[quote=sorgarione]not DWs. They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting). WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.[/quote]
i agree with the koc stuff. But dude you must be out of your mind to say that wh are se mules i mean really how do you sound saying that a class with a move just as fast and powerful as hurricane if not faster is just an se mule your out of your mind. Go do some more research on wh b4 sayin idiotic stuff that they have some of the best dpm in the game right now.
@MyMagePwns: umm what about arans? They suck at nearly everything and are not really good at anything. Yes, BaMs are OP, but that's because they are the new best support class, but still have high DPM. They are OP bishops basically. And I didn't know WHs had high DPM, always thought they were a training class, not a bossing class.
[quote=sleepyheadXIII]after chaos they are strong but not as op as before and training wise they get worse. I just think nexon needs to nerfed their bossing dmg a bit, other than that they are ok-ish WH needs to be nerfed tho considering how they basically made the adventurer archers inferior in almost everyway[/quote]
I agree with you, after chaos their training become okay, maybe a BIT more nerf would be nice, because I don't think bossing classes should be good at training AND bossing, OR I think their bossing needs to be nerfed. One or the other. As for WH's, they need a massive nerf on their hurricane-like skill. They train incredibly fast and currently (not including mechanics because they aren't out yet) are the top bossing class.
Ideal DPM against bosses:
1: Mechanic, but they should have WAY slower training, because they have so much hp and damage that they should be a class that trains by single-target damage (mainly soloing bosses.) Obviously their 1st and 2nd job mobbing skills shouldn't be nerfed much, because there aren't many bosses you can train on in 1st and 2nd jobs, but after that they should have far worse mobbing abilities, and they should still be slightly nerfed in terms of single target dpm. 2: Corsair, because of lack of party buffs and VERY slow movement with battleship, and slow training (from what I remember from pre-BB, dunno about post-BB though) 3: Night Lord, because they are the epitome of damage-h0ars, and they have only haste as a party buff, but instead they get mobility and avoidability and pretty decent training to make up for their lower-than-sair-damage. 4: Heroes, because they have high survivability making them an easy class, and even though they train pretty slowly at 3rd job, they are basically the average, easy, bossing class for noobs. They don't need much funding or skill to use, and do averagely well with a party and without. 5: Bowmasters, because they have Sharp Eyes so they are needed in bossing parties, and they also have decent movement speed and avoidability. This class should be THE party bossing class (not including clerics.) 6: The rest, basically being the mobbing classes, and the well-rounded classes.
[quote=MyMagePwns]Mechanics need a MASSIVE nerf. They're so overpowered that they blow everyone's dpm out of the water. Not only that, but most bossing classes are slow at training. Mechanics are quite the opposite. Same with WH, but less so. WH is practically a more training-based version of mechanic, because they are faster moving, and have the second highest dpm against bosses.[/quote]
after chaos they are strong but not as op as before and training wise they get worse. I just think nexon needs to nerfed their bossing dmg a bit, other than that they are ok-ish WH needs to be nerfed tho considering how they basically made the adventurer archers inferior in almost everyway
[quote=sleepyheadXIII]WH should be nerfed or Bowmaster should be buffed a bit Also mechanics should be nerfed only a tiny bit like all crit atk is 80% instead of 95%?[/quote]
Mechanics need a MASSIVE nerf. They're so overpowered that they blow everyone's dpm out of the water. Not only that, but most bossing classes are slow at training. Mechanics are quite the opposite. Same with WH, but less so. WH is practically a more training-based version of mechanic, because they are faster moving, and have the second highest dpm against bosses.
@above, you're fine now, but you get buffed which makes me unhappy. You have to realize that damage is only the tip of the iceberg for training. Mobility is usually much much more useful and a class with high mobility but average damage will train far faster than a class with high damage and average mobility. The only exception to this rule is mechanics, who have low mobility, but such overpowered damage that they can't train slowly if they wanted to.
[quote=sorgarione]not DWs. They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting). WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.[/quote] funny, because if i remember correctly, wh's have the second highest dpm, next to mechanics. both should be nerfed. dw's shouldnt be nerfed, but other ck's should be buffed. dual bladers desperately need a nerf, seeing as how they get BUFFED (despite common belief) in the chaos patches. BaM's need a slight nerf. other than that, everything is fine.
why is so many ppl saying wild hunters we arnt over powered. mayb im not dat funded but im a lvl 102wh and i hit like 20k~40ks. a evan at 90 can hit more then me. and totally dawn warriors
I love how every update DB get nerfed, and immediately people start crying for more DB nerfs. Just because we have more mobility doesn't mean they should nerf us. Same deal with WH. Anyway though, ITT: "Don't nerf my class nerf this one!"
[quote=kirkle]DWS for SURE..and to all of u saying that whs shud get nerfed...whs arent overpowered...their mobility just leads u to make it seem that way....honestly...Battle mages are overpowered[/quote]
not DWs. They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting). WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.
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[quote=sorgarione]not DWs.
They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting).
WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.[/quote]
i agree with the koc stuff. But dude you must be out of your mind to say that wh are se mules i mean really how do you sound saying that a class with a move just as fast and powerful as hurricane if not faster is just an se mule your out of your mind. Go do some more research on wh b4 sayin idiotic stuff that they have some of the best dpm in the game right now.
Everyone should get nerfed. EVERYONE.
[quote=GunDelHel]No job should be nerfed--every other job should just be buffed.[/quote]
this. it is so discouraging get skills downgraded.
my mum lol she 1hko my laptop
@MyMagePwns:
umm what about arans? They suck at nearly everything and are not really good at anything.
Yes, BaMs are OP, but that's because they are the new best support class, but still have high DPM. They are OP bishops basically.
