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NameSpoof Level 203 Bera Blade Master
Is there anyone here who is really into there religion, something like an extremist or just a heavy believer. Just wondering as most people i know say they're religious but don't know much about it.
Posted: October 2013 Permalink

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FriedSnake Level 42 Broa Angelic Buster 2
I was a Buddhist, but I'm irreligious now because Ive never cared much for religion
Oct 27 2013
katrie Level 162 Windia Evan 10th Growth
We live, we are people. I feel like religion just corrupts people. I'm mostly an atheist, although the possibility of God exists in my head?

I dislike it when people shove their religions in other people's faces, though. I just don't see the importance of religion, nor do I care really. It only becomes a problem when people start talking to me about Jesus or whatever, thinking that I'm Christian. I go to chapel four days a week because my school requires it, but often times I don't sing the hymns because it's just about how you should always follow Jesus Christ. They read passages from the gospel of luke, but quite frankly I do not care. They "accept" all religions, but they make us all listen to their religion. Idk, I love my school and I'm grateful there aren't mandatory religion classes, but all that Christianity gets annoying!

That being said, I'm fine with all religions as long as they keep it to themselves. They can do whatever the hell they want.
Oct 27 2013
goatman0079 Level 152 Arcania Night Walker 4
I'm kinda wondering what I am, because I'm not religious but I'm not athiest. If anything, I'm like a little bit of everything, Atheism included.
Oct 28 2013
achyif Level 172 Windia Night Lord See what games, anime & art achyif is intoachyif
well I mean people can be religious without dedicating every one of their waking hours to it, right?....
so they wouldn't need extensive knowledge?.....

idk belief isn't something that can be easily logically explained...
Oct 28 2013
TehRaygunicorn Level 151 Scania Dark Knight
No one remembers Mindstormer?

He was pretty awesome.
Oct 28 2013
Aeronomx Level 174 Scania Corsair
I will not take religion seriously until it is proven of what is preached is true, that's why I am an Agnostic. This does not mean that I go out flaming on hard core religious people, sometimes I just like to know what they think. As for those who say everything in the Bible is true, I can see how some of them might think that. I have read some pages from it and it is a really good book, but to me it stands as nothing more than a really good novel.
Oct 28 2013
UAPaladin Level 210 Windia Night Walker 4
I'm religious, but not overly-so. I've been going to Catholic Schools for the past 12 years, where there is a daily mandatory religion class, so I know a lot about my religion. I constantly waver between whether I believe this stuff or not, but regardless, I'll raise my kids Catholic, because whether it's true or not, it's great guidelines for how to live your life, and all it really requires from you is 1 hour out of every Sunday (though most people don't go every Sunday, myself included). While I am religious, I'd never try to go out and actively convert people. It really annoys me when the people ring your doorbell trying to get you to convert, and all that does anyways is make people mad at the people (and consequently, that religion) who do that sort of thing. It also annoys me though when atheists try to convince everybody who's religious that they're wrong; they're basically doing the same thing as those people who ring your doorbell: actively trying to get people to convert to your religion (or lack thereof). Nobody will ever be able to definitively prove that God is or isn't real with substantial facts. Something else that annoys me is ignorant people. This can apply to religious people or atheists, like for atheists, when they think that we think that God is "some magic man in the sky" (@Psychopathic), or when Catholics believe that gays are evil (I know that this isn't exactly what they say, but this is the easiest way for me to explain it), or that anybody who's not Catholic will go to hell.

