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@lolitstom: I think essentially what we're getting at is for people to decide for themselves which server has more appeal.
@readers: As far a summaries go, this is okay. It does leave out some things mentioned in the thread and I think the pros and cons of the server, if you look through the comments of the thread, for each individual would vary from personal preference ( this is important to note so people won't be confused by what is being said in the thread).

Summary of some reasons mentioned in the thread of why one server is better than the other (because this discussion is a mess):

Normal Servers:
- Have more features (permanent NX & other things, FM, trading, access to more in-game items, etc.)
- Can have more options to make mesos beyond just typical meso farming
- More accessible end-game (can have much better gear)
- Heavy inflation of mesos by botters
- Pay2Win (ties to the more accessible end-game, however)
- Some servers are dead (but others are still fairly active)

Reboot:
- No trading, no FM, no permanent NX
- A lot of meso farming
- Damage/EXP/drop rate bonuses
- End-game will take longer to accomplish (can be circumvented, however, by means that Nexon doesn't approve of)
- Heavy inflation of mesos by botters, but as there is no FM/trading it affects nobody
- Less Pay2Win (the pet is your monthly subscription until you can beat hard Hilla)

Both:
- Heavy lag/instability issues
- Hacking/botting is still an issue
- There are pros and cons to both servers

I played on Reboot personally because it was my first time playing MS in several years and it was the most hyped server when it came out largely because of its features from the other servers. The extra updates and features that I missed during my time away were enough to keep me interested. After a couple of weeks I stopped, but came back months later because I was intrigued at the idea of reaching level 200 and I was close to it (and I eventually reached that). Due to my RL commitments, I currently have no plans to go beyond that - and knowing the current nature of the game, I picked Reboot knowing what I wanted to get out of it. I would have selected the normal servers if I felt that I wanted to play much longer and if I felt it was worth dumping some money into the game for the sake of my own enjoyment (which given my short comeback on MS, didn't seem like the right thing to do). This is unlike those in this thread who seem to generalize other nefarious reasons as to why people play on Reboot.

I will say that based on the discussion in this thread, plus the summary of many of the reasons above, one should do their research before deciding on which server to play.

@wellness: an excellent point that you make. Well done

I think the question now stands as. Is that 28 % difference significant once you factor it against the capability to scroll at an advanced to end game level of funding.

I think that most Reboot players are comparing against their former characters in the regular worlds, for low to intermediate funding levels approx 100k to 500k buffed ranges, their normal world equips are not at the stage you can see a distinct difference in stats compared to their counterparts in Reboot. However what they look at is the range their character has and due to that 100% damage boost it is easy to appeal to those players.

As for the notion of farming mesos versus farming items and or merchanting or making items for sale. To farm mesos in reboot. Involves essentially just mindlessly grinding away and picking up mesos. There is appeal to this because you dont really need to think to hard and you will progress nonetheless. The rate at which you can farm is reasonably fixed and plateaus out quite quickly. Compared to reboot the normal servers, require a bit more thought to succeed with a f2p mindset.

This is speaking from personal experience. I have made far less meso and overall character progression via the pay2win path, than I have via item farming, merchanting and making solid decisions on what is efficient for my time. And personally I find it more "fun" to be able to study the kinks the the market, profit and move on. (Mind you, for anyone actually reading this far, the items I work with generally range between 1m and 1b. None of that crazy 25b merching).

For people whose sole income comes from elite farming, unless you do it to an extreme level like @Wall managed to do to fund his NL, it will permit lesser progression than compared to Reboot. Which is another reason why Reboot has its appeal.

@lolitstom: I'll help you. It would be like 62% (1-[(161-100)/161]) less base range for the bishop, so the bishop would have a base range in the 4 million ( so 62% more damage on normal monsters). On boss monsters, the Reboot character would be doing 28% (1-[(361-100)/100]) more damage if they had the same stats besides %damage. If you factor in scrolls and nebulites into the equips(since you can buy them without spending nx), this amount fluctuates from 28% less to under 28% less.

