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[quote=CrazeeFun]@Roy8484: so if society tells you that jumping off a cliff is logical you would do it right?lol[/quote]

tell me when that day comes.

@CrazeeFun: i think you're the tool whose going against society, is this a new hipster trend or are you just retarded?

[quote=CrazeeFun]haha wat a tool[/quote]

and you must believe logic is judged by the invisible man in the sky.

[quote=DaVinci]Logic is subjective. That is that. Because it is logical is by no means an argument for anything. Kindly do not use 'logic' as justification for anything.

I must agree, the idea of a soul would not have occurred to me had I not heard of it first.

I must also digress, because while it is common knowledge to think it illogical to kill, I do not think so. You see, where you believe killing is illogical, I firmly understand that humans are animals. To kill, being an animal, is only logical, as we are omnivores, correct? That is another logical fallacy in your statements. You cannot claim we are animals, and yet claim it illogical to not kill.

Moreover, the existence of a soul is too ambiguous to pin down. It's many definitions make it so that, were there an semblance of probability in this multi verse, for every universe void of souls (henceforth named 'y'), there must also exist one where a definition of 'souls' exist, thus making these universes 'x'. Where in all of existence so many 'y' universes can exist, a larger amount 'x' universe must exist solely because of the inherent number of definitions souls has.

As such, by multiverse theory and probability, it is only logical that souls exist.

If, as you have stated, we are to take scientific theories as correct, then I am also correct. |

After all, it is only logical, by rule of probability, that souls exist.[/quote]

You obviously knew what I said when I meant killing in that context I even explicitly said murder...
Sure it may be logical for souls to exist but the probability that it doesn't outweighs the probability of it existing. Logically it would be harder to prove something than simply say it doesn't exist.

@DaVinci: Logic is judged by the secular ideals that society gives to us not some bogus supernatural being. Obviously I assume that you're living somewhere that has a similar view of logic to mine where you believe that killing someone is logically wrong because there are many places where murder is not considered illogical. Logic like everything is of course subjective and relative but because this conversation is between me and you I think it's in correct context. Can you prove that a soul does exist then? Because if you can't then logic obviously points to it not existing, it's the religious that have made the claim the burden of proof lies with them, I mean if you were never exposed to the concept of a soul you would by default think it did not exist.

It's your opinion, don't shove it into other people's throats. How exactly would YOU know for a fact that what you're saying is true exactly? Exactly.

Liiiiiife is a joooooke and death is the puuuuunchliiiiine

@Roy8484: The answer very obviously is NOT maybe. I have said very clearly that I believe in a god, I just have not found an organized religion that I choose to subscribe to, that is nothing at all like saying I am an atheist, do not bring me down to your level please.
I have seen you make numerous references to science in this thread, but the honest truth is that science has disproven the very fundamentals of your argument. To ask what happens when you die, you first have to ask how we came to be in the first place. Science has proven, that something can not come from nothing. (Look up spontaneous generation). You do NOT know what happens when you die, and telling someone that you do is the height of arrogance.. Precisely why atheists piss me off.

[quote=DaVinci]Logic is relative. A murderer finds it logical to kill, a cynic finds the absence of soul logical. It's not logic, it's cynicism. That being said, I'd like you to address my points.[/quote]

In the case of the murder his logic is obviously flawed and the greater consensus of the public would easily agree. Likewise I could say that saying a soul does exist is a form of hope and faith which is believing in something without evidence. I could say similarly that I believe leprechauns exist and if you were to deny my belief I would call it cynical. But logically you would see that if I believed in something without evidence it would be illogical and hence it would be logical to say it didn't exist, seeing it as cynical is just an invalid opinion.

@above
I'm saying it is more logical to believe there is nothing after death than believing there is an afterlife based on the fact that the idea of an afterlife was from religion.

[quote=Roy8484]You're too assuming that a soul exists but logic would put it that it is more likely that it wouldn't exist rather than it existing.[/quote]

Logic puts it at even chance that it does and does not exist seeing there isn't definite proof one way or the other. xD

[quote=orangeking11]Lol It's not logical when you're just assuming. xD[/quote]

You're too assuming that a soul exists but logic would put it that it is more likely that it wouldn't exist rather than it existing.

[quote=Roy8484]You're bringing this out of context. For this moment right now the most logical answer for a soul existing is no.[/quote]

Lol It's not logical when you're just assuming. xD

@Laguniroth: Yeah you're trying to say that no one knows which is true but in any situation you're going to take a bias towards a side in the argument, there's no such thing as a "maybe" in these kinds of situations because obviously they both contradict each other because you can't have one with the other and saying you don't know is pretty much saying there's nothing, if you never heard of heaven and hell existing or the afterlife you would logically just believe that nothing comes after death likewise with saying if there was no such influence of religion in your life then you would be an atheist.

[quote=Roy8484]On those grounds you have no absolute proof for anything yet you obviously would take bias into a "theory" like believing F=ma or evolution. All of these theories aren't absolutely proven yet everyday you accept it as truth, if you want to live life with everything being purely ambiguity then that's your choice.[/quote]
Go back and read some of the things I have previously posted in this thread.

