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I can't even begin to explain how much effort I put into this. Took around 24 hours (straight), probably even more. This was my first time playing with digital painting since I nabbed my sister's tablet o3o.

This is my shadower, MissIove, and I wanted to make a more feminine version of the osfa suit. The whole thing was made in SAI completely from scratch. I keep noticing small mistakes like how the belt buckles are in the wrong direction (lul). The background was made last minute- solely because I hate white backgrounds. Critiques are very much appreciated ^.^! Thanks!

June 23, 2012

59 Comments • Newest first

blazi4ever

[quote=GrizGriz]To everyone that thinks the girl in the drawing as a fake...

I am her Boyfriend, I have seen her draw in real life... She did not Photoshop, take a picture of a girl posing this way, find a picture on the internet, or any of that nonsense...
She is literally just talented and hard working when it comes to something that means a lot to her. She did draw everything you see right there. she is no fraud and would not steal anybodies work, claim something is 100% drawn by her if it was not true, and would not try to pull anything over on anybody...

She Drew ALL of this on a tablet that her sister gave her or borrow.
She's legit... not a con artist, cheater, photo shopper, or anything.
So please stop accusing her of doing so when you have not ever seen her draw something in real life Like i have.
Thank You

I know that everybody has their speculations...
But just hear me out, I have seen her drawing in my college dorm... I know what she is capable of.[/quote]

In that case, I'd like to see some proof that she did do this 100% on her own.

Provide clear SSes of the layers as well as the original sketch.

Reply June 28, 2012
GrizGriz

To everyone that thinks the girl in the drawing as a fake...

I am her Boyfriend, I have seen her draw in real life... She did not Photoshop, take a picture of a girl posing this way, find a picture on the internet, or any of that nonsense...
She is literally just talented and hard working when it comes to something that means a lot to her. She did draw everything you see right there. she is no fraud and would not steal anybodies work, claim something is 100% drawn by her if it was not true, and would not try to pull anything over on anybody...

She Drew ALL of this on a tablet that her sister gave her or borrow.
She's legit... not a con artist, cheater, photo shopper, or anything.
So please stop accusing her of doing so when you have not ever seen her draw something in real life Like i have.
Thank You

I know that everybody has their speculations...
But just hear me out, I have seen her drawing in my college dorm... I know what she is capable of.

Reply June 28, 2012
qwertyxd

Wow, nice drawing Goldilocks.

Reply June 26, 2012
Bashspy

[quote=Rondragon123]Demn she's hot.
Btw, how comes my hand made revers killic from wood screen have being rejacted ? I really wand everyone to see it and I dont know what to do...I mean I made this basilmarket accaount BECAUSE I wanted to post my screens and not for the auctions.... >.<
Help[/quote]
go ahead and create a forum with a link to the picture.
u can host pics at tinypic.com

Reply June 26, 2012
yianni800

[quote=nicepuppy9]I thought this was seriously a real person. Wow...[/quote]
same o_O

this is amazing...

Reply June 25, 2012
Inyurface

*Breaks own tablet*

Reply June 25, 2012
Riku0020

You're freaking amazing I couldn't even tell it was a drawing.

Reply June 25, 2012 - edited
Scheifen

all the time you spent really shows, especially in the skin, when i first saw it i thought it was a photo with added maple story parts.

This is some incredible work, steal your sisters tablet more often

Reply June 25, 2012 - edited
Pedrof1990

Please, don't do paint-overs and claim as if you painted it from scratch.

