Thoughts on Aran Update?
>We're tons faster with OS.
>Can't use (Down Down Atk)/(Up Right/Left Atk) to use Drain/Barrier anymore. More slots needed on keyboard, especially since FT/FC/FB/RS can be put there now.
I'm glad that they can still be used without combos, but not sure how I feel about the damage penalty.
>Each regular attack does 2 hits for me. I don't know if this is a hidden Aran skill or if it comes from another attack.
>I can't use Final Blow after OS anymore. It doesn't chain in. In game, it says Down + Attack, but it's actually Down + Down + Attack to manually use it. There's a *bit* of delay between Final Blows, so Beyond Blade will need to be used.
How do you guys feel about the revamp? And what Hyper skills would you recommend? I feel like the ones for Combo Recharge are a bit more viable now, with the CD jacked to 50, and Combo Count mattering.
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final blow isn't final blow anymore. it's useless polar bear attack.
[quote=Senkujin]xD he doesn't play games to have fun.[/quote]
If that was the case he never would've made an Aran.
[quote=Rokani]I don't know, just for the fun of it?[/quote]
xD he doesn't play games to have fun.
[quote=1512832]What's the point of that, then...?[/quote]
I don't know, just for the fun of it?
[quote=Rokani]We were talking about not being able to do a normal attack, we weren't talking about using skills, with weapons other than a polearm.[/quote]
What's the point of that, then...?
[quote=1512832]Really? I've been playing since '06 and made Arans since they came out. I remember they've always been able to not use the Aran skills with other weapons. Does that person mean you can't equip other weapons anymore or something?[/quote]
We were talking about not being able to do a normal attack, we weren't talking about using skills, with weapons other than a polearm.
[quote=Rokani]It was changed in v.142 the Dawnevil update.[/quote]
Really? I've been playing since '06 and made Arans since they came out. I remember they've always been able to not use the Aran skills with other weapons. Does that person mean you can't equip other weapons anymore or something?
[quote=1512832]When were they able to? What update stopped it?[/quote]
It was changed in v.142 the Dawnevil update.
[quote=Rokani]We were able to, when they changed the basic attack into a hidden skill (which they should show but are lazy, its 240% x2 btw) they made it so we couldn't use other weapons anymore. I use to have a nice onxy blade, I blew it up after the update as I couldn't use it anymore wish I had it >.> kinda useful for low levels lol, and I'd go around with it batting at mobs when I was bored now we can't swing anything other than polearms -_-[/quote]
When were they able to? What update stopped it?
@1512832: You are wrong. I do remember equipping and playing around with various warrior weapons on my Aran. Which is precisely why I brought it up. Maybe you've just not been playing long enough.
[quote=1512832]They never have been able to...[/quote]
We were able to, when they changed the basic attack into a hidden skill (which they should show but are lazy, its 240% x2 btw) they made it so we couldn't use other weapons anymore. I use to have a nice onxy blade, I blew it up after the update as I couldn't use it anymore wish I had it >.> kinda useful for low levels lol, and I'd go around with it batting at mobs when I was bored now we can't swing anything other than polearms -_-
[quote=Senkujin]The thing nobody mentions is that arans are unable to attack with weapons other than polearms anymore.
@_@ This makes me insanely irritated that I cant play around with swords or daggers now. The best part about being a warrior was the fact that we could wield any weapon. this is dumb. >.<[/quote]
They never have been able to...
The thing nobody mentions is that arans are unable to attack with weapons other than polearms anymore.
@_@ This makes me insanely irritated that I cant play around with swords or daggers now. The best part about being a warrior was the fact that we could wield any weapon. this is dumb. >.<
@raiden: why did you put your points after >, that's not how you use greentext
anyway i have a sort of love/hate towards the new FB mechanics, i miss OSFB of course but now that there's no OS required and FB has such massive range it makes questing easier
[quote=VapourXY]Overswing-Final Blow is the traditional attack! xP[/quote]
It's still in the tutorial too. Nexon jewed Arans on this one.
Fast=normal>slow its a slight difference, also you have to be kinda low level to find a slow polearm.
[quote=aznballing]Only thing i dont like about aran is that i cant just put some weight on my space bar to attack...hopefully there is a new skill for that....[/quote]
I'm hoping this is a sarcastic comment..
@Maylive: I'm not sure, didn't really look it up. I'm pretty sure the 3 options I listed are better than it, though.
[quote=ImCensored]I might hop back on my aran for a bit... they seem pretty cool now [/quote]
we weren't cool before? I see how it is Sean.
[quote=Maylive]Did not play MS for quite a long time. How good is Final Toss spamm compared to the options you tested? I remember that it dealt the most DPS against LHC monsters, hope it didn't change because it was quite hard and Satisfying.[/quote]
After the changes made to Aran, Final Toss is no longer worth spit compared to our jacked up OS, or keybind Final Blow. They both out DPS it.
OS>FB>FB+BB>FT? IDK no one seems to care about FT anymore I use it sometimes just out of boardem though.
[quote=feeling]I've never really believed those dumb DPM charts, but in this case they seem quite accurate.
