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[quote=loveliftedmee]@antisenpai - I choose you! - Use help![/quote]

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OT: Shadower low funds, Dual Blade around 1.5mil range is good, can do at least 20 mils and that's good enough to solo all cra cept Cvel (Without skill) can solo Hmag and Hellux with that range too.

I'd use Shadower up till that point, if not NL for training.

[quote=loveliftedmee]@antisenpai - I choose you! - Use help![/quote]

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@76WaysToDie The Japanese katara has one more slot and it will benefit nicely with a 15% spell trace (9 attack more) or prime scroll (10 attack more) than a 9 slots katara even if they had above average stats it would still give more attack.

So if you decide to become a DB, determine which scrolls you are going to use to scroll a Japanese katara. I scrolled 3 above avg with primes because I couldn't find a +4 one. I did find one the next day but I already landed two primes on my 3 above avg katara. And from my calculations the end result still remained as 1 attack difference so it wasn't worth it to start scrolling on the +4, also because it wasn't that easy to scroll. It required a lot of protections and primes are limited.

I also calculated on different base weapon attack kataras when scrolling with primes.

Clean and 1 above loses too much attack compared to +2~+5 above avg when scrolling with primes.

If you decide to 15% spell trace it, calculate beforehand if you can benefit from any above avg stats. Kataras with avg ~ +2 stats are easier to find than +3~5 above avg stats. This way you can determine which clean weapon you need.

@76WaysToDie: It has 10 slots with hammers, the fafnir has 9. Do the math. It's also cheaper in most cases, and comes epic.

[quote=minchuzuk3]@76WaysToDie The lvl 150 tsukuyomi one.[/quote]

Why that one and not the Fafnir one though? I'm confused.. D;

[quote=therebegold]bear in mind the new thief changes coming, such as the 5 second cool down on meso explosion, final cut giving 60% damage boost only on the monster(s) it is used on etc...[/quote]

max/orangemushroomblog actually messed up on that translation and fixed it. the translation actually says that it will give you the 60% dmg increase without having to charge the skill up all the way.

bear in mind the new thief changes coming, such as the 5 second cool down on meso explosion, final cut giving 60% damage boost only on the monster(s) it is used on etc...

@76WaysToDie The lvl 150 tsukuyomi one.

So.... what katara's do DB's usually scroll before they transpose to Sweet water?

DB's ideal secondary is sweet water katara and its actually cost more than clean khnajar and if you were to scroll a kat and transpose to sweet waterkatara for that one time tradeable use then you gotta hunt for a good above average japanese katara if you want to have a top top katara. but If youre not really aiming for perfection you can just scroll one and equip like me lol. i did not bother with all the hassle cus 20-22atk wasnt worth the wait for me.

Thank you for everyone's replies! But aren't DB's a little bit cheaper than Shadowers because of the Dkhanjars...?

I think ou should make both classes and try t out and see which playstyl you prefer and watch some videos.
If you want slow and steady pick Shad for that boomerang and assassinate
if you want fast and sudden burst of damage go for DB as DB attacks faster and the 60 second asura really do turn people on <3 <3 <3.
I got some DB vids if you want to take a preview of DB and you can check out Jacktheshadower or ckkkvid on youtube for their shadower videos.

my opinion is biased so I'll probably wont say anything. (DB's cause we can equip 3 daggers )

@AntiSenpai: maybe you're more suited to answer this, since you're playing both classes

@aeswag: I only said this becuase usually people come back to
ask on Basil whether they should job change for more damage with x
amounts of funds.
It saves them the trouble.

Shadowers are probably the coolest class out right now.

[quote=Endurance]I can pink bean without using any HP pots at all, while the other dual blade guy died at the aries statue[/quote]

1. Nobody cares about HP Pots. Just do RA once a day and that'll supply you with enough to at the very least last the rest of the day but most likely a whole week.

2. DB can PB just fine. All it takes is a little more time because you have to attack with sudden raid and vampire or be really good at timing DR on the statue. Asura also works as long as you don't use Blade Clone now that it doesn't activate DR.

I can pink bean without using any HP pots at all, while the other dual blade guy died at the aries statue

@Omniscient1: Shads became more agile after the revamp. I do agree with you that before the revamp Shads were clunky and boring

@crazypoorer: Ah okay well maybe they got more crit after the revamp. I know that prior to the revamp they had zero crit and was virtually impossible to get high crit rate. Like I said idk about after the revamp since I never tried playing one again.

[quote=Omniscient1]This is all about what sort of taste do you prefer. You want a slow but strong class to play? A class that isn't as flashy but can show huge numbers then choose Shadowers. You want to be fast, flashy, and have very good damage but in small numbers then choose DB. Both classes will be expensive either way if you are trying to make it godly. So don't matter about which class is more expensive. I personally do not like Shadowers. I find them too slow and boring to play. Last time I played them they had no crit either. Idk about after the revamp though since I never tried it after the revamp.[/quote]

I basically have 100% crit rate without items or SE

This is all about what sort of taste do you prefer. You want a slow but strong class to play? A class that isn't as flashy but can show huge numbers then choose Shadowers. You want to be fast, flashy, and have very good damage but in small numbers then choose DB. Both classes will be expensive either way if you are trying to make it godly. So don't matter about which class is more expensive. I personally do not like Shadowers. I find them too slow and boring to play. Last time I played them they had no crit either. Idk about after the revamp though since I never tried it after the revamp.

Don't go Shad boring af.

My completely non-biased opinion (/sarcasm) is shadower. If you'd like something else to consider for your decision, keep in mind the upcoming changes to the classes in KMS that will affect us in another 6 months. The changes to both DBs and Shads maybe help influence the way you think.

You'll have to watch your hp more carefully with a Dual Blader as they're more delicate than a Shadower. The rest will come down with which type of game play you prefer the most.

[quote=grap3rr]Don't get me wrong for telling you about funds, but honestly in the end this is all it boils down to.[/quote]

No. In the end it all boils down to which class a person likes more. Yes, funding can be a factor but why fund a class that you don't like to play.

To OP: Make both and decide which one you'd rather play. Since they're both thieves and they both use daggers if you want to switch later on you can use a job advancement coin on whichever one your main currently is to switch to the other and if it's DB -> Shad you'll have to make a new shield and if it's Shad -> DB then you'll have to make a new Katara. When compared to switching from a Warrior -> Thief it's really not as big of a deal.

On a scale of funding from 1-10( being no funding)
Good DB: 7-9
Good Shad:0-10
If u are willing to spend a craps ton of money, as in like godly funds might as well
go for shad.
DB are expensive also if u want to do as much damage as a semi funded shad

Don't get me wrong for telling you about funds, but honestly in the
end this is all it boils down to.