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@skyravens: That still breaks reboot and aggrivates me but at least restricts the amount of abuse

http://i.imgur.com/munmsSe.png Have to be level 150+ to purchase them

@xxmcheifxx: i especially loved the part where they reinforced the fact that pay2win wouldn't be a thing in this server, then right before it comes out, they throw this in our faces and literally ruin the whole idea of the server

@johny2toes: There is no permenant NX in reboot.
90-day pets, 90-day clothes, 90-day everything.
This is how Nexon rolled in pre-bigbang as well. This is how they made their profit.
Every player that did not want to look ugly, would buy new things every 3 months, along with buying new things maybe before the 90 days were up, because they felt they needed a new look.

Sure, you can argue that this method will gain them more money, and surely it will, but that's not the point. Nexon are being greedy, and the cost of them wanting more numbers added to their bank, potentially ruined a server for many plyaers.

there is no scrolling or bpot, anyone who wants that 2m~2m range probably aren't going to be trying to get it in reboot. you can't sell your "pro" gear either, so no incentive there. i don't see the damage ho types who are willing to shell out $$$ for damage staying in reboot for very long.

will reserve judgement on meso sacks til i see how they are implemented. cost/meso output.

@xxmcheifxx: And how many cosmetics are you really going to buy..? Because I know once my main is decked out I have no reason to buy nx anymore, thus end of profit gain. Pets can be obtained for free via the rewards shop. (matter of fact so can cosmetics)

A company has to make money to stay in business. Doesn't matter if it's Nexon, Sony, Microsoft, etcetc... If you're not making money you're not going to stay in business.

"People will still play and pay money" is an aspect for everything in the gaming world.
Good example is... Star Wars Battle Front just came out at a full retail price of $60, on top of that a $50 season pass for content already in the game. It's not right and people will still pay for it anyway.

@johny2toes: "Something has to be added to allow a profit gain."

That's what cosmetics and pets are for. They can make you buy NX to improve your gear in the other servers. Reboot was supposed to be the exception.
Either way, people will still play maple and buy nx and thus continue to tell Nexon it's okay to pull stunts like this one, and the game will gradually decline until it dies.

@xxmcheifxx: "No pay to win aspects" would be what the community assumed and expected, not what they promised. They promised a challenging RPG style where all your gear has to be earned... And it does. Nexon is still a company, and a company has to make money in order to stay in business. Something has to be added to allow a profit gain.

Now at 1 Black Cube / 5 Red Cubes per meso sack... It just depends how much the sacks are.
Either way at 10mil per minute at lv 160 it's not like getting cubes naturally is that difficult.

There's no scrolling in Reboot, so equips and weapons will 'always' be weaker then the normal version. Doesn't matter how much you cube it. There's also no additional potential, further lowering the total out-come. Reaching max range / capping / soloing end game bosses is going to be difficult, no matter how much money you spend.

Overall Reboot is still very much a hardened RPG style of older Maplestory Roots (There were meso sacks in old Maple too so...) It's still very team oriented as 99.99% of people will be doing bosses in parties.

@xxmcheifxx: Such is life however. We willingly play this game (most of us) knowing that we're under the control of Nexon. Maple has one of the worst reputations for Pay to Win games, and we can see Nexon don't feel like changing their ways.
If they would like to keep killing their game, so be it.

@xxmcheifxx: Only not.

Considering that you'll easily be able to earn mesos on your own at an increased rate, all the meso bags do is save on a little time. Seeing as how in most servers, you can easily make a few mil of Zakum runs daily, it's not going to be any stretch of the imagination that you can earn the mesos to cube something from doing Zak runs at least once a week... and that's not even counting the mesos gained from training and selling off things you don't need... OR the fact that you'll likely find a few cubes doing your Zak hunts...

Big deal if someone buys another cube with a meso bag. They get to re-roll the stats on the item to another random set of stats. Or, y'know, seeing is how you only get class-specific gear now, you could, just reveal potential on a new item and take whichever has the better stats... probably be considerably cheaper than trying to recube things.

Also, I keep pointing this out... how do you "pay 2 win" a game that has no "win"?

But the fact the Strongest person in the server will most likely either Botted their way to billions of mesos to cube. Or Just flat our Bought their mesos to cube. The server was appealing because it would finally be a server where the strongest actually worked for it. But on the bright side, most people Bot for financial gain and without a market theres no reason for anybody to. As for the mesos, As long as the drop rate stays the same, and they dont price it under 2k nx, anybody who's paying that much money for mesos you could get within minutes in game, they probably would prefer to play on a p2w server as well. Also we are all failing to realize what this server actually is.
It is a play2win server. That does not neccisarily mean buying things doesnt give an advatage. It just means you can get everything without paying, almost as easily. Even though some people can buy mesos sacks and get cubes easily. We can just hunt mnsters and get cubes easily. They may have a slight advantage, but its definitely a fair playing field

Everyone is missing the point. The rate of mesos from these sacks is irrelevant, the point is that Nexon is taking an enormous dump on the entire concept of Reboot and giving the entire player base two huge middle fingers. Reboot was designed, due to player feedback, to have NO pay to win aspects. With this item, Nexon is straight up telling everyone they can go f*** themselves.

But at the same time, it wont affect the market if people chose to pay because there will be no market. I know myself i wont spend a dime on reboot.

I've been basing everything off the screenshot showing a guy making 20m in 2 minutes 29 seconds. at 160
Giving it a bit of leeway said 20m in 3 minutes. So if 1$=3 minutes of training. While it may sound ridiculous to pay instead of just playing. Somebody can spend 30$ and be 1 1/2 hours ahead of a 160 training. And we all know people are willing to spend much more than 30$. If it's 2.5k like you are guessing.

They would need to spend 75$ for that, wich is honestly their bad life choices..but a choice they can make and will give them an advantage nonetheless...

if its 2.5k each I wont complain, but it certainly goes back on what they promised. 4k a sack, and I'll clap for anybody bold enough to buy them

@charles0012: If by "regular cubes" you mean Master Craftsman Cubes, then yes, 1 meso sack will give just under 5 regular cubes.

I'm assuming nexon will make the price similar to the current NX:Cube ratio, i.e 1 meso sack will be 2.5k NX

So roughly 5 regular cubes?
At 1k If the drop rate is the same It still wouldnt be too much of an advantage. I'm going to assume it's 4k though.

The more i think about it, the more pissed off im getting...
I was fine with the normal 4m a bag. or even the occasional 15-20m a bag. But a consistent 24m...
And if they are less than 4k thats definitely not okay -.- at 4k it's perfectly reasonable. Even 2k is a bit reasonable. But 1k is not