Sorry if this made me sound overly religious; I was just trying to explain some things.
Oct 28 2013
Psychopathic Level 165 Bera Evan 10th Growth
I'm religious, but not overly-so. I've been going to Catholic Schools for the past 12 years, where there is a daily mandatory religion class, so I know a lot about my religion. I constantly waver between whether I believe this stuff or not, but regardless, I'll raise my kids Catholic, because whether it's true or not, it's great guidelines for how to live your life, and all it really requires from you is 1 hour out of every Sunday (though most people don't go every Sunday, myself included). While I am religious, I'd never try to go out and actively convert people. It really annoys me when the people ring your doorbell trying to get you to convert, and all that does anyways is make people mad at the people (and consequently, that religion) who do that sort of thing. It also annoys me though when atheists try to convince everybody who's religious that they're wrong; they're basically doing the same thing as those people who ring your doorbell: actively trying to get people to convert to your religion (or lack thereof). Nobody will ever be able to definitively prove that God is or isn't real with substantial facts. Something else that annoys me is ignorant people. This can apply to religious people or atheists, like for atheists, when they think that we think that God is "some magic man in the sky" (@Psychopathic), or when Catholics believe that gays are evil (I know that this isn't exactly what they say, but this is the easiest way for me to explain it), or that anybody who's not Catholic will go to hell.

Sorry if this made me sound overly religious; I was just trying to explain some things.[/quote]

You don't have to be religious to be exposed to good guidelines. Most parents work really hard to teach their kids to be polite, honest, modest etc without sending them to church every Sunday.
I understand this is on the extreme side of things but just look at all the war and attacks religion has caused, it's only getting worse.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/world/asia/pakistan-church-bombing.html?_r=0
I picked these randomly off the internet, but you get what I mean. Honestly, like I said in my previous post, I find Religion a huge waste of time and lives. I personally believe there is nothing you're being taught by being religious that you can't be taught somewhere else in a less full on way. I also believe that religion is causing more harm than good to children. For example; circumcision and scaring kids away from normal and healthy things such as m4sturb4tion.
The human race no longer needs religion to the extent it has in the past, just look at the "No sex before marriage" rule. Ha.
The time has come for science to take a more prominent role in everyones day to day lives. In my opinion slowly getting rid of religion will improve everyones quality of life and assist the progress of civilisation.

Chapter 15 of 'God is Not Great' by Christopher Hitchens discusses five aspects of religions that are positively immoral:
-Resenting a false picture of the world to the credulous
-The doctrine of blood sacrifice to appease gods (such as by the Aztecs)
-The doctrine of atonement (harming innocent people to atone for sins)
-The doctrine of eternal reward or eternal punishment
-The imposition of impossible tasks or rules (including unhealthy views of sex)

In chapter thirteen, Hitchens addresses the question of whether religious people behave more virtuously than non-religious people (atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers). Hitchens uses the battle against slavery in the United States, and Abraham Lincoln to support his claim that non-religious people battle for moral causes with as much vigor and effect as religious advocates.

I know a lot of this information is completely unrelated to your post. I'm just trying to get my point across that it's time for the world to move on. Religion isn't needed in our civilisation anymore, it's causing more problems than it's fixing. However, I have **absolutely nothing** against people who are religious as long as they're not causing any problems or forcing their beliefs on other people.
Oct 28 2013
UAPaladin Level 210 Windia Night Walker 4
@Psychopathic: I totally understand that religion often causes people to fight (just look at the inquisition), but this is usually because the people who started the fighting are ignorant and misunderstand/misinterpret things about their faith which leads to the fighting (or the religion just gets corrupt). Religion doesn't really waste people's time and lives though, most Christians only spend about an hour every Sunday and maybe 5 minutes or less every night, and most lead completely normal lives, it's usually basically impossible to tell whether someone's religious or not without them doing something very distinctive about their faith (like if a Christian made the sign of the cross for some reason at some point, though there's really no reason for them to do this in the middle of the day). I agree that 90% of the stuff in religion can be taught by atheists, but religion isn't only about being moral. This is going to sound really cheesy, but religion gives us something to strive and hope for, which is the one of the main reasons (there's plenty of other reasons, but I don't feel like listing them here and they're not pertinent to what I'm talking about), if religion is not true, that humanity has made up the concept of religion. There's a bunch of other crap that I could tell you, but it'd sound like I was just BSing you/pulling facts out of nowhere/trying to convert you, which I don't believe in anyways.

