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@AngleEstoth Thank you for sharing, and yea I guess you're right about what matters at the end of the day
@battleon456 Lmao yea, that's the reality of it and lol yea GG, dexless sins v max rombots w/ speed ! LEGO!

Once I saw a Kaiser in his Form and started using Gigas wave, I thought,"His attacks are much faster, more lines of damage, and it mobs. While my pathetic QT hits one, and just a skill is plain horrible." I'm using my second job skill more often to use less HP potions."

~ I really did like how we were the best class in CPQ during Pre-Big Bang. Good times on my Assassin.

Nightlord's Log: Day 16 of my return to playing maple.

Today I got on and played a little bit, I was kind of interested in the new update. They call it "Root Abyss", and it has something to do with the old world tree lore. They added four new bosses which were all pretty interesting and flavourful (The music was also very nice, maple always has pretty nice music). Each of the four bosses had a specific and interesting way the players had to go about fighting it, or else they would be defeated rather quickly. My favorite of the bosses was definitely the Crimson Queen, it had a lot of that creepy sort of "castlevania" type atmosphere that I enjoy seeing. Overall I feel like it was a pretty good update and I had a lot of fun chucking C.ilbies at evil clowns and chickens, and at the end of the day that's all that really matters.

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@Chubsin Very unique idea and I must say that I really would be intrigued if nexon spoke about a skill like that for nightlords! Hmm... Avenger with passive drain... Now that's sick! Lol Thanks for sharing
@NotDiet Haha now that's more on the same page as me Those are my only complaints about NL! Lacking survivability, What it takes to fund a NL, and poor mobbing!
@TripleBladez Your points are simply perfect and I've stated the same arguements around basil in various different posts. There's literally nothing I can say other than I completely agree with you. Also, I learned quite a bit from reading your post, about the patches and the small tweaks they did. I wasn't aware that Avenger had gotten buffed at one point, or I feel i was aware but had just forgotten! I can tell you know your stuff Thanks for sharing! +1

Isn't the topic of this thread the purpose of the entire Night Lord section of the forum? Anyways, I just think one skill that makes us unique would be good enough. Whether it's a drain skill or a super pro mobbing skill, I don't really mind. The best would be one that combines both I think. Maybe Avenger with passive drain or a Drain Buff that makes Quad Star pierce like Giga Slasher for Transformed Kaiser?

best job is best mobbing
and NL isn't good in mobbing
although u have high range, but u just hit 1 mob
it same
see shadower or db or phantom, they can hit a lot
i think NL good only for bosses

@Night0fSorrow: Like I said in your other thread, NL's don't have an Avoid Rate multiplier skill, a damage reduction skill, and a DEF/M.DEF increasing skill. Shad's, DB's, Phantoms, and even Xenon have all three to increase their survivability.

Also, Nexon's never been able to revamp NL's properly.

In Big Bang, they had the chance to remove unnecessary skills, but kept them. Ninja Ambush, Ninja Storm, Shadow Web, Shadow Meso were the big four along with Dark Flare, Meso Up, and Taunt to a certain extent.

In Chaos, they increased Avenger's damage, but could've at least added another hit or so to it. They also increased TT's damage from 250% to 293%, but nerfed the TT formula so you did about 15-20% less damage despite the increase in percentages. Useless skills were still kept.

In Justice, Shadow Web, Dark Flare, and Taunt are still here. Dark Flare is like a party skill version of Power Guard where it reflects damage only when you get hit, but a Thief has natural high Avoid, so what was the reason for leaving this skill on NL's? At least tweak the skill to make it work when you activate Shadow Shifter or miss. Since it acts like a party skill, why not give it a secondary effect? Have it increase HP and Dodge Rate. Taunt has a slow animation, and doesn't even work on bosses. Purge Area was supposed to be a good party skill version of Threaten and Slow with a burn effect, but it doesn't even work on bosses either. They also brought back Sudden Raid (the ultimate for DB's that was deleted in Chaos), and copy-pasted it to NL's and Shad's. What NL's needed was a 4th job mobbing skill (the only class in the game without one). Getting rid of Drain as well was uncalled for. In essence, the revamp had its upsides, but it was a complete half-assed job.