Reply June 25, 2012 - edited
BassChan

The coloring and rendering is very realistic, because of the tones and that it is definitely either color-picked from a photograph (nothing wrong there, but it limits the pallet for skin color and whatnot), or the colors are modified via a Photoshop filter or the water tool in SAI or some other similar process. However, I'm inclined to believe this is a photograph placed in and smudged, mostly because of the hands, especially her raised left hand. It actually has the qualities of a .JPEG image dropped into a higher-resolution canvas. The rest of the body was painted over and whatnot, and the jarring feeling is because the level of photomanipulation ability isn't high enough to make the painted areas feel natural-- even painting over the body wasn't helping. Her right arm, you chopped into her pectoral, which would normally flow into the bicep. Had you have just drawn his from reference and not been working over a photograph, the crease where her armpit would be would not be there at all. Her hair is also conforming to the shape of her body awkwardly, mostly a sign of not knowing the three-dimensional anatomy. It makes her trapezious muscle almost look nonexistent on her left(our right) side.

I hope I'm not sounding rude, but this is an obvious photobash, which is definitely something done in the industry, but the point is to make the parts you didn't create yourself flow into the work and enhance it. The female figure is jarring, and the way you chopped up her body to work with the newly added parts distorts the way her muscles and skin are actually attached to her body. Had you been more versed in human anatomy, you probably could've seen the little bits of mixup you had, even though you were working over a photograph. It's the same with what people are saying for the face-- that face actually existed in the photograph, but because you took away a lot of the details that were there before it was blurred/smudged/filtered, it doesn't look "right" to the viewer. That is where the anatomical knowledge would've helped a lot as well, just knowing the facial structures, how to perhaps cartoon them (even realistic fantasy art is cartooned in ways) in order to portray it with less detail, how the body parts would line up in your given perspective, et cetera.

If you're really interested in realistic fantasy painting, you should look up the work of Donato Giancola and Dan Dos Santos, and possibly even watch videos of them painting. I know Donato is a traditional oil painter, but I think Dan works digitally. If not, the techniques are definitely transferable. Everything I know about digital painting comes from being taught how to oil paint.

[url=http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/BassChan/MapleStory-BasilMarket-Screen-219764.jpg]This image should clarify my observations that probably sound convoluted.[/url] Photomanipulation is an honest art form, so you shouldn't feel the need to hide it under "false painting." It's a hard technique to learn and even harder to master.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
Constalations

you only got 117 likes cuz most of the men that looked at this got kinda horny (including me)

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
GenuineLaughter

I never usually jump into conversations like this but ByTheWay that was an extremely rude and hurtful thing to say. I'm going to take your word that this is the last time, though. And you seem to be like an intelligent guy (judging by your previous art critiques) so please be considerate in the future.

As for the OP's art: some people here have valid points about the integrity of the piece. But I won't repeat what's been already said and only encourage you to continue drawing and improving your artwork. You've completed this picture, and no matter the effort you put into this I'm sure you've learned something new in the process. And that is what's important.

Keep going.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
iLoveJesters

@WorkOfArt: Ignore what I said about you, because my intent wasn't to make this personal; I really don't care for talking about you and your views.
"Say you read a news article on a person gaining fame on doing nothing." I heard tons of people complain when Obama gained the Nobel Peace Price and I'm pretty sure no one did anything. It's a good example, but this is just Basil; a submittion is completely harmless here and it won't earn anyone anything.

Regarding your suspicion, that's a no. You're simply paranoid. Edit: Nevermind the thing I just said, I didn't see that there's a user called ByTheWay.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
WorkOfArt

[quote=iLoveJesters]@WorkOfArt: People do learn to take credit for their work. Let me expand on that: When they see the positive response to "their" work-whether they traced or copied- they'll begin to yearn to be praised for something they accomplished on their own. This will trigger a reaction towards working on their own art. Consider a kid, if I had a kid and they approached me with a plagiarized or illegitimate drawing, I'd praise them. Would you remind them that it's copied and that they couldn't achieve something like that? Your answer might be "yes, I'd tell them it's bad to copy and to try their best on their own" but I think that simply praising them is enough. Their conscience will take care of the rest. Also, the drawing might not be completely done by them, but it's harmless and it'll only help them feel good about themselves. I'm aware that the poster might not be a kid, but the same effects take place. I believe in positive stimuli, despite being a pessimist, myself.

