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current end game. discuss

I have deduced from mathematics that the ideal set is as follows:

4 set SW (transposed 15 star tyrants)
tyrant -> SW Shoes
tyrant -> SW cape
tyrant -> SW gloves (coming later, and yes 15 star gloves > hero gloves)
high att hat -> SW

4 set Gollux (superior perfected)
pendt pednt ear ring

3 set meister
Weapon (nexon failed when they put 15% total damage on these, 15% total damage >>> 30% boss at end game)
ring
shoulder
2 set RA
top
bot

justification for 3 set meister instead of 3 set RA ->
15% td >>> 30% boss at end game (iff you can get ~200%+ which isn't all that difficult, nebs + links account for almost 100% boss)
the cumulitive multiplier is ~10% higher for the TD i.e. if you hit 10m with fafnir, you'd hit 11m with meister (on bosses ofc)

discuss

January 28, 2014

18 Comments • Newest first

oOpoleyOo

@tzionmesil:
it doesnt stack i've tested it extensively. stop arguing that it does lol

Reply January 29, 2014
loxiona

Does anyone have a source or more sound mathematical reasoning or evidence that total damage % doesn't add with boss damage % anymore?

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
xkillo32

@barrcraft
doesn't really matter since we don't have MEEs

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
natty2

@jacob1248: To sum it all up,
[b]When you have 100% boss damage:[/b] % Total Damage = % Boss Damage
[b]When you have MORE THAN 100% boss damage:[/b] %Total Damage > % Boss Damage.

@oOpoleyOo: Take into account each individual equip as well. The set bonus is a great addition, but the damage addition you get from each equip makes it better.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
oOpoleyOo

[quote=tzionmesil]Just because it add dmg in your range it doesn't mean it's not The same as boss dmg if that was true then the 100%total dmg from my cross surge should add me x2range and not just 130k from my 250k buffed range without aria[/quote]

if you had 0 total damage you'll double your range
im guessing you have DOJO gloves + kanna + DA link thats 40% td already, you probably have more TD in ur weps and stuff (prob another 20)
going to 160% TD from 60% td is 260/160 = 1.56 multiplier = 150k buff

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
jacob1248

@Natty2 Yea that's what I meant, I forgot to state it, but even on a non-boss monster 15% TD would be better anyway, so there'd be no reason to even bother getting the 30% boss I guess

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
oOpoleyOo

[quote=natty2]OOOPS, yea, well, then you can still use gloves, cuz Weapon + overall + shoes + cape = 4 item set, that's enough.[/quote]

but giff we just discussed 15% TD>>> 30% boss by almost 10% cumulative multiplier
so shouldnt wep should rightfully be meister? (btw after a month of collecting i'm ready to make my first meister wep )

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
natty2

[quote=oOpoleyOo]@lachlan1906
@realmimic
@tzionmesil
they changed TD to no longer be additive to boss *(from like 30 patches ago)
http://i.imgur.com/yAxqeqy.png
the 2ndary has 3 att 10 allstat 9% TD and nothing else that should add to range

if you argue TD is additive to BD and adds to 0 range, then you're implying that 3 att 10 allstat adds 100k+ to my range which would be nice.

@jacob1248
you're correct

@natty2
there is no belt[/quote]

OOOPS, yea, well, then you can still use gloves, cuz Weapon + overall + shoes + cape = 4 item set, that's enough.
Also, @jacob1248 - that is correct assuming you're attacking a boss monster. Otherwise, we only count the Total Damage part.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
oOpoleyOo

@lachlan1906
@realmimic
@tzionmesil
they changed TD to no longer be additive to boss *(from like 30 patches ago)
http://i.imgur.com/yAxqeqy.png
the 2ndary has 3 att 10 allstat 9% TD and nothing else that should add to range

if you argue TD is additive to BD and adds to 0 range, then you're implying that 3 att 10 allstat adds 100k+ to my range which would be nice.

@jacob1248
you're correct

@natty2
there is no belt

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
natty2

[quote=jacob1248]If you have 100% boss let's say, you are doing 200% of your damage to bosses. With 30% boss, you now have 130% boss and are doing 230% to bosses. If you have 15% total damage, you are doing 115% of your damage, times 2 for the 100% boss, so you are doing 230% damage. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think 15% total damage>30% boss at 100% or higher boss damage.[/quote]

That's correct.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
BerserkerKing

i have 4 set sw and 3 set ra

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
jacob1248

If you have 100% boss let's say, you are doing 200% of your damage to bosses. With 30% boss, you now have 130% boss and are doing 230% to bosses. If you have 15% total damage, you are doing 115% of your damage, times 2 for the 100% boss, so you are doing 230% damage. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think 15% total damage>30% boss at 100% or higher boss damage.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
TheBaldAran

The cap of 25 stars normally doesnt apply to tyrant equipment, but through transposition to SW equipment, it loses the superior item tag which seems bad, but in this case, it allows the equipment to reach MORE tyrant type stats past 15 stars. Plus, in KMS, there is a lvl 150 1 att, 1 m.att 22 slot hat that can be transposed since it meets the material item criteria. If you would ICoG/CoG that, it would also give the SW hat a huge boost, plus that doesnt even factor in anything past 15 stars either. Again, its mainly hypotheticals, but the possiblities that the SW set introduced through transposition is amazing.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
natty2

Best endgame gear IMO (IIRC):

- Tyrant shoes, belt, and cape, all converted into SW.
- Dojo gloves (until Tyrant gloves come out, and then convert to SW).
- Von Bon Helmet (Or any CRA helmet, they are all the same IIRC) + Alien Fragment Pendant + Alien Fragment Earings
- Gollux Pendant + Gollux Ring
- Thunder god ring
- Other two ring probably have to be Pinnacle / Tempest / other gollux / White angelic blessing rings
- Empress overall perfected and converted into SW, it would be ideal (Yes, even better than RA top & bottom)
- SW weapon, after transposition when material was perfected (could be Empress too).
- SW tatoo, and glasses.
- Excorcist Badge
- 3 Sengoku totems
- Lidium Heart perfected

Everything else is meh, but this is the best I can imagine. SW set total should be Weapon + cape + shoes + belt, that's 4, and you get the set bonus for maximum attack addition.
Also Alien fragment pendant + earings go with CRA helmet for +50 attack bonus, plus the amazing potential (easily over 24%... with 10 + 7 + 7 or 10 + 10 + 7)

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
SlyOne

[quote=Barrcraft]Nexon is raising the cap enhancements to 25 stars, or i think that only applies to equips level 125 or below.[/quote]

Level 125- items getting a cap of 25 stars?

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
Barrcraft

Nexon is raising the cap enhancements to 25 stars, or i think that only applies to equips level 125 or below.

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
xtripled

that's right, but if you were to tranpose all your 15 star tyrants, you're losing a ton of resale value (yes i know the psok stuff)
but if you don't care about that, yeah that's the ideal set

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited
rparappuram

Look at all the stuff I can't afford!
Edit: LOL NOPE Enzlin

Reply January 28, 2014 - edited