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i am happy for swirleed but, f[uck zerobydivide, u must be f[ucking kidding me </3

[quote=Dorks]my mind is blown. there is no shad/nl rep? forgive me i thought that community was still alive and well o.o
agreeing with @traitor on the popularity thing though, i see at least one rep who hasn't seem to have any info regarding the class they were nominated for upon a little background check but has connections to artasi...[/quote]

I read up on some people who were pretty pissed they weren't chosen and Artasi's response was that those players who didn't get chosen but still wish to help would talk to those who were chosen. Sadly to say, the person who was not chosen wanted no part in helping the person who was chosen over them.

I believe the system is better implemented as a Nexon representative for each type of class: 1 for each Explorer, Resistance, Nova, etc. [however Nexon did the rankings for the most part] Then afterwards, there should be a suggestions box, the whole list of suggestions should be made public so that players would not do reposts [which I can see fail because no one reads apparently, basil is the best example of that] But you see where I'm getting at, though I'm being very vague. Sorry, my ramen is waiting<3

my mind is blown. there is no shad/nl rep? forgive me i thought that community was still alive and well o.o
agreeing with @traitor on the popularity thing though, i see at least one rep who hasn't seem to have any info regarding the class they were nominated for upon a little background check but has connections to artasi...

Thanks for the vote everyone, however as much as I would like to believe that this is a good idea for Nexon [Not only saving them money on development/less work on them] but I am skeptical on the subject. This seems nothing more than a popularity contest and I highly doubt they'd really seek out members who are actually adequate. I mean sure you can pick someone who likes playing the game or someone who actually gets a lot of nominations [someone with a youtube/twitch channel or someone who got all their friends to vote], but do they know what they're actually talking about?

I only say this because the last time Nexon tried something like this as mentioned before, was the Maple Leaf Brigade. Sure they implemented it, but pretty much nothing happened and the people who were a part of it pretty much were either 1.) silent but happy and didn't do anything or 2.) held the title over people and were bit power hungry which led to something that wasn't "supposed" to happen. As much as this is a good idea, I believe class-specific councilors as @CherryTigers mentioned, is a pretty stupid idea. Power-creeping is going to happen. Very few people multiple-main like him and myself, but very little insight is received when looking into one class. They need to look at the big picture, I'm not saying that minor details don't matter as they are really important but they're taking the wrong approach.

I would like to be proven wrong however. Good luck to everyone who got nominated. I personally doubt I'd get selected and I don't really care much about getting the "title" as it's pretty much a popularity contest. However, whoever gets chosen for the Dawn Warrior class better not be clueless, power hungry, selfish being. I'd hate to have an asshole chosen over me. I just want someone who actually deserves the position to get it, this goes for every class. So far, I am very disappointed at the list they have so far but congrats to those who got their "titles".

Sorry for not responding earlier, I was on basil-suspension as well as being a bit bitter about this MLC concept.

i applied for the economy position. i can only imagine what would happen if someone got that spot that was just interested in making some money. that could cause a lot of damage rofl.

i still think there should have been a 'general' council seat. not like military general, just a spot that makes suggestions for non job related things such as ui , guild improvements, etc.

@CherryTigers: Mhm, I think the council would serve so that jobs don't become OP, hopefully they got good people so things like that wouldn't happen + Nexon has some sense of common sense lol (inb4 FP now do 7000 damage) qq

@AntiSenpai Believe me, I do enjoy the idea of having a voice in this but... I hope Nexon doesn't listen to everybody's requests.

[b]The biggest flaw in this whole concept is the idea of job related council spots.[/b] Necessary job revamps will come, regardless of council positions, which means part of the concept is redundant. The idea is good, but I don't like the direction of council seats being advertised based of jobs. There should be NO job requirements for seats. It should simply be a council with open seats to knowledgable players in general.

For example: If someone who was the representative of the fire poison mage asked for some sort of a damage increase/revamp, it would just be... bad. FP Mages do NOT need anymore increases nor are they too overpowered. They are in the middle of being justified and should stay that way.
The flaw in this whole thing is the fact that Nexon is asking for job specific council members. Voices for all jobs do not need to be heard.