[quote=MagiBombchu]The only logical answer is "maybe". Saying yes or no means you have absolute proof, which you don't.[/quote]

On those grounds you have no absolute proof for anything yet you obviously would take bias into a "theory" like believing F=ma or evolution. All of these theories aren't absolutely proven yet everyday you accept it as truth, if you want to live life with everything being purely ambiguity then that's your choice.

[quote=orangeking11]B>Soul detector. Because we cannot detect it, doesn't mean it's not there. Certain sub-atomic particles were undetectable until our technology improved. xD[/quote]

You're bringing this out of context. For this moment right now the most logical answer for a soul existing is no.

Furthermore, there are MANY *basic* questions that science has no answer to, and will likely never have an answer to.
The very fact that there exists life in the first place flies directly in the face of the dis proven theory of spontaneous generation. Science has no answer, because there is no answer. I do not subscribe to any particular religious belief, but for this reason alone, I do believe in a god..

I am a very scientific person. Believing that something.. anything.. let alone all life in the universe, can occur from nothing.. is pure fantasy. And If you believe it can, then you are ignoring very basic foundations of science.

[quote=Roy8484] if such thing as a soul exists it must create a force or charge that is detectable[/quote]

B>Soul detector. Because we cannot detect it, doesn't mean it's not there. Certain sub-atomic particles were undetectable until our technology improved. xD

I was taking your argument as illogical and insensible, and then I read that [b]there's nothing after death.[/b] Then I started laughing.

[quote=MagiBombchu]It has about as much "logical grounding" as a higher being existing in the first place. Unless you can conjure up actual proof of your beliefs, it is foolish to ignore the possibility that you could be mistaken.[/quote]

You obviously have to take some bias towards the possibilities after death. Logical grounding of such an experiment, if such thing as a soul exists it must create a force or charge that is detectable, logical grounding of your god, a book written thousands of years ago by multiple people claiming contradictory ideas said so.

[quote=Roy8484]Because your so called possibility has been disproved many times. There's nothing after death, the only reason why there is speculation is because our minds choose not to accept it as fact due to our insecurities but evidence and logic point to show that there is nothing.[/quote]

Disproved, how? lol xD

Everyones view and opinion is different.

[quote=Misunderstood]You're just telling me that God has been disproved with no actual sources of the tests and experiments.[/quote]

You haven't answered me, do you think this has no logical grounding and I just made this up?

I have faith in my woman to bring me a sandwich when I ask her too and hope that shes always in the kitchen

It pisses me off more when atheists start spouting off their lack of religious beliefs as fact than it does when religious folks do the same about their views.

There is one, and ONLY one inevitable and indisputable *fact* about life after death.
No living being knows what happens to us when we die.
That is all.
Christians don't, Jews don't, Buddhists don't, Muslims don't, Pagans don't, and since you guys seem to have such a difficult time understanding it, ATHEISTS DON'T either.

The End.

[quote=Roy8484]Sure, bring me to one which has been conducted on a logical grounding that actually proves that there is a god. Btw I'm not interesting in seeing figures being burnt into cheese toast or statues "bleeding". Btw is it the lack of source I'm giving or is it the experiment itself that you're being skeptical towards?[/quote]

I agree that grilled cheese sandwiches and 'eyes' in patterns of wood are irrelevant. But you claim to know for sure that there's nothing after death. You may be right, I don't know, I don't claim to know. I think it's arrogant to claim to know for sure something that science does not yet have the ability to prove beyond all doubt.

[quote=Misunderstood]Then you're just rambling. I can tell you that there's a God, which has been proven. Tons of experiments and tests have been made. Source? just google god exists lol hurrdurr[/quote]

Sure, bring me to one which has been conducted on a logical grounding that actually proves that there is a god. Btw I'm not interesting in seeing figures being burnt into cheese toast or statues "bleeding". Btw is it the lack of source I'm giving or is it the experiment itself that you're being skeptical towards?

[quote=Roy8484]You can't be serious right? It's the evaporation of water off the body that causes this "magical" weight change. Get out of my thread thanks.

@MagiBombchu
It was religion that forced people to believe that the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth. Christians would burn people who tried to disprove what the bible said about this so no one could actually go against this bogus. This "science" your referring to are merely fools reading from the bible and claiming to be scientists.[/quote]

You think that as soon as the "mind" dies, the body magically loses all of its water?

[quote=Roy8484]You can't be serious right? It's the evaporation of water off the body that causes this "magical" weight change. Get out of my thread thanks.

@MagiBombchu
It was religion that forced people to believe that the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth. Christians would burn people who tried to disprove what the bible said about this so no one could actually go against this bogus. This "science" your referring to is merely fools reading from the bible and claiming to be scientists.[/quote]

Actually, the real reason for the 'weight loss' is because the last thing you do before you die is crap your pants. Watch South Park, seriously.

[quote=lmbored]Did u know after a person dies, if u measure that person's weight before he dies, and after he dies, his weight changes. The lost weight is the weight of the soul.[/quote]

You can't be serious right? It's the evaporation of water off the body that causes this "magical" weight change. Get out of my thread thanks.