EDIT: Circumcision's actually a good thing. It was done before the time of Abraham (if you didn't know, yes, Abraham was a real person, I'm not going to bother proving it right now, look it up if you don't believe me), this just changed how old you are when it happened. Now, many atheists get their children circumcised because it is, actually, much healthier. It prevents bacteria from getting trapped in that area, and just keeps everything cleaner. While I have nothing definite to say against m4sturb4tion and I don't want to go into too much detail, it does cause some damage if you do it too often, though refraining from doing this and sex before marriage is a great exercise of self-control. Who says religion and science can't coexist anyways? They go together fine as long as nobody from either group is too close-minded. We have 4 years of both mandatory science and religion classes in my school, and it's the same in every other catholic school (as far as I know) in my area. We just don't like stem cell research from fetuses (it's fine if they're from adults), but this should be a moral thing that atheists should agree with (at least in my opinion) anyways, killing is killing whether it's a fetus or a human (this brings up abortion, but I don't want to get into it right now, basically the church says it's wrong no matter what, but I believe that there are some extreme cases where it should be okay but there are still other options). Any Christian who rejects science because of anything in the bible up to Abraham is just ignorant or stubborn, because everything up to then isn't meant to be taken literally, and even after that, some of it's figurative.

I've never read that book before, but it sounds like an interesting read. I'm just going to be answering those statements from the view of Christianity because I don't know other religions anywhere near as well. Christians have never had blood sacrifices. Jews (the predecessors of Christianity) had animal sacrifices, but they never had human sacrifices. Lots of them converted to Christianity after Jesus, and there were no more sacrifices after him. Jews stopped doing sacrifices a long time ago too. Contrary to popular belief, religions are flexible, and will change given enough time as long as the change isn't contrary to definite rules (in Christian terms, as long as it doesn't directly contradict anything in the Bible then it'd be ok to slowly change from whatever that tradition was). Christians (as a group, I know that there are some radical individuals) haven't harmed anybody for their sins in a long time. I'm assuming that you're talking about Reconciliation, which nowadays is basically counseling, and 99.9% of the time, the person feels better coming out about themselves than they did coming in. Nobody's been punished for their sins for hundreds of years in the church. Once again, the religion will change to more modern ideals, given enough time. On eternal reward or punishment, I could literally type for days about this and still not get like anything done. This idea is often used to help improve yourself, and become a better person. Heaven and hell in Christianity are different than in other religions though, Heaven isn't a reward necessarily in the physical sense, it's just the eternal union with God, while hell is the eternal separation from God. Honestly though, we don't know how many people, if any at all are in hell. Some believe that lots of people go there, some people believe that not many go there, and some believe that everybody eventually turns towards God once he reveals himself to them in the end so nobody goes to hell (which of course is not true if God was real, as this would take away free will). I'm not totally sure what you're talking about with impossible tasks, because I haven't read the book, but for the unhealthy views of sex, Christians have absolutely nothing against sex, to them it's a great thing, they just believe that it should be reserved for one person, and that it serves two goals: the unification of two people (which of course the act itself does, but this is why we don't believe in m4sturb4tion, and por[n and such), and the creation of life (which basically means no c0nd0ms or anything that would prevent this from happening). I'm not too sure about Abraham Lincoln, but according to this and other sources that I found in my quick search, he wasn't an atheist, though he wasn't a Christian either, though if he was an atheist, it wouldn't mean too much. Whoever said that non-religious people can't battle for moral causes with as much vigor and effect as religious advocates is an idiot. All humans will fight with vigor for what they believe in, it just generally tends to be more of moral things for religious people, but this doesn't mean that atheists can't do the same.

The idea that the world doesn't need religion anymore is an opinion, people on the other side could come up with some reasons why we still needed it. Frankly, I believe that religion will never be eradicated from humanity. Looking across history, humanity seems hardwired, for the most part, to believe that there is a greater power, and they make up a religion around that greater power. Religions will just adapt to the times as needed with the same core ideas as the years go by.

Sorry for this extremely long explanation of everything. I don't want to sound like a hard core bible banger, but I do like to let people know what the other side thinks about what they're talking about, which helps inform them and myself in the process.

EDIT 2: Holy crap that was long. Sorry if there's any typos anywhere, but I'm not going to bother to proofread this whole thing.
Oct 28 2013
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