According to JoeTang :
OS only= 7790%/s
FB only= 7124%/s
FB+BB= 7600%/s
After testing it in Dojo, I can confirm that OS spam and FB+BB are very close in damage.
OS is slightly better, but it gets pretty boring, which is why I'm recommending FB+BB to people.
FB+BB definitely isn't that much worse, especially if whatever you're fighting has high PDR.[/quote]
Did not play MS for quite a long time. How good is Final Toss spamm compared to the options you tested? I remember that it dealt the most DPS against LHC monsters, hope it didn't change because it was quite hard and Satisfying.
Tell me if you can stay connected for more than 5 mins ever since this patch game out I DC like crazy.
I might hop back on my aran for a bit... they seem pretty cool now
Cuz we didn't get that extra 10% crit from adv combo So the only way I'll get it is by leveling my phantom to lvl 210 then finding 5% more crit rate. I suppose I could save up money for a decent SE neb but then I'd have to make a really strong glove so yea.
Also I'm not pro far from it more like a decently strong Aran.
IDK y it I don't see it proc either I mean I don't see it happen often on OS either but out of all the times I've used FB so far not once have I seen it proc.
Anyways the reason that the first hit on OS is hitting so high is due to 1) boss/mob damage 2) crits 3) total damage 4) elemental weakness (doubt you'd forget this one though) so yea you need to take all of that into account.
So for example when I fight normal mobs and don't hit crit I do about 350kish 350k*.8=280k*.96=268.8k/2.4= 112k and I have a 127k range so that's about right.
[quote=ken1noob]I agree with this completely. When Aran came out, he was the best mobber around, and he did it with his combos. They reduced 12 mobs to 8 and we became kind of typical. We still had our combos going for us though; they were still strong and once you got the feel for linking them, you liked it. There were people who called Aran a keybasher and a dull class, but it just wasn't for them. The main downside of this is that, while it makes Aran appeal to newcomers-- this isn't a bad thing, of course-- it just doesn't feel right. The Combo King doesn't need his combos anymore, it's just as wrong as a DB with just a dagger (I think I just trashed Shads, oops) or a WH and no Jaguar.
OT: About the thing where each reg. attack hits twice, I was testing it earlier today and I really want to say that's AFA. My AFA is at 20, meaning a 55% chance, but when I'm hitting monsters I can definitely hit, that second attack says "MISS" sometimes. That's probably the 45% when it doesn't hit, so I'm pretty confident that it's AFA.[/quote]
Arans were far from the best mobbers around when he came out. During that time, mages were still able to spam their ultimate skills. Aran's damage was also cut when he fought more than one monster. So the idea that aran were created to be the best mobber around is just silly.
@Rokani
Yes, Fb activates afa. I'm not sure why you haven't saw it with yours. I see afa happening quite often whenever i spam fb o.o
By having a 100k range and taking out the extra 20% from boss thing skill + http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=67165&page=2 joetang states what it is.
[quote=Rokani]OS first swing does 2 hits at 240% each, OS can proc AFA. Can anyone confirm that FB doesn't proc AFA? I just tried it and didn't see a single AFA after about 1000 uses but I'm not 100% sure as it seems AFA proc rate is broken and now insanely low.[/quote]
I think I seen it trigger.
Also, how do you know the % of the first swing?
OS first swing does 2 hits at 240% each, OS can proc AFA. Can anyone confirm that FB doesn't proc AFA? I just tried it and didn't see a single AFA after about 1000 uses but I'm not 100% sure as it seems AFA proc rate is broken and now insanely low.
[quote=ken1noob]I would think it's some way Nexon didn't want us to be OP... while they carried on and started to make newer, faster, stronger classes that put us to shame. By the time they took off that penalty we couldn't hit twelve mobs anymore, so your point is definitely valid.[/quote]
Also, I want to correct you on the AFA thing, I don't think that's it, as I've been hitting double twice every swing. My FA even activates at the first swing.
I noticed that my damage decreased too
[quote=ken1noob]I agree with this completely. When Aran came out, he was the best mobber around, and he did it with his combos. They reduced 12 mobs to 8 and we became kind of typical. We still had our combos going for us though; they were still strong and once you got the feel for linking them, you liked it. There were people who called Aran a keybasher and a dull class, but it just wasn't for them. The main downside of this is that, while it makes Aran appeal to newcomers-- this isn't a bad thing, of course-- it just doesn't feel right. The Combo King doesn't need his combos anymore, it's just as wrong as a DB with just a dagger (I think I just trashed Shads, oops) or a WH and no Jaguar.[/quote]
Then again, if we were meant to be the best mobbers around, why would Nexon cut our damage every time we hit more than one enemy? Not really that encouraging.
[quote=win4fun]This revamp was just wow the best one yet and ppl say that arans lost there combo theme or combo feel is gone .... Um no we still need combos but instead of using all our combo on one visual att skill that wastes all our combo and lowers our dps we got so many passive affects such as status res. more att and 100% knock back res. Sure we cant link os and fb but it makes us all the more versitile. Instead of spamming os fb and bb we are gifted with the ability to pick which is best suited to the enemy at hand iv played my aran for a long time before big bang and this new revamp made us a more unique and powerful class[/quote]
True, but the combo feel is gone. Although it is a better system that allows us to become more powerful, it is a different combo system that we have had for years.