@MagiBombchu
It was religion that forced people to believe that the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth. Christians would burn people who tried to disprove what the bible said about this so no one could actually go against this bogus. This "science" your referring to are merely fools reading from the bible and claiming to be scientists.

@Misunderstood: I'm in no mood to sort through the rubbish religious results when I search the word soul to actually find the experiment but it is logic that you would think this experiment has been conducted in the past unless you believe that I'm actually smart enough to have invented it myself which to I'd gladly deny.

@above
[b]ANY[/b] theory would outweigh religious fallacy so in that sense to be skeptical about this topic is an invalid opinion.

[quote=Roy8484]It's even more ignorant to take precedence in believing in things you don't see rather than those you can. Everything contains an electrical charge if you're trying to put it that way, I know you understand what I mean when I say the brain stops signalling the body so don't try using that rubbish.[/quote]

I didn't say anything wrong. When we die, it doesn't mean the body stops functioning.

OT: We can't see air, but we know its there.

Maybe that wasn't a good example,

ok, Love. If someone doesn't tell you, could you really tell?

[quote=ThaiF00D]Death is not an ending
You reborn into a random person(or animal) with no memories of your past lives[/quote]

Even if that was true, then the only way the memories of your past life would be preserved is if someone else remembers it for you, who will eventually also die and according to your theory will have no memories of his past life, and since there's a huge chance that guy isn't going to pass the information onto the next generation, the only memory people have of you is your tombstone. So I wouldn't find that comforting.

Dude... that sucks. Given logic and reason, who would want to logically accept that 'there is nothing after death'? Unless there is evidence beyond all doubt that is true (which there isn't) then why not believe that maybe there is something better afterwards? Don't get me wrong, I don't like religious people who try to block scientific advancement in the name of their religion...but the idea of death being oblivion sucks, so I choose to believe there may be other things. I certainly don't claim to know for sure though, guess I'll find out eventually...

[quote=tjhermit]Electrical charges in the brain does not fully cease when the person dies.

OT: It is very ignorant to only believe in what you see.[/quote]

It's even more ignorant to take precedence in believing in things you don't see rather than those you can. Everything contains an electrical charge if you're trying to put it that way, I know you understand what I mean when I say the brain stops signalling the body so don't try using that rubbish.

[quote=Roy8484]Faith - believing in something without evidence. All death is, is when the electrical signals to the brain shut-off and the body responds by stopping. There's no such thing as a soul or afterlife and it was created on the basis of faith. Yes there have been experiments to see if a dying person would release some form of electrical charge/force as a result of a "soul" leaving their body within a concealed room with negative results. So yes to answer your question there has been evidence to show that there is no such thing as a soul or afterlife and by logic you would be able to see that believing in something without evidence is stupid.

Also, to the idiot who thinks humans aren't animals, get out of my thread.[/quote]

Electrical charges in the brain does not fully cease when the person dies.

OT: It is very ignorant to only believe in what you see.

[quote=tjhermit]Prove it, or this is false.[/quote]

Faith - believing in something without evidence. All death is, is when the electrical signals to the brain shut-off and the body responds by stopping. There's no such thing as a soul or afterlife and it was created on the basis of faith. Yes there have been experiments to see if a dying person would release some form of electrical charge/force as a result of a "soul" leaving their body within a concealed room with negative results. So yes to answer your question there has been evidence to show that there is no such thing as a soul or afterlife and by logic you would be able to see that believing in something without evidence is stupid.

Also, to the idiot who thinks humans aren't animals, get out of my thread.

@Specter
He's allowed to question people's faith because there's freedom of speech because the only garbage in this thread is the people who believe in souls/spirits/the afterlife.

[quote=Roy8484]Because your so called possibility has been disproved many times. There's nothing after death, the only reason why there is speculation is because our minds choose not to accept it as fact due to our insecurities but evidence and logic point to show that there is nothing.[/quote]

Prove it, or this is false.

[quote=tjhermit]Does that mean he is Stewie or the stoner who was sitting next to them?[/quote]

Stewie.

[quote=orangeking11]Why can't people accept that there's a possibility of life after death and that maybe animals do have souls/spirits? xD[/quote]

Because your so called possibility has been disproved many times. There's nothing after death, the only reason why there is speculation is because our minds choose not to accept it as fact due to our insecurities but evidence and logic point to show that there is nothing.

[quote=WhySoRussian]Did you come up with this while sitting in a Coffee Shop in Amsterdam with a dog named Brian?[/quote]

Does that mean he is Stewie or the stoner who was sitting next to them?

Did you come up with this while sitting in a Coffee Shop in Amsterdam with a dog named Brian?

@Metacafe: eternal sleep sounds appealing

[quote=DearAg0ny]don't waste your time. There is nothing after death.[/quote]

Lol Maybe not for you. xD

bzz It's hard to grasp the concept of being dead. bzz The only analogy for death is sleeping lol.

Why can't people accept that there's a possibility of life after death and that maybe animals do have souls/spirits? xD

why can't you accept that people can't accept death

Because I summon Reborn Tengu, and he doesn't die.

People's minds are narrow.

Some call it stupidity, while others call it faith.