By the way, you might have a higher range than your DB friend, but each class has a different weapon multiplier. For NL's, it's 1.75x. For DB's, it's 1.35x. Your friend would completely wreck you if he had the same range as you. xD

@etownesemp I'm not too excited for them because a lot of it is useless if you ask me. For example the skill Frality Curse, I never notice it's effects on bosses, I feel like it doesn't work at all yet 3 of our skill enhancement passives for our hypers revolve around that skill which if you ask me completely sucks! I'm only excited for our quad star buffs and Four Seasons; although i'm not too pleased with the animation for four seasons
@archusz Hmm I'd disagree with you, I don't think our problem is quad throw in any way
@SmashFace Well welcome aboard newfy (don't take the name into offence)! You're right about our avoid rate, more now than before because at least before we had Drain to make up for our lack of avoidability but now it just doesn't seem fair. Phantom/DB get insane avoid, Shads even get our SAME shadow shifter PLUS Meso guard which is insane, so our avoid is definately a problem in comparison. I might be wrong on this but you'll probably start notice more later on how slow and low your damage out put actually is, [b]especially to mobs[/b]. I used to compete with my DB friend about 5 months ago, I had 10 levels on him and 20k more to my range than he did. I had a 65k range he had a 40k range so 25k difference to be more specific. We raced at zakum arms and he wrecked me xD Shade splitter is honestly horrible like you said The damage may look fine but in comparison it truly isn't as fine as it seems 40k range to hit 200k a star? Hmm, not even close if you ask me. When I had a 40k range I think i was able to hit 100k on mobs? I have a 120k range now and I only hit 350-500k on mobs heh... Thanks for sharing and welcome aboard.

New NL player here. Well I had a sin like 2 and a half years ago but its an entirely new game these days.

I guess the only problem I really have is that the avoid rate is so low. Yea it's higher than most classes but when it compares to something like a phantom or DB we just don't match up. I don't really have a problem with the damage output I feel like I'm doing fine, but maybe that's because I'm new and haven't really sized it up to other classes yet. From what I've seen it looks like you only need a 40k range to hit 200k a star? Is that true? I'm also really excited for the hyper skills I think it is going to give NL's a much needed boost. The nice thing about Maplestory is that no matter what class, if you fund it, it can be strong, so with some time and effort I think I can I match other classes. But we need a new mobbing skill, splitter is horrid.

@Archusz
YOU weak cause you hit 1 mob.
just revamp you still weak 6 mob.

NL weak cause 4throw just hit 1 mob
just revamp 4throw to hit 6 mob like boomerang step

@Night0fsorrow
Why arent you ecxited for hyper?
I cant wait for 4 seasons!
and the mob atk upgrade is nifty!

@NotDiet I agree with your first sentence, it's very true BUT I can't in any way, shape, or form argue with our Dark Harmony skill. I think us NL need it and quite frankly I love the dang skill haha! It also suits our whole theme of a Night lord which is always nice Although, % damage would be nice as well
@Undexme Exact same for me! I manage to hit cap sometimes yet Hard Mode azwan still (although not often) can sometimes get the best of me and leaves me unable to complete the run without dying 5 or 6 times. Wow, when you show me the math of it you honestly got me excited! I know the math is more or less simple but stilll I just hope your numbers are right! F5 The CD on Four Seasons is really nice too I guess, Although initially I wanted higher % damage to more mobs w/ a longer CD, but when you think of it Four Seasons does MORE % damage than our Current Quad Throw! Which means people like us will automatically be hitting cap (999,999, more or less) with Four Seasons every 8 seconds! As for your other comments, I say the exact same thing in my other thread! Good to know we think a like! Thanks for sharing ~
@Etownesemp Haha thanks for the comment in my shop bro, I appreciate it I'm on the same page as you though except I'm not TOO excited for our Hypers, a little more now though that some Basiler has shed some light upon me by showing me some numbers Thanks for sharing ~

Dear fellow kradian.
Love my NL, getting mildly bored tho, only because our damage and attacks are no where near as powerful and flashy as other classes,
im excited for hyper skills, 2 more lines of atk<3 and also more dmg!

I do feel like we need some sort of improvement, i mean im lv 200 and i cap dmg and i have hard time soloing azwan hard

But to be honest i look at our skills and the hyper skills to come
20 % more dmg to qt and 20 to bosses plus higher crit is almost x1.5 our dmg plus one more star
That is around 1.5m for me each star, *5 =7.5
plus sp 5.25 = nearly 13m dmg per qt

When cap dmg is removed ofcourse

On top of that we are getting a secondary weapon, so thats more %boss too

And if gms decide hyper are affected by cooldown reduce effects - it wont be too hard for us to spam four seasons which is insanly op if spammed

So i dont really complain, atleast not about dmg

We do deserve db's invincibility higher hp or atleast drain by right though its solvable with all todays hp%+
Oh, and a further fj

But all in all
I think were still top

@NodachiSoul I feel like you're mocking me, because [b]Every-single-thing[/b] you just said are all things I've said exactly in other posts around basil LOL, it's insane how alike we think, it truly is! xD So as you can probably tell already, i'm 100% with you on those thought F5 Haha, that's crazy it really did surprise me how you said exactly what you did
@NotDiet I agree with you 100% on almost everything you said. We really have lost our originality although not completely since the least Nexon did was keep the fact that we do in the end throw stars xD. Also I hear what you're saying about the equips and what not As for the Quad throw thing I'd have to disagree there haha, wouldn't want people complaining about how op Quad throw is now do we? Haha thanks for sharing ~