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Does Wind Piercing help Bowmasters at all?

I was wondering whether a UA bowmaster was better with Irena's Wind Piercing rather than Ultimate Inferno. Does it help their "horrid" mobbing even a little? Also, why do people say that Ultimate Inferno is pretty bad?

October 17, 2012

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TribalEMP

@ketchup11: sorry, wind pierce... i'm gonna need your badge. clear your office by the end of the hour and have a NICE day!

Reply October 22, 2012
ketchup11

[quote=TribalEMP]@froogle: isnt 2000% a bit overkill? it's spread along 4 lines of dmg, isnt it?[/quote]
it's also got a pretty long delay.
normal(6)1200ms

compared to the non charge archer mob skills like inferno which at normal(6) are 810ms. (it's still much stronger though)

also, the revamp to loltimate inferno during hyperskills will eventually make it (maxed)640--> 960% spread out on 4 hits, so wind pierce won't be able to replace it damage wise anymore in the near future.

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
Lane

[quote=iVege]Nope, you didn't mention that Wind Piercing was stronger per shot. I know you were talking about level 1 Ultimate Inferno, but like I said already, normal Inferno already beats level 5 Irena's Wind Piercing. Did you time the skills in how long it took to kill a Crocky in seconds? Or did you use other methods?[/quote]

Oh okay, I did mean to say that Wind Pierce was stronger per shot when compared to inferno. I did time both skills in seconds when I was killing crockies, and Wind Pierce did kill crockies faster than inferno. The gap in damage just grew bigger as I moved to stronger monsters like in stronghold. Also, I did say that I haven't played my bowmaster in awhile. The last revamp that I played my bowmaster was sometime around ascension, so I'm unaware of any of the new changes that may have applied to inferno in recent updates. That may be the very reason why my Wind Pierce was stronger than inferno before, as I haven't played my bowmaster recently (the past 4 or 5 months) :S.

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
TribalEMP

@froogle: isnt 2000% a bit overkill? it's spread along 4 lines of dmg, isnt it?

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
Wintermelon

It may seem useful during 2nd job from 50-70, but you're better off using Arrow Bomb for its stun

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
Takeback3r

[quote=iVege]Wind Piercing pierces instead of splashing and is neutral element.[/quote]

The number 1 thing people forget when comparing wind piercing and ultimate inferno.

Aka the most obvious thing that no bowmaster realizes until someone from a completely different goddamn class makes the point.

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
iVege

[quote=Lane]I'm pretty sure I said Wind Pierce does more damage per shot and yes, I would agree with you that Inferno does beat Wind Pierce over time. It just so happened that I only have level 1 Ultimate inferno at the moment, and when I do train at LHC mobs like crockies, Wind Pierce outdamages my Ultimate inferno in the long run for some reason. Not to say that you are wrong, it's just that Wind Pierce is doing better for me than Ultimate Inferno at the moment because it's only level 1. Unless of course, Inferno received some kind of attack speed increase. I haven't actually touched my bowmaster in quite awhile, so I probably missed a few things. Regardless of that though, I'll still support your insight.[/quote]

Nope, you didn't mention that Wind Piercing was stronger per shot. I know you were talking about level 1 Ultimate Inferno, but like I said already, normal Inferno already beats level 5 Irena's Wind Piercing. Did you time the skills in how long it took to kill a Crocky in seconds? Or did you use other methods?

Reply October 19, 2012 - edited
SillyBox

[quote=TribalEMP]nobody said anything about pirates. he asked a simple question regarding bowmasters and wind pierce.
gist: wind piercing is MUCH slower than UI, you can cast UI about 3+ times before using wind pierce twice.
besides, the UA version of it doesnt drain HP, so it's useless.[/quote]

He was bringing up pirates to point out that UI sucks compared to other classes' mob attacks

Reply October 18, 2012 - edited
Lane

[quote=iVege]It's the other way around. Wind Pierce does more damage per shot and therefore more burst damage. Useful if you fall off a platform or something.

Ultimate Inferno, and even normal Inferno already beats Irena's Wind Piercing over time. This is [b]not[/b] including the burn DoT.

HOWEVER, on top of burst damage, Wind Piercing pierces instead of splashing and is neutral element.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I said Wind Pierce does more damage per shot and yes, I would agree with you that Inferno does beat Wind Pierce over time. It just so happened that I only have level 1 Ultimate inferno at the moment, and when I do train at LHC mobs like crockies, Wind Pierce outdamages my Ultimate inferno in the long run for some reason. Not to say that you are wrong, it's just that Wind Pierce is doing better for me than Ultimate Inferno at the moment because it's only level 1. Unless of course, Inferno received some kind of attack speed increase. I haven't actually touched my bowmaster in quite awhile, so I probably missed a few things. Regardless of that though, I'll still support your insight.