And I didn't know WHs had high DPM, always thought they were a training class, not a bossing class.
[quote=sleepyheadXIII]after chaos they are strong but not as op as before and training wise they get worse. I just think nexon needs to nerfed their bossing dmg a bit, other than that they are ok-ish
WH needs to be nerfed tho considering how they basically made the adventurer archers inferior in almost everyway[/quote]
I agree with you, after chaos their training become okay, maybe a BIT more nerf would be nice, because I don't think bossing classes should be good at training AND bossing, OR I think their bossing needs to be nerfed. One or the other. As for WH's, they need a massive nerf on their hurricane-like skill. They train incredibly fast and currently (not including mechanics because they aren't out yet) are the top bossing class.
Ideal DPM against bosses:
1: Mechanic, but they should have WAY slower training, because they have so much hp and damage that they should be a class that trains by single-target damage (mainly soloing bosses.) Obviously their 1st and 2nd job mobbing skills shouldn't be nerfed much, because there aren't many bosses you can train on in 1st and 2nd jobs, but after that they should have far worse mobbing abilities, and they should still be slightly nerfed in terms of single target dpm.
2: Corsair, because of lack of party buffs and VERY slow movement with battleship, and slow training (from what I remember from pre-BB, dunno about post-BB though)
3: Night Lord, because they are the epitome of damage-h0ars, and they have only haste as a party buff, but instead they get mobility and avoidability and pretty decent training to make up for their lower-than-sair-damage.
4: Heroes, because they have high survivability making them an easy class, and even though they train pretty slowly at 3rd job, they are basically the average, easy, bossing class for noobs. They don't need much funding or skill to use, and do averagely well with a party and without.
5: Bowmasters, because they have Sharp Eyes so they are needed in bossing parties, and they also have decent movement speed and avoidability. This class should be THE party bossing class (not including clerics.)
6: The rest, basically being the mobbing classes, and the well-rounded classes.
[quote=MyMagePwns]Mechanics need a MASSIVE nerf. They're so overpowered that they blow everyone's dpm out of the water. Not only that, but most bossing classes are slow at training. Mechanics are quite the opposite. Same with WH, but less so. WH is practically a more training-based version of mechanic, because they are faster moving, and have the second highest dpm against bosses.[/quote]
after chaos they are strong but not as op as before and training wise they get worse. I just think nexon needs to nerfed their bossing dmg a bit, other than that they are ok-ish
WH needs to be nerfed tho considering how they basically made the adventurer archers inferior in almost everyway
[quote=sleepyheadXIII]WH should be nerfed or Bowmaster should be buffed a bit
Also mechanics should be nerfed only a tiny bit like all crit atk is 80% instead of 95%?[/quote]
Mechanics need a MASSIVE nerf. They're so overpowered that they blow everyone's dpm out of the water. Not only that, but most bossing classes are slow at training. Mechanics are quite the opposite. Same with WH, but less so. WH is practically a more training-based version of mechanic, because they are faster moving, and have the second highest dpm against bosses.
@above, you're fine now, but you get buffed which makes me unhappy. You have to realize that damage is only the tip of the iceberg for training. Mobility is usually much much more useful and a class with high mobility but average damage will train far faster than a class with high damage and average mobility. The only exception to this rule is mechanics, who have low mobility, but such overpowered damage that they can't train slowly if they wanted to.
Why should BaM's get nerfed :S
Mechs.
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WH should be nerfed or Bowmaster should be buffed a bit
Also mechanics should be nerfed only a tiny bit like all crit atk is 80% instead of 95%?
[quote=sorgarione]not DWs.
They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting).
WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.[/quote]
funny, because if i remember correctly, wh's have the second highest dpm, next to mechanics. both should be nerfed. dw's shouldnt be nerfed, but other ck's should be buffed. dual bladers desperately need a nerf, seeing as how they get BUFFED (despite common belief) in the chaos patches. BaM's need a slight nerf. other than that, everything is fine.
why is so many ppl saying wild hunters we arnt over powered. mayb im not dat funded but im a lvl 102wh and i hit like 20k~40ks. a evan at 90 can hit more then me.
and totally dawn warriors
[quote=davidkewl]BaM and Mechanics... just nerf them before they come out to save everyone's trouble[/quote]
BaM are out already and mechanics coming in a little more than a week
BaM and Mechanics... just nerf them before they come out to save everyone's trouble
I love how every update DB get nerfed, and immediately people start crying for more DB nerfs. Just because we have more mobility doesn't mean they should nerf us. Same deal with WH. Anyway though, ITT: "Don't nerf my class nerf this one!"
[quote=AllergicRyu]Mechanics. That is when they come out. XD I heard they were so OP, that one SOLOED zakum in FIVE-TEN MINUTES.[/quote]
5,10 together = 510minutes, WOW DAT SO QUIK!
[quote=kirkle]DWS for SURE..and to all of u saying that whs shud get nerfed...whs arent overpowered...their mobility just leads u to make it seem that way....honestly...Battle mages are overpowered[/quote]
Lol, good one.
not DWs.
They are CKs . They are OPed for a reason: they can only reach 120. In fact, CKs [b]should[/b] be OPed compared to other classes. What really needs a nerf is DBs (which they are getting).
WHs are fair. They KS everyone, but they focus on mobility. At bosses they are SE mules, not damage dealers.
At least I/l mages are getting even STRONGER! *Waves happy flag in a circle*
bandits fo srs
Beginners. 3 snails = definition of over powered
No job should be nerfed--every other job should just be buffed.
DW's and maybe evans earthquake lol
wh, bams (a lil), dbs again, evans, dw
Wild hunter and dark knight!
db is alrdy nerf aren't they?
i rekon dw. they can ks so much with bad equips