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Is guild scroll skill additive or multiplicative?

and does it work on spell traces?
so ie 15% spell traces? if they were additive then spell traces would be 19%, multiplicative and they would be .156

February 3, 2015

11 Comments • Newest first

GoXDS

[quote=Axnslicer]We confirmed diligence is additive and works on spell traces.

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2848185/2#comments_list

Likely because you are experiencing negativity bias, which makes the failures easier to remember than the successes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias[/quote]

what she probably meant is that anyone claiming a scroll "feels" like a certain % is just bs-ing for lack of a better term since most likely they only used a few personal cases, which isn't enough to account for randomness

Reply February 3, 2015
Steven522

if diligence and guild skill at additive then spell traces would have a 29% success rate right?

Reply February 3, 2015
Axnslicer

[quote=kiue]From what I know, Diligence is Addictive. Also... I am not sure if people confirmed if diligence even applied to Spell Trace. I barely ever spell trace since they were so expensive back then.

Some people claims that diligence it doesnt work with Spell Trace so... IDK about spell trace.

BTW: How often do you scroll using 15%s? Using it a few times does not make it "feel" like that specific %.[/quote]

We confirmed diligence is additive and works on spell traces.

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2848185/2#comments_list

[quote=Steven522]just from personal experience i have 100 diligence and no way do 15% traces feel like 25%... and 90% +10%(90) = 99%. So its most likely that no one around you using occult scrolls is going to fail it[/quote]

Likely because you are experiencing negativity bias, which makes the failures easier to remember than the successes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

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kiue

[quote=Steven522]just from personal experience i have 100 diligence and no way do 15% traces feel like 25%... and 90% +10%(90) = 99%. So its most likely that no one around you using occult scrolls is going to fail it[/quote]

From what I know, Diligence is Addictive. Also... I am not sure if people confirmed if diligence even applied to Spell Trace. I barely ever spell trace since they were so expensive back then.

Some people claims that diligence it doesnt work with Spell Trace so... IDK about spell trace.

BTW: How often do you scroll using 15%s? Using it a few times does not make it "feel" like that specific %.

Reply February 3, 2015 - edited
Steven522

[quote=kiue]Nope, it is additive. Go Gollux and buy those 90% scrolls which Diligence work with. Don't think I ever heard of someone with level 100 Diligence complaining about it failing.[/quote] just from personal experience i have 100 diligence and no way do 15% traces feel like 25%... and 90% +10%(90) = 99%. So its most likely that no one around you using occult scrolls is going to fail it

Reply February 3, 2015 - edited
kiue

[quote=Steven522]ive heard mostly that diligence is multiplicative though[/quote]

Nope, it is additive. Go Gollux and buy those 90% scrolls which Diligence work with. Don't think I ever heard of someone with level 100 Diligence complaining about it failing.

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FreeIcecream

[quote=Steven522]ive heard mostly that diligence is multiplicative though[/quote]

Hmm, never heard anyone say that with confidence. Could you perhaps cite some sources if you have those?

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Steven522

[quote=FreeIcecream]They're additive.
Dilligence should also have the same effect.
This would allow for +14% success rate on your scrolls, nearly doubling the odds of a 15% trace passing [/quote]

ive heard mostly that diligence is multiplicative though

Reply February 3, 2015 - edited
FreeIcecream

They're additive.
Dilligence should also have the same effect.
This would allow for +14% success rate on your scrolls, nearly doubling the odds of a 15% trace passing

Reply February 3, 2015 - edited
roy5577

Last week, I failed a 70% Spell Trace, and my guild skill saved the slot

EDIT: Oh wait, talking about the wrong skill

Reply February 3, 2015 - edited
Kevinz165

Additive

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