Reply October 18, 2012 - edited
Trigonometry

Thanks for the answers, everyone.

Reply October 18, 2012 - edited
iVege

[quote=Lane]From my experience, I actually used wind pierce often for mobbing. I only have level 1 Ultimate Inferno, and when compared to Wind Pierce, I do higher damage over time with Wind Pierce even when I factor in Ultimate Inferno's damage over time. It's somewhat significantly higher, and somewhat not, you'll see a larger difference when you kill monsters with much more hp.

To answer your question, it does help a Bowmaster's horrid mobbing by a little bit, more noticeably on higher level monsters. This is assuming you have maxed Wind Piercing and level 1 Ultimate Inferno, as this is the current build I have, therefore this is all I can test.

If you had a higher level Ultimate Inferno however, it's likely to do more damage than Wind Pierce because of its faster firing speed and it's extra damage over time effect.

Hopefully this answers your question and clear up a bit how Ultimate Inferno may compare to Wind Pierce. [/quote]

It's the other way around. Wind Pierce does more damage per shot and therefore more burst damage. Useful if you fall off a platform or OHKOing.

Ultimate Inferno, and even normal Inferno already beats Irena's Wind Piercing over time. This is [b]not[/b] including the burn DoT.

HOWEVER, on top of burst damage, Wind Piercing pierces instead of splashing and is neutral element.

Reply October 18, 2012 - edited
TribalEMP

[quote=mark24]im sorry but he did. just shelf your bm and make a sair. we will welcome you guys with open arms we been through this worst class in game stuff b4 we understand[/quote]
surely the skill can't be THAT bad! i was under the impression that that guy was trolling or something.

Reply October 18, 2012 - edited
Lane

From my experience, I actually used wind pierce often for mobbing. I only have level 1 Ultimate Inferno, and when compared to Wind Pierce, I do higher damage over time with Wind Pierce even when I factor in Ultimate Inferno's damage over time. It's somewhat significantly higher, and somewhat not, you'll see a larger difference when you kill monsters with much more hp.

To answer your question, it does help a Bowmaster's horrid mobbing by a little bit, more noticeably on higher level monsters. This is assuming you have maxed Wind Piercing and level 1 Ultimate Inferno, as this is the current build I have, therefore this is all I can test.

If you had a higher level Ultimate Inferno however, it's likely to do more damage than Wind Pierce because of its faster firing speed and it's extra damage over time effect.

Hopefully this answers your question and clear up a bit how Ultimate Inferno may compare to Wind Pierce.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
mark24

[quote=TribalEMP]nobody said anything about pirates. he asked a simple question regarding bowmasters and wind pierce.
gist: wind piercing is MUCH slower than UI, you can cast UI about 3+ times before using wind pierce twice.
besides, the UA version of it doesnt drain HP, so it's useless.[/quote]

im sorry but he did. just shelf your bm and make a sair. we will welcome you guys with open arms we been through this worst class in game stuff b4 we understand

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
steven7x23

it sucks

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
TribalEMP

[quote=lansh]pirate skills do 2000% damage at the same speed.....you decide[/quote]

nobody said anything about pirates. he asked a simple question regarding bowmasters and wind pierce.
gist: wind piercing is MUCH slower than UI, you can cast UI about 3+ times before using wind pierce twice.
besides, the UA version of it doesnt drain HP, so it's useless.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
lansh

pirate skills do 2000% damage at the same speed.....you decide

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
twopointonefour

It's probably the only skill worse than ultimate inferno.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
jh92

[quote=mark24]balrog pq? o.o wtf lmao[/quote]

Expedition in sleepywood, this is where people get Bain weapons from.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
mark24

balrog pq? o.o wtf lmao

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
mark24

i loved the job but i could only take so much. man bm are bad. rip my original bowmaster and my remake lmao

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
abgl015

Wind piercing is a slow atk, only hits in horizontal, only 1 hit, not that usefull.
About inferno it doesnt suck, but once you compare the skill speed, number of hits, monsters hit and dmg% with other jobs mobbing skills, it does suck.

Basically the only ones who have a BM these days are ppl who do love the job.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
mark24

it hits 1 time just like inferno so its useless. sucks to be a bm seriously. i deleted mine

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
ketchup11

It's the only BM skill with a horizontal piercing range instead of AoE/splash, so I guess if you want to kill a mob of widely-spaced snails or something...

But for damage, it's pretty much useless.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
NoNsensical

It's pretty much useless.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
Pheonixsblaze

It's useless for damage, but it looks good

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited
TheHazza

ive seen UA BMs use it, and its useless.

Reply October 17, 2012 - edited