In this case, if you wanted to decide what to choose and you were this bishop, then you would want to consider if you would rather farm a bunch of elites, events, etc. in a normal server to to sell and get enough mesos/event coins to buy nebulites, scrolls equips, etc. in a constantly fluctuating market to have the same damage, or would you rather farm for mesos in Reboot and extract, etc. to have a little bit less, the same, or more damage, assuming free funding nxless.

Honestly, Reboot seems like the safer option, but you can do good with both options. Actually, since the monsters have more hp in Reboot, it may be different.

@littletlk: your right that u dont have too but like come on lets me honest with ourselves the avg mapler who plays the game loads NX just by that there most likely gonna do some type of pay to win. the fact that, that option is always there just makes the normal servers lame.
normal servers are not much rewarding but reboot is. man i really dont like normal servers

u dont have to goto free market but the other thing i really dont like is the power lvling and they have character cards to lvl 150 lol u can buy a character and start ur character at lvl 150 or make a character and transfer ur best gear to him at lvl 1 and go from 1 to 200 with 2xevent in like 1 hr or 2, thats lame.

i played Maple after beta came out (ya im a old now )and im not gonna lie i always bought my end game gear in free market and playing in reboot really taught me a lot about the game and also made me love the game even more.

@memestdanks it's hard for me lol, I've played since like 2007 and my highest range char is a Hero at like 350k buffed. And that's after the V update began showing the damage from all our skills. I guess since I don't have that much time/willingness to play 10 hours a day, I don't feel like farming the whole time, I'd rather train or something.

@stoker yeah there's no way you only play for 3 hours a night like you said.

@whirlwind: >blacks out name and leaves name un-blacked out right below

@whirlwind: like I said earlier. Using range is actually a poor indicator, due to the inflation provided by the 100% damage increase given by the reboot passive. That being said achieving 10m is respectable regardless. The inflation is most certainly necessary to compensate for the loss in stats provided by scrolling and bonus potentials. For the bishop, the infinity final damage buff is used.

Im curious about the lines these players hit on bosses.

@wall
Not sure if Bishops/Phantoms count...

Phantom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmWWcAR11rk&feature=youtu.be

Bishop: http://cdn.shigetora.pw/i/velwaai.png

@wellness: Just keep in mind that 1.6m range visual range in Reboot requires less stats relative to 1.6m visual range in a main server. This is because it is inflated by the 100% damage (not final damage) provided by the reboot world passive. (I use 100% because for the sake of argument each char is level 200)

@wall: Youre probably right, p2w worlds > reboot. Thats why they are all dead now and reboot is overpopulated right now LOL.

@wall: Thank you. I think I have all the information I want. ^-^

edit: Also, I will accept that there seems to be options for people to progress at similar rates in both servers. Fortunately there are. The only unfortunate part for me personally is that it would take too long to reach them. I prefer games where you don't have to gear and have a high skill cap to go after, basically fps and mobas. Games like Maplestory are fun for me in short bursts, though. If there was a high skill cap and some competition, I might want to play it more, but instead there is a lot of grinding that makes me want to off myself.

@wall: That's cool. With the meso range, people can generally figure out how long they must farm. Which content is achievable with 1.6m range?

Because people think it's a non-P2w version of MS. However, many people in Reboot buy their accounts which is pay2win. I still play Reboot though, just feels better & somewhat feels like the old MS.

@wall: Thank you. Although my wording is wonky, that information is what I'm looking for. I just want to know how long and the methods it would take to reach 1.6m range in the normal server as opposed to Reboot, assuming that 1.6m is an acceptable range in Reboot to breeze through end game content. It does look like the pace of progression may not be different. There is just one thing I need clarification on. For your Kanna, did you also spend 10+ hours per day on training/farming?

@wall: I was indeed willing to get the cubes, but that'd mean I would have to invest a lot in order to get to drextal's damage range first. In normal servers doing CZak will take at least 1m range which would take months to get to if you were just farming cubes from bosses. Oh, and it seems he's using boss reset tickets, which aren't easy to get either if you're just a new player.

@wall: As someone who played on regular servers avidly for 7+ years, not once have I been able to get a reasonable ammount of cubes without spending NX (which I only have one time). For brand new players starting out on regular servers it is many times harder trying to get into it and learn the tricks of the trade. While in reboot you get in and start farming to make the mesos with only dropping 5$ on a pet.

