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Sudden increase in number of map looters

In the past few days, I've noticed an increase in the number of people coming into my SH map and asking if they can loot the middle platform. There was even one person who started looting my map without asking. What makes people think this is okay? Firstly, the fact that my pets can't cover the entire map at once doesn't mean the drops are a free-for-all for anyone who enters the map (I clear the map of drops every few minutes). Secondly, I have a kanna on the middle platform and someone else standing there can get my kanna killed. It's happened before and they didn't even apologize.

Learn some manners, folks. Don't start looting someone else's map unless they give you explicit permission to. There are plenty of open maps when it's not 2x, find one and get your own drops instead of being lazy and leeching off someone else's work.

May 19, 2015

47 Comments • Newest first

zEric7x

[quote=GlobalKorean]To be quite frank.. It says Second Drill Hall... Not "Undexme's Map DO NOT ENTER"[/quote]
This is my main argument against this. You can not play a MMO and expect to own a map because you are there. If this was the case then GMs would be lots stricter on kill stealing and from I seen they are not.

Reply May 20, 2015
MrSpeculoos808

[quote=Undexme]@eskomobob5 There are literally 10+ open channels at any given non-2x time. It's actually takes MORE effort to specifically locate my map than happen upon an empty one.
@MrSpeculoos808 I see your point, but I have to disagree. It's impossible to pick up every drop on the map right away simply because the map's too big. By your logic, because I cannot kill every single monster in the map immediately when it spawns, KSing would be justified. I don't own the map, and nothing prevents you from coming in and messing around, but it's common courtesy to use an empty map if there is one. Even if there isn't one, you shouldn't KS or steal other people's loot.
@CherryTigers Ignore that troll, he likes to spend his free time picking fights on Basil.[/quote]

So which is why you can't have the best of both worlds. Decide if you want to kill a monster->grab that corresponding loot>reapeat. OR mob a few monsters over the map-> grab loot ->repeat. Problem with the second option is since you are taking the time to mob over the map the time allowance for the dropped item is ticking. You have your chance to pick up the items, if you are unable to do so. Well throw a rope over my shoulder and call me lucy, my pets or I are going to grab that item! (for actual ref. I dont actually do this but this is the way I view things)

Reply May 20, 2015
Tricks122

I don't see a problem if people aren't looting the maps they kill in; it's polite to ask, but the difference here is that your drops have expired and can be freely looted. People idling on the map shouldn't really be an argument as to why others shouldn't loot; if they aren't at their keyboard, they(Or you) shouldn't be complaining if they get killed.

I don't see how it's inconsiderate. What classes can stay in one spot and mob forever? Chances are you have to move, take the opportunity to loot. Not everyone can solo a map as well as the people who one shot, some people bot/idle train(I wouldn't bother asking 3+ times and if I'm concerned with efficiency, that's a huge increase) and most importantly, the drops are not yours. The difference between a map being yours and drops being yours is that kill-stealing is against the Terms of Service and drops have a certain amount of time they belong to you, which is hard coded and shows that you have ownership for that exact time. Maps are an issue that is more moral than drops, since drops have coded rules of ownership.

This is honestly the first time I see anyone complain about looters(Barring the killing Kanna/Bishop mules, but they should be paying attention), since I've never seen anyone whine about this before in my several years of Maple. It was generally understood that if someone allows drops to pile up, they don't care if someone loots them. If you asked them to stop looting that's fine, but it's like... this has been an accepted practice and nobody's complained before, so assuming someone is fine with it, particularly when the drops are actually, unarguably, yours for a while is... well, sort of likely.

Reply May 20, 2015
KnuckleBrown

I agree with OP that the people who do these things are being inconsiderate. With that being said though, the game does provide a first-come first-served basis for the drop system. Drops are exclusively yours for a certain amount of time and after which it is made available to the rest of the players. Until the changes are made to the system all you're really left with is the eternal philosophical debate of:

"is it right for someone to claim ownership over what the game makes available for everyone?"

and

"if the game allows it and the ToS permits it, how can it be wrong?"

The answers to both of those questions are most likely subjective to one's own morals and is thus, a gray issue. Only the game design can set the actual rules, so definitely get this across to the community managers or whoever relays info back to the Nexon devs.