You seem too driven to prove that she didn't make this. Does seeing someone post something like this bother Basil artists so much that they'd bother to "call her out" on it. It's a pride thing, and I don't like that at all. I always see your posts and they always give off the "I'm the authority of art in Basil" vibe.

[b]This can all be summed up in this sentence:[/b]
Let people be, please.[/quote]

I'm sorry you don't like my attitude when it comes to art. That's just who I am: I have an unnatural addiction to call people out over the internet, regardless of whether it's art. If I can prove someone wrong, I end up typing and trying to find everything wrong with it.

I'm not the authority of art on basil. In fact, I usually only say two things: I give my advice on what I did to practice art, and I rebut against possibly fraudulent works. You may have failed to notice that I'm just as desperate to learn as the next person, and I consistently ask basil for their advice regarding my art.

It might be pride, I won't deny that. I don't know why I do it, I just do, and I don't really have the intention of stopping just because I'm making a few people dislike me.

Also, @ByTheWay
It seems I see you wherever I go, and you consistently comment against me. Again a speculation, but I'm guessing that you're someone's alternate account, that you're using to post, in order to avoid suspension. Or to bypass suspensions.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
iLoveJesters

@WorkOfArt: People do learn to take credit for their work. Let me expand on that: When they see the positive response to "their" work-whether they traced or copied- they'll begin to yearn to be praised for something they accomplished on their own. This will trigger a reaction towards working on their own art. Consider a kid, if I had a kid and they approached me with a plagiarized or illegitimate drawing, I'd praise them. Would you remind them that it's copied and that they couldn't achieve something like that? Your answer might be "yes, I'd tell them it's bad to copy and to try their best on their own" but I think that simply praising them is enough. Their conscience will take care of the rest. Also, the drawing might not be completely done by them, but it's harmless and it'll only help them feel good about themselves. I'm aware that the poster might not be a kid, but the same effects take place. I believe in positive stimuli, despite being a pessimist, myself.

You seem too driven to prove that she didn't make this. Does seeing someone post something like this bother Basil artists so much that they'd bother to "call her out" on it. It's a pride thing, and I don't like that at all. I always see your posts and they always give off the "I'm the authority of art in Basil" vibe.

[b]This can all be summed up in this sentence:[/b]
Let people be, please.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
WorkOfArt

[quote=iLoveJesters]Please [b]don't[/b] record yourself drawing anything and keep doing what you're doing; you got nothing to prove to anyone.
Whether you're actually this skilled(with the obvious flaws and all) or someone that traced over a picture, continuing to do whatever you're doing will only help you improve!
If you're actually this skilled, you'll be gain more practice and what-not (obviously).
If you traced, well, it's one of the best ways to get a feel for drawing. I think a lot of people started off tracing, to be honest. Additionally, if you traced, you'll eventually learn to not take credit for this kind of stuff out of whatever pride you develop for yourself and your art.[/quote]

I think you are misunderstanding what everyone is saying.
We aren't accusing her of tracing, and we aren't accusing her of copying. We believe that she may have outright taken a picture of a real person, making it slightly blurred to look like she painted it (that takes literally a minute), and sticking it directly onto her picture. There's a difference between simply submitting a picture that's fraudulent, and claiming that it's 100% her own efforts. "The whole thing was made in SAI completely from scratch." If this statement is a lie, then it's a lie for fame.

Yes, a lot of people started off tracing, which includes me. However, never once have I submitted a drawing of something that's copied or traced, aside from one time three years ago on DeviantArt, where I specifically stated in huge letters "This was not drawn originally by me, the entire drawing is a copy, and I take no original or credit for the original." People don't just "learn to not take credit." It has to be drilled in them. People will not stop tracing until they get called out. She might learn on her own, but do you know why people keep calling people out? Because it's an insult to other artists to use other works and create their own, without giving credit to the original, and even saying that it was all their own efforts.