@wall: I'm not convinced by this arguing point, because as you say, in the first place, people in Reboot do not go there to get tens of millions of damage. They go there because it's easier to farm mesos and get the damage that they can get and reach the end game content that way. Also, in order to get 30k stat without paying a cent in normal servers, you would have to spend 8x the time it would take in normal servers to farm cubes, scrolls, and bonus cubes than to get a range closer to what your Kanna has in the Reboot server, and you would have to buy nx for mesos in order to buy bonus cubes, which is against the ToS. So what I really want to know is how long it took your nl (normal server) to reach 1.6m range as opposed to your kanna (reboot) and the methods you used. I want to know the methods since you could have had some help from your shade, which we know would take much longer and some bonus cubes to reach the 10m range it has.

easier to play with friends who are returning and not be in different servers if there is only reboot and scania pretty sure scania going to have much much more people than reboot.

@wall: Yes, I do. Quite a few actually. This math is fun and all, but we should shrink that from the unrealistic 50million zakum kills, which has never and will never happen by a single player. I also guarantee you there's at least one person with a 10m range on Reboot. Just because you never see it on basil doesn't mean it doesn't exist; this is a pretty dead site after all.
Also while we're on the topic of money since I haven't played for a while on a regular server, did I undersell a perm veamoth sword for 4b?

@rogue: lol That's pretty much what happened, but I think the microtransactions in Reboot may overtake what the regular servers dish out, just because it attracts more players.

we are going to build a @wall! and make the regular servers pay for it.

Guys, I think we need to shift focus. Most of these problems stem from how Nexon develops the game. They increased the power creep and limited the options people had to reach end game content. Instead of adding more options, like adding cubes as party quest rewards, they created a server with different but limited options. They didn't go all the way, so you have this where there is a select group of people who want to go to the normal servers, and a select group -- though large -- who would rather go to the Reboot server, and they are clashing because the game has it's obvious downsides and Nexon doesn't try to fix them; the extra rng items over the years have increased their revenue by over 80%(actually, I don't know how much, but they are a leader in the microtransaction model across multiple games); and they're too afraid to lose this money to do anything else. Arguing won't get us anywhere. We just need to respect each other's preferences and decisions. Some people want prestige, so they grind for it in normal servers. Some people don't care about that, so they want to do as less grinding as possible,so they go to the Reboot server where the only thing you have to grind is mesos and then go bossing. Some people don't find the game worthwhile because it has so many RNG items, so they quit or don't play at all. Go with whatever is healthy for you, and also look at the downsides of the microtransaction rng model. It doesn't give the players the prestige they deserve, nor does it foster a huge population, and I guess the two go hand in hand.

@stoker: Statistically speaking, the minority doesn't correctly represent the population. The average majority does, so you would be correct in that statement, assuming that's an actual minority opinion.

@stoker Not once did I ever say 500k range was hard to attain. It can be a challenge for fresh players, yes, but it's not hard.

@wall Yeah lemme just ask every person on Reboot to show me screenies of their range. That'll take no time at all. I love the assumptions made that I'm solely Reboot though, they're pretty nice. I also don't know what kind of luck you ahve to get 40m cubes out of 50m zak runs, but personally I get about 1 cube/20 runs, if that. I have better luck getting cubes off of mining/herbs.

@stoker: And What exactly do you "get" out of playing on a non-reboot server? Literally the same as playing on Reboot.

I've noticed everyone saying that it's a lot easier to get range on regular servers without spending money, which isn't exactly the case, nor has it really ever been. The only way you're making money without spending money on a regular server is by dumping cash into it. You won't be able to do any bosses for money without at LEAST a 500k range, which honestly, is pretty hard to get on say, Scania right now without connections or cash. Some people just don't enjoy having to do 50 million zakum runs to be able to afford one cube on a normal server. Also you can hit essentially the same range on Reboot as you can on any other server.

Also has someone that switched to Reboot on release and rarely plays on other servers anymore, I can tell you the main reason that I switched and most everyone I know switched was because of cubes. A lot of them didn't want to invest the time or money into cubing on a regular server, and that's the simple fact of it. Cubing never should have cost as much as it has in this game, and reboot alleviates that problem for many people.