Reply May 20, 2015 - edited
GlobalKorean

To be quite frank.. It says Second Drill Hall... Not "Undexme's Map DO NOT ENTER"

Reply May 20, 2015 - edited
VividTsuki

I had the same problem during the nut coin event. It's annoying and most of the time even if I asked them nicely to cc they would ignore me. Had they asked nicely whether they could loot or not, I'd be more inclined to let them stay. I ended up just ccing if that happened so they get no loot and I can get a looter free channel. Since you're in Windia that might not be an option but you can try training at less populated maps and going offline (yes, I even had people tracking me to loot off). Otherwise get a buddy to loot and be there to tell the other looters to cc. That can help too. Everyone's out for their own though, so all you can probably do is loot the middle platform often to discourage the looters, or even if they don't leave, you'll have the satisfaction of watching them waste their time in barely getting any loot.

Reply May 20, 2015 - edited
madsimba

I think you've got the whole concept of Maplestory completely wrong. You're playing a free MMORPG with a community which mainly consists of premature adolescents who play this game solely for self-enjoyment. Anywho, addressing your issue, you're getting a sense of annoyance when someone else loots the items that you'll probably never loot. Sounds to me that you're an insecure, butt hurt brat that created a post on a forum expressing their frustration against kids who don't show "manners" over an online game. If you're playing Maplestory and expecting people to show affection and manners to you, just quit now. Having that said, please re-evaluate yourself and ask yourself one more time, and this time really think and reflect on your opinion; do you really expect a kid to ask for your consent to loot virtual currency off of you?

Reply May 20, 2015 - edited
Kuri

I thought this was a joke.... seriously LOL

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
ismael20

your argument is valid but people are free to go wherever they want to go but that if people are going to be as you say looters in some cases pick up the items but this and if done with bad intension bone as cause for the kanna die thing that happens to me from time to time ... it's okay to pick up that nobody forbids but put to invade attacking your ch is something else
Looters could say in this case people do not know respect is hopeless.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
TrumanB

[quote=Undexme]
@MrSpeculoos808 I see your point, but I have to disagree. It's impossible to pick up every drop on the map right away simply because the map's too big. By your logic, because I cannot kill every single monster in the map immediately when it spawns, KSing would be justified. I don't own the map, and nothing prevents you from coming in and messing around, but it's common courtesy to use an empty map if there is one. Even if there isn't one, you shouldn't KS or steal other people's loot. [/quote]

Sorry to say, but you sort of actually missed his point. If you're unable to pick up the items under the amount of time Nexon has given you before another person can take it, then under that amount of time you could have just ignored him and continued on with killing more monsters---> which would have given even more drops your pet can pick up + exp.

While it's true, it isn't the most polite thing to do, but it really isn't even that bad- it's on the lowest spectrum of being rude... they don't have to actually ask your permission to do it.

It's sort of like... being in a job where you get benefits based on the amount of customers you make. If you're already occupied with another customer, and can't get to a different customer waiting in your line and a co-worker decides to take that customer, then it's fair game.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Belzier

[quote=DreanBurster]To everyone saying the map doesn't belong to him

By your logic, if you get KS'd by literally anyone, anywhere, you can't complain, since the map [i]isn't your's.[/i] Okay? Okay.[/quote]

I do not condone KSing, but the argument can be made that many of the people "claiming ownership" of maps cannot handle the full spawn. When someone tries to solo a DH2 map on 2x, but is obviously not capable of handling even half the spawn, then claims they get more exp solo than duoing / sharing and clearing 100% of the monsters quickly... I find that unbearably rude. I don't KS them, although I will admit that I have almost wanted to.

The argument can be made from both sides that the other is being rude, even with this looting thing (although not all cases are justifiable).

I'm not really sure how one would go about creating / spreading a social norm concerning who has to ask to loot or ask for the people to leave first, but it seems to me like this is a currently newer, small issue that could grow into a bigger issue later on.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
gotit

Just as you cant stop ksing in the old days and you cant stop loot stealing nowadays (ls=new ks?), meh just get over it.

reset kana ap and add it all to hp, if its gonna be a perm kishin mule might as well make her healthy.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
zionzx

While using the Service, you agree not to: Engage in rude, unlawful, harassing, vulgar, obscene, hateful, threatening, abusive or otherwise objectionable behavior, including, without limitation, looting, kill stealing, making sexual comments and/or cursing.

Haha, so I guess as long as you aren't rude about looting or kill stealing, it's free for all. .