Also, I thought Nexon had no control in job revamps as KMS was in charge of that. However, if Nexon America decides to stray from KMS:

It may cause imbalances IF people decide to keep on pushing forward for their own self-interests. "I play this job, so I want it to be the best that it can be." I smell power-creep. Most people do NOT multi-main or do not multi-specialize in all the intricacies of each and every job so therefore, not every request will be necessary as some will come out of bias or out of self-interest.

If this maple-council thing happens, I hope Nexon puts their foot firmly down and just ignores all unreasonable requests and only listens to weaker jobs that truly need revamps. I also hope that people who attain these positions won't try pushing for anything unreasonable.

Nexon needs to walk the middle road. They want us to be involved, but they also better be there to heavily moderate this. If they do such a thing, it would make them look good and wouldn't be a bad concept if it were used under moderation. A fake democracy, if you will.
OR. If a decision is to be made, there should be some sort of checks-and-balanced between each and every job so they can agree/disagree to decisions.

I thought GMS had no say to things, and copy pasted all the content? Why does the council even matter?

[quote=CherryTigers]I like the idea that Nexon is trying to reach out to us, but I don't agree with a few things.

Why do we need representatives from certain jobs? Most active jobs are balanced already and the inactive jobs that people don't play aren't balanced. It's not hard to come up with class revamps, as KMST just released in their recent 1.2.100 revamp with things such as 6 line execution for demon avengers. The updates are quite obvious and Nexon already knows what needs fixing.

Beast tamer is not in creation. Nexon announced it would be re-released for summer. Jobs that need revamps will get their revamps regardless of what us the players say.

[b]A maple-leaf council idea is not bad.[/b] What I'm saying is that the idea of "job specific" council spots is redundant. It's cool... but redundant.[/quote]

It'd be cool if Nexon HQ gave GMS permission to do their own thing so now they're getting people for all jobs to have a say so in what should happen with classes and the game in general, that would be so cool! ^^

I like the idea that Nexon is trying to reach out to us, but I don't agree with a few things.

Why do we need representatives from certain jobs? Most active jobs are balanced already and the inactive jobs that people don't play aren't balanced. It's not hard to come up with class revamps, as KMST just released in their recent 1.2.100 revamp with things such as 6 line execution for demon avengers. The updates are quite obvious and Nexon already knows what needs fixing.

Beast tamer is not in creation. Nexon announced it would be re-released for summer. Jobs that need revamps will get their revamps regardless of what us the players say.

[b]A maple-leaf council idea is not bad.[/b] What I'm saying is that the idea of "job specific" council spots is redundant. It's cool... but redundant.

Also, as stated by many others in multiple threads: High damage/good reputation does NOT equal someone who is qualified to represent the ideas of a certain job.

wtf is this garbage anyways?

[quote=Rachelll]Some of the people on the council haven't even done some of the major contents in the game...

Don't waste your time on this--I can't see this amounting to anything[/quote]

I think the problem is everyone just gets their friends to vote for them, I see it spammed on the nexon forums. Most people joined this not to better the community but out of "popularity" and have no insight to the class besides "playing it because I like it", I don't think that is a problem but that shouldn't be the deciding factor. I agree with you, I see @Traitor helping here on the forums quite frequently and I hate to admit, @wall does the same thing too though he just "play what you want (tm)".

If you're going to vote for someone, Vote for them and supply whatever material you think is beneficial evidence that the person is a great asset. I think in @Traitor's case his basilmarket account is great, same with @wall. Just make sure you post it on that official nexon forum thread because posting on basil about it ain't gonna do no good. Good luck to everyone who is willing to take their time to participate. I just hope you all aren't doing it for the attention.

Personally, I think it's a cool concept but I don't think much will come out of it as @Rachelll has stated above.

@cb000, agreed. </3 half, the time they don't really pick anyone who's gonna do anything. [ie. Maple Leaf Brigade]

I wanted to be on for Shadower, but my ban all those years ago makes it impossible.

I also found the council idea to be pretty stupid, or naive at best, which is why I didn't even bother commenting in any of the nomination threads. But hey, if it manages to get some things done, I'll gladly say I was wrong.

And it turns out that my feelings on who would get the Hero position was correct.

hopefully it isn't just filled with "2m-2m no clown" type of players

Some of the people on the council haven't even done some of the major contents in the game...

Don't waste your time on this--I can't see this amounting to anything