Again, I'm not saying any of this is true, I'm saying I believe that it may be true. Yes, I come off as a jerk, and I know people will hate me for my comments. However, I am not accusing her of anything. I am merely making my statement on the matter.

Here's how it boils down:
If she did use another picture, then she will probably learn from the many people bombarding her with this same belief. If this is true, and she ignores all these comments, she may realize that in the future, she cannot do the same thing, because it's too easy to catch. She would probably stop using these pictures. She'll improve more than she ever could, and eventually this subject will get placed aside.

If she did not use another picture and this drawing is truly her own efforts, then she can prove her artistic prowess, and make all of basil, including myself, respect her for her mastery in coloring the human figure. She would, however, learn that being lazy on the clothing or background can indeed make things look bad, and she would put more effort into her clothing/backgrounds in the future.

Recording a process of drawing is one of the best and most viable options to proving one's ability. There is no negative aspect to recording aside from the minimal time it takes to set up and put the video together.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
KingsGlory

I thought this was a picture of you cosplaying as your shad o.o

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
TomTzayig

looks so real <3

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
iLoveJesters

Please [b]don't[/b] record yourself drawing anything and keep doing what you're doing; you got nothing to prove to anyone.
Whether you're actually this skilled(with the obvious flaws and all) or someone that traced over a picture, continuing to do whatever you're doing will only help you improve!
If you're actually this skilled, you'll be gain more practice and what-not (obviously).
If you traced, well, it's one of the best ways to get a feel for drawing. I think a lot of people started off tracing, to be honest. Additionally, if you traced, you'll eventually learn to not take credit for this kind of stuff out of whatever pride you develop for yourself and your art.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
WorkOfArt

I agree with the few people who said that this looks doubtful.
For starters, the huge difference between the figure and the clothing/accessories really stand out, as @AresMaestro mentioned.
And, as @SeeMeTwice mentioned, there's a big difference for the blade. When you look at the hand position and the grip position, the blade should be pointed slightly away from the viewer. However, the blade is starting straight at the viewer with minimal hints of position change, and the transition from grip to blade is extremely choppy.

Next, with such mastery of colors, proportions, angles, and shadows, you sure to make a huge mistake when it comes to the other parts of the picture.

And here's something very interesting:

Every single hair strand and every part that I think you drew looks like it was drawn right on top of the background. You see how things start blending in? Especially the hair. Take a good look at those stray strands, and see how they blend into the background, and are somewhat transparent.

This indicates that you used a layer on top of the background to draw the hair. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's expected. What baffles me is the fact that there are white spots around the [i]body[/i] of the woman, indicating that the woman was originally on a fully white background. This means you did not draw it on a layer directly on top of the background.

Since you know your way around layers, I have to speculate that you did not draw the woman yourself.

I may be entirely wrong. However, I also might be right, and there's a lot of clues that point to that conclusion. I hate to sound like a jerk (which I probably am), but when it comes to art fabrication, I get really obsessive. If I am proved wrong, then I will gladly apologize for my actions today. I would like to request you to video record your process of drawing. A free software is called Debut Video Capture Software. Simply record yourself drawing a simple human face. If you can successfully do so, then it will prove me and anyone who doubts you wrong.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
ExpiredMilk

You put lots of detail into the face and hair, but gave up on the rest of the drawing. That's how I see it anyways.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
Schokoshake

It looks pretty nice. I'm going to be honest though, there is something off about the face, I believe. It might be the contrast in styles from hair to face, but it looks like the face doesn't fit in, and actually looks as though it's the face of a man. I cannot help but seeing a man when I see the face. ._.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
xNightAngelx13

I'm sorry but, it looks like you photoshopped a girl's body out of a picture, put some effects on it so it has that paint texture feel, and then just colored over it.
Sorry, it's just how I kinda see it

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
vMinn

Wow! I really thought it was a real person.

Amazing man! I mean Ma'am.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
porkky

Woah, cool!

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
SeeMeTwice

Just noticed something.