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
DreanBurster

To everyone saying the map doesn't belong to him

By your logic, if you get KS'd by literally anyone, anywhere, you can't complain, since the map [i]isn't your's.[/i] Okay? Okay.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

@eskomobob5 There are literally 10+ open channels at any given non-2x time. It's actually takes MORE effort to specifically locate my map than happen upon an empty one.
@MrSpeculoos808 I see your point, but I have to disagree. It's impossible to pick up every drop on the map right away simply because the map's too big. By your logic, because I cannot kill every single monster in the map immediately when it spawns, KSing would be justified. I don't own the map, and nothing prevents you from coming in and messing around, but it's common courtesy to use an empty map if there is one. Even if there isn't one, you shouldn't KS or steal other people's loot.
@CherryTigers Ignore that troll, he likes to spend his free time picking fights on Basil.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Masterobert

Back when I was training, I agree that it can be frustrating when others randomly come and start looting without asking. For me, it became so bad that people were stealing loot from each other. If it makes you feel like they don't deserve to take your drops, make them give something in return. I took advantage of this back during the Nut coin event by asking for the enjoyable winters they got. I'm going to say though, nobody really does have to ask you if they can loot or not. It will be rude of them, but there's nothing stopping them. All you can do is nicely ask them not to.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
CherryTigers

@enterme As of now, I have accomplished everything that I've wanted to on this game so I'm just playing it as a casual since I'll be starting grad school and moving out in a few months.

Yes, I have the funds to boss on 5 characters, but since I am not interested in making money out of this game and since I do not have any other way to get rid of my mesos, I just fund more characters for fun.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Shangz

I agree bro

That's why I fully clear all loot every time I buff.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
MrSpeculoos808

I'm sorry I can see your point but...I don't completely agree with it. If you want to kill some monsters and want to loot the items you should do it then and there. You can't have the best of both worlds sometimes. The items have a time allowance limit that grants you the ability to pick it up than some random afk person with pets. If you can't pick it up within the time limit and someone else does too bad, there will be more drops it is not the end of the world. With the topic of causing additional lag with the additional chair and afk person and pets going all over the place....I mean it is a game there are recommend specs...if you know your computer can't fully handle the game then be prepared to die a few times on a character I see your point and I certainly hope you see mine. Maps belong to no one...not me...not you...not those henehoes with the purrty hair either.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
CherryTigers

I can't tell why people are justifying bad manners simply because it's "not against the rules." Yes, a lot of things are "not against the rules," but it's a matter of principle and not being a rude ass.
"You don't own this map." With that kind of logic, KSing would be justified.

And what's with the unjustified hate of rich people and high leveled people?
You're rich, therefore you hacked/scammed.
You're high leveled, therefore you macroed.

Just because you failed doesn't mean other people will also not be able to accomplish their goals.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
PressF13

[quote=Undexme]What makes people think this is okay?[/quote]

The fact that Nexon agrees that it is okay, and they have 110% authority over the rules of Maplestory.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
eskomobob5

How is it suddenly YOUR map? If you're there then you're there but if someone else comes, they can loot and kill whatever they want. Theres what, 22 channels? Over 1000 people on at one time and you expect people to not loot. Lol goodluck with that!

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
whatthejew

It has gotten pretty nuts, but meh... I have maybe 3 weeks left of drill hell then I will never step foot into that place again.... zzz
If you need leaves, I can give you some if looters are taking too much off ya.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
ayeNICK

[quote=wanker]@enterme: You've got me there. Check mate. I've been conquered, crushed, overcame. My life does not exist as I spend my free time online partaking in leisure activity, rather than spending my free time on netflix (still online) or watching the ball game, or slamming back cold beers with the bro's, or finding molly at the rave. My life is meaningless because more than half my waking hours are filled by my leisure activity of choice. Good day, sir.[/quote]

lololololol, the amount of confidence one can get from being high ranked in galacia

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

@wanker Don't argue with him, his only intention is to try to make you angry. Just message a moderator with a link to this thread and he'll get suspended.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
ayeNICK

@Undexme: you think ur gonna stop ppl from looting ur map? lolololol

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
zionzx

Sharing is caring :]

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
TrumanB

[quote=wanker]Without him attacking there, there would be no drops to pick up.
Also, weren't you quitting a few weeks ago along with bashing the game? What happened with that?[/quote]

Accidentally liked your post.. but w/e lol. With that principal, If he actually picked up the drops (regardless of covering the whole map), there would be little drops for that guy to pick up. Many of the items will most likely expire. That's like some rich guy buying a bunch of burgers and gets too full to eat all of them, then goes to throw it out and is disgusted by a hobo picking it up.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
PinkInkMoo

First people make a huge deal about ksing, then make a huge deal about hacking and botting, and now it's about looting? It's Maplestory, nothing's ever going to go your way, and complaining won't do you much justice. Welcome to online gaming!

