bamon's League have unique familiars one could get....?
i know it had the one unique monster (already in monster books)

and i can understand laaag issues i mean its already a issue alot areas maps have odd laaag spikes[/quote]

KMS never had Familiars.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
oBec

[quote=Ness]I believe I can speak for most of us in saying that we'd rather have a maplestory without more buggy, lag-inducing content.

Hell, they even said they were trying to find a way to introduce the content that wouldn't screw everyone over.[/quote]

And as I stated, I believe that GMS' way of introducing content, is to put all that content into the Cash Shop. Teapots, philosopers books, marvel machine for example.
Plus, if anything out of the whole patch, Zero will be the most "buggy" content. (Did I hear someone say Unscheduled maintenance?) I don't know if you've been around for many character release days, but they rarely go over smoothly. Heck, Kaiser shut down the game for a whole 24 hours. And, if you check the bug list, they're STILL working on bugs from the Tempest classes, Sengoku classes, etc.
All I'm saying in this comment is, there's not much to offer for players who play non-explorer classes, and PVP would have been a good way to draw them in. Bugs or lag be damned, it hasn't stopped them before. Gollux's labyrinth for example is still so laggy that some players can't even complete the quest. I just don't want to see people having their dreams crushed, thinking RED is going to be a really great patch, when it might just be average

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
abi232

I disagree... mainly because Nexon can't afford to mess this up.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
infinteZero

well he has some points but didint Bamon's League have unique familiars one could get....?
i know it had the one unique monster (already in monster books)

and i can understand laaag issues i mean its already a issue alot areas maps have odd laaag spikes

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
GunPowder

@Biccy15754:
Well, "hate" might have been an exaggeration, you're right. For that, I apologize.
I'm just really sick about how Basilmarket turned from a fansite to a hatesite. This place should attract new players, not throw them off.

I'm just glad Waltzing said they're working on that content, so people won't think we're not getting it at all.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
oBec

@DegenerationX It makes me scared that you have complete faith in Nexon. I don't want them to crush your dreams

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Ness

[quote=Biccy15754]It's a little disappointing is all, to see that we won't get to enjoy much extra content aside from an explorer revamp and Zero. I was always a PVP enthusiast, and I'm a bit sad that it's STILL going to remain closed after all this time.[/quote]

I believe I can speak for most of us in saying that we'd rather have a maplestory without more buggy, lag-inducing content.

Hell, they even said they were trying to find a way to introduce the content that wouldn't screw everyone over.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
oBec

[quote=GunPowder]I hate people like you TS... No one can ever please you.
When Nexon releases new bugged content, you're upset. When Nexon delays new content so it wouldn't disappoint, you're upset.

Grow up.[/quote]

"Hate" is a strong word

And btw, I wasn't upset when Nexon broke Sengoku High, I'm not upset here. I'm simply stating how typical of Nexon it would be if they presumably put the content that SHOULD be obtainable in game, into another cash shop fraud scheme. It's like Unleashed all over again.

It's a little disappointing is all, to see that we won't get to enjoy much extra content aside from an explorer revamp and Zero. I was always a PVP enthusiast, and I'm a bit sad that it's STILL going to remain closed after all this time.

I will however admit that I did come across as a bit conceited in my title saying "Red is a joke", but that was mainly so I could lure people in and spark debate, as well as alert people to the content that is NOT coming to GMS, if they were at all interested, and for the misleadingness of the thread, I apologize.

If you read through a few of my other forum posts, you'll see I'm not quite the nagger that everyone is accusing me of being in this thread.

And in answer to your last statement, the day I grow up is the day I stop playing Maplestory

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
HolyBloodly

Our RED is going to be ridiculously awesome, k? I don't care about the bugs or the glitches that are bound to happen! This is like Big Bang all over again for me. Long as the class revamps go over without a hitch, I'll be one happy mapler.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Gregorius

[*]I don't care about Bamon's League, really... I mean, no wonder it's not engaging; as one guy above alluded to, would you rather "face off with Pigs and Slimes in a turn-based battle simulator", or would you rather get pit floating ghost swords and psychotic-looking psychic cats against dragons made of goo and bird luchadors in Pokemon X/Y?
[*]No Hekaton? No problem! I mean, there's no way I or any normal player is going to be able to take on a boss that requires a hundred people to be on at the same time until a very late, almost end-game portion of the content. So what if I don't get the boss content immediately? Am I gonna take a Zero I've leveled twice and try to kill it? No! And if the rewards for just beating the boss are crappy, then why should 99% of the population of the game care since that's the only thing they do half the time?
[*]Okay, no Kritias is kind of a big deal because... I mean, come on, that's Zero's home world until Level 180... as in they don't get experience in the 'real world' before then. If we don't get Kritias, odds are good that we don't get Zero for a while yet, and that's what's all the hype's about in RED--a tag-teaming sword-swinging time-warping warrior.
[*]...why are you laughing? No, seriously, is all you care about the items? "Screw game content, I just want the good stuff they give me for free!"

I don't know about you, but I'd rather play a functional game with only a few bells and whistles rather than a beautified game that crashes every ten minutes. Though I'll say one thing that caught my eye: "[i]Many KMS players complained about the lag, [b]and we know this is already an issue many of you experience with various content.[/b][/i]" Could this mean that the developers are actually looking into reducing things like town lag for the coming of RED?

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Kazzooey

Not quite the reaction you expected was it?

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Magseven

Well. It looks like you're alone on this one

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
elpanaj8

u complain bout this but u should e thankful about they thinking of this lag issues since many of the current events incluiding RLH are bug glitched plus the constant lag in many areas incluiding laberynt -.-"

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Sungoon

[quote=GunPowder]I hate people like you TS... No one can ever please you.
When Nexon releases new bugged content, you're upset. When Nexon delays new content so it wouldn't disappoint, you're upset.

Grow up.[/quote]

I completely agree with you. Some of the most special parts of this game are the art, music, quests, and gameplay. I would rather wait for great additions to these than some measly reward.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Rianael

So. Do we lose our change to get Pottable Emblems? Or is it another patch.

If not. I am not cool with that. Totally not cool! lol.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
GlitterPumas

Lets have content we can't kill.. lol TS

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Scyth14

Nag nag nag nag

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
GetDefensive

They're trying to deal with the problems that KMS had to deal with before we even get it... I don't see why you're complaining.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
DegenerationX

That's actually helping the game. I didn't even like Bamon's league, and Hekaton was laggy as crap...

To be honest, I have complete faith in Nexon to make RED awesome. They don't wanna mess this up because this is the patch that brings old people back.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
SoCalKing

As long as we still get the +8 wep/magic attack scrolls from the coin shop I ain't complaining.
Everything else will be fun to explore and try out.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
GunPowder

I hate people like you TS... No one can ever please you.
When Nexon releases new bugged content, you're upset. When Nexon delays new content so it wouldn't disappoint, you're upset.

Grow up.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

I don't get why you laughed. If I can get rewards and have fun or etc, I would gladly accept them taking thier tim.

I am confused what's negative about all of this.

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
SombraManx

No Bamon's League? IDK, thats just a bad copy of pokemon, pokemon is better, get out

No Hekaton? No problem, that boss is a lag fest with no nice rewards

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited
Reunite

People like you just never run out of things to complain about huh?

Reply November 22, 2013 - edited