This revamp was just wow the best one yet and ppl say that arans lost there combo theme or combo feel is gone .... Um no we still need combos but instead of using all our combo on one visual att skill that wastes all our combo and lowers our dps we got so many passive affects such as status res. more att and 100% knock back res. Sure we cant link os and fb but it makes us all the more versitile. Instead of spamming os fb and bb we are gifted with the ability to pick which is best suited to the enemy at hand iv played my aran for a long time before big bang and this new revamp made us a more unique and powerful class
[quote=Rokani]The revamp was kinda only half done, now if that was intended or due to time restrictions IDK.
The next update needs to make FB + BB make you do a ton of damage and BB needs to have 40% IED like FB.
Also the normal FB needs to be stronger than OS after hypers but before using combos, using combos on FB should just add damage not make it necessary for it to be worthwhile. And last BB needs to add a ton of damage for every hit landing as you are risking a lot sitting in that one spot for 2 or so seconds.
All of this would make FB + BB do good damage when the boss is unlikely to be a threat for a few seconds and OS for combo building or when the boss could easily attack you and you need a skill to stop fast to retreat.
Anyone think were missing anything over than a revamp to FB and BB? I think most of the other stuff was really useful though I miss using the combo to activate CB and Drain.[/quote]
lol...silly nexon
The revamp was kinda only half done, now if that was intended or due to time restrictions IDK.
The next update needs to make FB + BB make you do a ton of damage and BB needs to have 40% IED like FB.
Also the normal FB needs to be stronger than OS after hypers but before using combos, using combos on FB should just add damage not make it necessary for it to be worthwhile. And last BB needs to add a ton of damage for every hit landing as you are risking a lot sitting in that one spot for 2 or so seconds.
All of this would make FB + BB do good damage when the boss is unlikely to be a threat for a few seconds and OS for combo building or when the boss could easily attack you and you need a skill to stop fast to retreat.
Anyone think were missing anything over than a revamp to FB and BB? I think most of the other stuff was really useful though I miss using the combo to activate CB and Drain.
This doesn't feel like the way aran's should be played, but it still seems nice.
I wish we could still combo os+fb+bb... feels kind of awkward to me
Only thing i dont like about aran is that i cant just put some weight on my space bar to attack...hopefully there is a new skill for that....
@feeling I love you
BB kills your DPS now. FB does as well, but due to it giving 20% IED (40% IED with hypers) its better when the enemy has 49% or more % def, unless I'm doing the hyper 20% damage increase wrong (doing 460%*1.2) then it'd be even worse.
as for joetangs OS damage I can't seem to get close to it.
OS 240*2+520*2+640*2= 2800 / .57 = 4912 + AFA(1.5*3/.57)=5701.47%/s then if I add in crits I'd have to do it at a rate of 70% then I can get 7797% but I thought he used 100% crit rate for all of this? Anyways Whatever FB and BB need a buff or OS needs a nerf that's for sure.
[quote=boredaf]Sucks that os is so powerful now, it's kind of pointless to use our other attacks. We're just another spamming class now, if it isn't os its tempest. I wish they kept ft and polar bear the way it was before. BB is just beyond useless now.[/quote]
I've never really believed those dumb DPM charts, but in this case they seem quite accurate.
According to JoeTang :
OS only= 7790%/s
FB only= 7124%/s
FB+BB= 7600%/s
After testing it in Dojo, I can confirm that OS spam and FB+BB are very close in damage.
OS is slightly better, but it gets pretty boring, which is why I'm recommending FB+BB to people.
FB+BB definitely isn't that much worse, especially if whatever you're fighting has high PDR.
I'll still use FB+BB because it looks cool.
time to test my aran again <3
[quote=feeling]I do wish that our old combo was still available in its entirety (OS+FB+BB), but I'm still very pleased. It will definitely take some adjusting, but it's for the better. [/quote]
This x1000000
overswing is so op my aran like out dps my main drk
I do wish that our old combo was still available in its entirety (OS+FB+BB), but I'm still very pleased. It will definitely take some adjusting, but it's for the better.
[quote=knight3154]Now that the crit is taken off FB, its seem overswing is stronger and they both seem to be the same dps. I so confused, cuz if it is ill rather use overswing then. Plz help![/quote]
Overswing is higher dps, i hit 500-700k max with final blow, but i hit 700k-1m with overswing, plus overswing is faster.
Still getting used to the new macro combinations, but otherwise I'm moderately pleased with this update. Does it fix the fact that our survivability and DPS cap are both too low? Not really, but this is a definite improvement nonetheless. I do like being able to resist Seduce multiple times in a row through sheer force of will (aka combos).
@graffitiskyez yeah i do the same haha, been doing that for 4 years, its gonna be hard to change
OT:I wasn't happy with it at first, but i guess it's not bad. I went from hitting 400-500k with overswing to 700-1m