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Caeg

This thread is such a mess.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
TrumanB

LOL... who cares. Back before big bang all the noobs looted off the lvl 50's training on sakura cellions. (easy 100k ). If you have access to drops before they do (for a few seconds), and they end up picking it up while you didn't... stop crying about it... your pet most likely can't even pick up fast enough anyways- thus some will end up disappearing.
Tell your Kanna to get a tall chair... even my aquarius chair from starworld would suffice, but get the saturn and neptune chairs if you really want... It's their fault if they die.

Since when did people actually care about people looting lol... I understand ksing, hacking, and spamming, but this...

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
aapjestan2

[quote=Undexme]I don't always have access to two computers. When this happens, I buy kishin service, and I can't control how much attention they pay.
This is all somewhat beside the point, though.[/quote]

well if you buy kishin service and the person selling to you and they die its their own fng fault u pay them to do something they dont cuz they die should be mad at them

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Crizit

[quote=Undexme]It gets killed in 2 hits. Also, it isn't always my kanna.[/quote]

Weak kanna.
http://i.imgur.com/HiM5jHT.png
LEARN FROM PROS

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

[quote=aapjestan2]i really dont see the problem when i train in sdh with a buddy he uses his hsmule and he controls both his chars and the same time and pays attention to both so i dont see why u cannot?[/quote]

I don't always have access to two computers. When this happens, I buy kishin service, and I can't control how much attention they pay.
This is all somewhat beside the point, though.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
aapjestan2

[quote=Undexme]@DoctorSilent Who said the kanna was under my control?
@aapjestan2 If the looter causes any damage to a mob on the platform, the mob will use the ranged attack which sometimes hits the kanna.[/quote]

i really dont see the problem when i train in sdh with a buddy he uses his hsmule and he controls both his chars and the same time and pays attention to both so i dont see why u cannot?

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
bdah

Just tell them to get out and go somewhere else. I'm sure they will do so. The reason why they don't ask is because 99% of people don't care if you loot, don't say anything, and let you go about your business. In fact, I start conversing with them sometimes and yay! we're both having fun. So because you're that 1% doesn't mean that you're special.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
JetlagJag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LywX-qfBek ?

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

@DoctorSilent Who said the kanna was under my control?
@aapjestan2 If the looter causes any damage to a mob on the platform, the mob will use the ranged attack which sometimes hits the kanna.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
hongfung

Just summon haku once in a while. He'll save you.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
aapjestan2

[quote=Undexme]It gets killed in 2 hits. Also, it isn't always my kanna.[/quote]

try buffing once in a while maybe it wont die that fast and if someone is looting there where the loot drops in the middle and ur kanna is a play higher how can that person get your kanna killed if he is just looting

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
DoctorSilent

Get a flying mount for kanna, fly, xform, cast Kishin. I can assume you're rich enough to do so.
As for your looters, boohoo. Its like 50 leaves, cry moar.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

[quote=aapjestan2]maybe u should pay more attention to your kanna then[/quote]

It gets killed in 2 hits. Also, the kanna isn't always under my control.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
aapjestan2

[quote=Undexme]It's a matter of principle. Don't be lazy and loot someone else's map when you can go find your own.
Also, if you're going to get my kanna killed, I'm not letting you stay there.[/quote]

maybe u should pay more attention to your kanna then

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

[quote=ayeNICK]what are you actually crying about? losing some leaves? lololol[/quote]

It's a matter of principle. Don't be lazy and loot someone else's map when you can go find your own.
Also, if you're going to get my kanna killed, I'm not letting you stay there.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Seatillite

@wanker I can imagine the NPC's don't visit too often in GAZED

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
ayeNICK

what are you actually crying about? losing some leaves? lololol

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited
Undexme

[quote=wanker]I'm with you on this, but in GAZED I rarely get someone rude enough to loot without asking.[/quote]

It's not even something that anyone should ask in the first place unless they're a friend. If I don't know you, why should I let you afk in the middle of my map and take my drops? This is similar to KSing; I'm not going to share my map with you or let you join my party to leech if you're a stranger.

Reply May 19, 2015 - edited