Everyone can obviously tell the difference in detail b/w various parts of the picture, but I think the dagger especially is really off.
Look at the handle. Looks very realistic and fits to how the pose is, but once you get to the blade it's just sloppy and has a horrible angle. There's also just a random yellow line on the handle to make it look drawn.

I'm pretty sure now that the picture is one of a real chick posing with some sort of dagger/sword in the left hand and a right hand in a fist.

Reply June 24, 2012 - edited
Oshawott

wow, Did you paint all that or cut out a real face?
this is amazing either way. I honestly thought it was a real person..

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
mechibi

GIRL YOU CRAZY
this is so amazing

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Billionz

There's something in this drawing that I do not like... but I'm not sure what it is...
Well I guess it's that the contrast between the background and the person you drew is too significant.

btw it kinda looks like a wig.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Kythro

[quote=DizzyMyFuture]Im not gonna hate on you or anything. But as a artist view..compare to your other pictures this one seems like a huge jump from your style and 'improvement' wise. Considering its your first tablet drawing, most people dont start off right then and there. It takes a bit of practice to get use to the tablet. But as far as the drawing goes, specially at the face its very detailed but then lacks the same details in other places like AresMastro pointed out. I do apologize but unless you have a drawing progress of this.. I too question this drawing.[/quote]

her other drawing was from nearly 2 years ago. that leaves enough of time for her 'huge jump' imo.
and funny thing is that, in my first [url=http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/247/e/1/a_cry_towards_dusk_by_kythro-d48tuoj.jpg]tablet drawing[/url], i did the same thing she did. good details in some parts, sloppy on others.

OT: I think that you shouldn't use black/grey to shade stuff in. it looks really messy

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
geralddino

Neadz moar boobz !¡

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
silva69

cant tell if its a real face photo or not

x_____@

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
DizzyMyFuture

Im not gonna hate on you or anything. But as a artist view..compare to your other pictures this one seems like a huge jump from your style and 'improvement' wise. Considering its your first tablet drawing, most people dont start off right then and there. It takes a bit of practice to get use to the tablet. But as far as the drawing goes, specially at the face its very detailed but then lacks the same details in other places like AresMastro pointed out. I do apologize but unless you have a drawing progress of this.. I too question this drawing.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
ThatBox

It looked like a real person from the thumbnail.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Bobomanbob

The eyes are have a little to much shading but still good

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
ultxliger

use a Dkhanjar and come back

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
catdograt

Wow it looks like a real person o_o
This is pretty amazing. The only thing is that I think the left shoulder looks a bit strange.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
ox0Shad0w0xo

[quote=Frenchtosd]for a few seconds i had thought you used a real person and painted over it. OMG, this is soo well done, good job![/quote]

Same thing I thought. She looks so real, but some things like the belts look so cartoony.

@OT Looks amazing.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
achyif

holy bjesus this is definitely one of my faves o_o

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
JJoestar

haters gonna hate: edited picture, but your other arts looks legit.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
elpanaj8

for some reason her make up and desing reminds me of mirror edge

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
elite139

i actually thought this was a photograph when i first saw it

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
DrHye

She's holding the khanjar backwards and the other dagger seems a bit short, but I'm always thinking about those things when I see shadower pics

Otherwise, it looks pretty good :I

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Splutter

Thanks everyone ^.^ I understand the scratchy/ abrupt lines though. Unfortunately, it was the consequence of adding a background Behind a white screen, the lines looked more smooth. The hair was extremely hard to make... especially because it's long and I wanted it to be as realistic as possible.

I also wish the top to be more detailed... but as time creeped by the 2 a.m mark, I just got lazy Dx it was the last part of the body I finished.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
SeeMeTwice

Wow! This is the most realistic pic. I've seen here :o Amazing work

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
reedpipes

amazing!

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Xchippzanuff

reminds me of the cover art of lolipop chainsaw

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Ichii

With all due respect, she looks like a prostitute.

Reply June 23, 2012 - edited
Nolen

She looks ready to kill me

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