And in regards to making more money from elites, etc.. I've never made close to the same money doing elites/hr as I have on Reboot simply farming. The only thing that came close/passed Reboot money/hr was straight bossing, and that was only a few bosses passing it. I wish I could make 320m/hr just farming on scania.

@littletlk: Just because you represent the minority when it comes to why you don't like Reboot, doesn't mean what I said isn't true.

I was thinking of moving there because I was a dmg hoe, but I figured out what's else to do if you can solo every single boss. I would rather stay at a server where you can trade things and buy nx items because that's what I like about Maplestory. If I want dmg I might as well just play a prvt server. In the end, I just like to look at my char with beautiful nx items, chat with people and trade between one another. And true Reboot server has taken away a lot of players from my world as well as the rest. It's sad but hey.

@stoker: Aw that sucks you lost it ! Anyway, I accept those as reasons people may hate Reboot. Although I do think it's overreacting to downright hate it; I think it makes sense that deep down they have some feelings like sadness or jealousy as the main reason for the hatred, but they don't know and are reasoning it with the cons of Reboot. Of course, I don't know if it's really true, I just see it as logical. Also, if Nexon doesn't add more options to Reboot, it probably will die out eventually. That's probably what they want, to have the players migrate to the more pay2win servers due to its extra options. As it stands, though, Reboot has its benefits. Some people don't want to trade or merchant.

@endurance: I guess you could say, you couldn't *endure* the lag.

...I'll go just jump off a cliff now, pun too op

idk.. reboot had that international community/feel to it, the grind was nice and the lag was insane! I surely wont be going back to that server until nexon decides to add one or two more reboot-like servers, that would be the only way to eliminate the lag

@wall but like do you enjoy watching your 1.6m range nl doing little dmg against those 50m+ dmg hitter who spent 2000$+ on their Character? Cuz I know I dont, Id rather spend 15$ on a perma pet and grind my 2m range than have to deal with scrolls and item protection you buy from cs in reg server. Lets be real, people spend WAY more than 15$ in reg server otherwise you cant survive. Have fun spending on a character in a dead world.

Only reason I dislike Reboot is because it took people away from my world which is already practically dead, other than that it's just another server to me, with some components of THOSE third party servers, which shalt not be named.

Oh and I dislike how simple it is too, I don't exactly care how the people in the world are affected by this, just that it's simple; in the sense that I just wont play it due to such inadequate difficulty in my eyes.

@rogue: omg same again. I'm mad because I've spent so much on regular server, true though. I hate all my cheap friends that moved there lmaoooo.

@wall: I don't even think from a business standpoint they could justify it, because more players would be inclined to quit. And marvelous joke. lol

@wall: haha I like it. You get to play in peace. And if the servers really suffer, then Nexon should fix that. Add another Reboot or get someone who can upgrade the servers properly. I don't know.
@stoker: Don't forget the food.

@fradddd: Basically, there is potentially no reason for merchants to hate Reboot if they're just looking for income.

@wellness so...what's your point?
@wall how long do you freakin' play a week to get 10bil just from farming your own Elites. Seems to take like an hour of training at the same spot to get one Elite, so...

@fradddd: That makes more sense if it affects the economy, though the overall population was already going down before Reboot, and that's why they merged servers. The Reboot server attracted more players that otherwise would not have played. On the other hand, with the V update, the Reboot servers did take away potential customers from the regular servers, so the merchants perhaps lost potential income. While on the other hand, the prices of items would drop the more people you have farming, which could cause merchants to lose money either way, which would make Reboot of no consequence to them. And this is just for the merchants. Casual players may not have a reason to hate it. So if you get to the root of it, if what you say is true of merchants, it could just be about the rich wanting to stay "rich" and want to feel more "pro" when compared to the casual players. And that's not something Reboot players have to worry about. They can be "pro" by playing casually more easily. Also, you can still play on the regular servers and buy NX.

@stoker: What @wall suggested is there are reasons people would prefer a normal server to the Reboot server. What I want to hear is the reason people have to hate Reboot for existing and to hate players for choosing Reboot other than for jealousy.

@littletlk: I do not play there and that is not how servers work smart guy. Your "childish" insult is just another way to make you feel better about yourself and for wasting all your money on MS. You are way too into this game if you're mad.

@wellness the only people who hate on Reboot are the merchs in the FM cause they lose some of their client base. And I guess anyone else who doesn't want the population to go down. That's the only logical reason to "hate" it.
I don't HATE Reboot, but I kinda dislike it, because it's easier for me to work IRL, buy NX, and get funded, than it is for me to grind away for 8 hours in Reboot to get funded a much lower amount.
There is no way you get funded enough to cube all your items to "pretty good" on Reboot just from training, you gotta go grind on certain mobs that probably don't even help you level.

@stoker: What is it about the Reboot server as an entity that would cause normal server players to hate on it? I'm trying to follow the argument, and I think that's the main question at hand.

I have seen @littletlk say that the Reboot server causes lag, but that doesn't sound reasonable since that isn't an inherent quality to the Reboot server. The lag is a consequence of server structure and can be caused by any server if it is highly populated, so it's hating on Reboot because it attracts players.

It's up to personal preference. In normal servers, you have to spend a lot of time farming stuff to get damage and reach the end game content, and this is aside from the training that you would do separately. All of the items are expensive, so you have to farm a lot to put everything on your equips, and you also have to get nx somehow to get bonus cubes and scrolls, by either paying for the RNG items in the cash shop, or buying from people illegally through other means. In Reboot servers, you don't have to do all of that. You just have to buy a pet and farm while training and reaching all of the end game content. It's more straightforward and takes less time. And it's your preference which one you enjoy more. I think most people will find that neither option is suited for them, as both are extra repetitive, but there are people who do enjoy grindy games. So if you enjoy extreme levels of grind for long periods, the normal server is for you. If you enjoy grinding, but don't want to take that extra time effort, then Reboot is for you. Also, if you would instead rather spend thousands to reach the end content in the game, then normal servers are for you.

@littletlk: I think the "you're jealous" argument comes from how there seems to be unwarranted aggression/hatred toward Reboot and Reboot players. During my time here, I haven't seen anyone call players who play on normal servers stupid for playing on normal servers. I think players have their reasons for playing on each server, and they are probably good and acceptable reasons.

@nat244:
You "can," yes, but you don't have to.
In reboot, you have no choice. If that's your thing, I mean, sure? But personally, I like the trading aspect of Maple. It's a core component of the community.

normal servers are too easy because of pay 2 win, u can buy ur end game gear in the free market.

@retroqlty:

Uh, no.
I'm mad at reboot because your population puts a strain on all the other servers. You literally cause all the lag in this game, because all you do is farm mesos during 2x events, making the game unplayable for the rest of us. Not to mention the bots over there.

Reboot wouldn't be rewarding for me. It would feel like a ps where accomplishments just feel hollow and meaningless.

The whole "u just jelly" argument is childish.

@rogue:
Another stupid "you're just jealous" argument.
It's a lazy argument because you just turn the criticism on us with an unfalsifiable accusation.

The only reason why people in regular servers hate on Reboot is because they've already invested so much time/money into their main server. So the fact that normal people who don't like spending money to get stronger are actually making progress bothers the people who do spend money. Anyone who tells you that it doesn't cost money to get stronger in regular servers is full of crap. The people who say this are already funded themselves and can easily fund separate characters.

OT im looking for a supersnowboard in any server, no anvil

Not sure why anyone starts playing Reboot now. I can understand still playing if you got all those damn cubes and bonuses when it was released last year, but yeah other than that it's not even that much easier.

Keep in mind everyone, people like @stoker and @wall probably spend way too much time playing the game, so you're not gonna progress as fast as them unless you have no life.

Some non-reboot players are so mad because they dumped a lot of money into the game only to have reboot players slowly creep up on their range, without paying no more then what a pet costs.. Lmao. You can keep trying to justify yourself, but we all know you're dying inside.

@volpi: Well you said it yourself that it's not necessary to pay. Reward points make it unnecessary.