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[quote=Kazzooey]
The glaive has more resale and higher potential to reach godly status. That's the difference. Machlears are the better option for the people who can't afford anything more than a clean Glaive. And sure you have to Drpq for the machlear but whats bad about that? Drpq gives an ass load of exp and each pq only lasts like 3-4 minutes each. A level 120-130 can get two levels in 30 to 40 minutes easy peasy.[/quote]

I won't talk about the Machlear vs. Arc anymore because I'm done with it.

But this part is wrong. You get EXP based on level. Sadly at 120 you get very little EXP to benefit your EXP bar. Didn't check but I'm sure you get under 150k EXP when you're level 120.

At levels like 180-190, that's when DRPQ becomes something to look forward to EXP wise. Looking at 6 million to 8 million EXP per PQ.

You won't even level once on DRPQ at 120. Unless you're already at 99%

Machlears are great, screw the haters.

Potentially, Glaives are better but those can cost a helluva lot of mesos and not everyone is rich enough to buy it. Machlears are free and have better scrolls than a glaive does.
Here's the difference:
Arc Glaive~
-Can reach godly stats
-Tradeable without a SoK
-Costs a lot of mesos for a good one and a big chunk of mesos for a clean one

Machlear~
-Free to get (just get lucky)
-Free scrolls that give +3 ATT with a 70% chance (much better than 60% +2 ATT scrolls)
-Hidden potential almost all the time
-Bonus stats for Arans (Bonus crit, and +20% Damage on mammal types aka Crockies and Bearwolves)
-They look way cooler
-Endurance based so you have to repair it every now and then
-Bad resale value since you must SoK it
-The better choice if you have low funds
-Must Drpq for it and the scrolls

The glaive has more resale and higher potential to reach godly status. That's the difference. Machlears are the better option for the people who can't afford anything more than a clean Glaive. And sure you have to Drpq for the machlear but whats bad about that? Drpq gives an ass load of exp and each pq only lasts like 3-4 minutes each. A level 120-130 can get two levels in 30 to 40 minutes easy peasy.

[quote=khanga]DRPQ is simple....i have no idea what youre talking about when you say she/he's gonna fail. You dont even need a party of 6 to do it... and unless they're planning on using machlear as an endgame, which i doubt he will, he can use whatever he likes up until he decides to get an endgame[/quote]

You misinterpreted the statement and it was already discussed. A little late to the party.

Fail implies the Tablet, not the less than simple PQ that takes 5 minutes.

He also asked what weapon is better, if he didn't I wouldn't post the better option, so the only thing you're doing here is not being productive towards the thread and instead trying to attack others for their opinions.

thanks!

Machlears can't even reach over 130 atk scrolled I think. I really don't care, mine is just for looks I would say it is a possible weapon choice if you are around 120 or so and you were just lucky enough to receive one but otherwise, don't get it
Edit: And when I say scrolled I mean no enhances or hammers, just the 7 default slots because who would use that much money and effort on a 105 weapon

@Wardrako There are certain npcs that allow you to repair your equips for like 100k ish. I know that there's a guy in Leafre and I think Perion...

and also @ImaClubYou (since I have no idea how to quote) you said, 'If your idea of free means 10 PQs, which is also the limit, and that yo're going to fail it almost all the time.' I might've just misinterpreted what you said, but to me it looks like you're saying that people fail drpq a lot, but idunno. Doesn't matter~

How do you repair your weapon? Sorry

Well I used 100% GM scrolls. So I get that +5 Str.

7 days or 7 months. You still have to do the same amount of PQ's to get to where you're at.

Indirectly there is money in it. Since Tablets use up slots you would need White Scrolls. You have to use potions while fighting both bosses considering how many times you have to, that could be a few mils.

And if I had an option to sell a weapon for a better one, I would take it, tbh.

@ImaClubYou: The sucess rate remains at 70% and the stats boost ins better than every scroll expect those bellow 50%. As for the marinal boost you fail to understand that that is with scrolls only. Anyone can boots their stats to a high degree using equipment enhance scrolls (the 80% 2 stars are nice since their rates never drop). As for months i am sorry that your luck turned out the way it did but it only took 7 days for a fully scrolled machlear on which enhancement scrolls will work so if anyone wanted they could boost their stats to the same level at which point the machlear would win out due the the higher str it gives. As for sale value there is no need to resell since no money was put into it (and seriously it will take me 5 years to get my machlear to the point at which i have to repair it). And yes anyone can get 3% armor with any weapon, but the idea was that you wont spend 200 mill (using the price of the glaive from post above) on the weapon and will put that towards your armor instead.

But anyways i'm not debating which is better because in the end you can make any weapon 100+ awesome for endgame purposes. I'm merely trying to provide the correct information about the alternative this person is looking at. (which in every case i have seen people looking at machlears on these forums they have limited funding.

how much does a 127atk 4slots 2 lined crapy rare potential 15% def ignore neb arcglaive cost?

@ImaClubYou:
I don't see why they wouldn't, but yeah.

[quote=ConfusedSoul]Tablets don't explode anymore. They're 70% success rate all the time now, instead of decreasing after each scroll.[/quote]

Alright, I did imply that I haven't played in a while so thanks.

Do they still cost a slot if you fail them?

[quote=ImaClubYou]

-Pain to scroll/uses tablets that explode all the time.
[/quote]

Tablets don't explode anymore. They're 70% success rate all the time now, instead of decreasing after each scroll.

-stares at my 160att glaive-
why couldnt you be in windia....

Well I have 1.5 b atm

[quote=Whiter]@lmaClubYou If you're failing drpq, something's wrong. Also, repairing just about any equip is next to no cost.[/quote]

I never said people fail DRPQ. Where did you get that from my post? The fact that you have to repair it at any given time, like during training or bossing, is a pain in the booty sadly.

Aside from that, what I said from DRPQ is you could only do it 10 times a day, nothing more.

[quote=forcysitus]@ImaClubYou:
Okay so your saying to use the +7 scrolls which have very low chances of working comapred to a +3 and +1 to all your stats. So in the end your left with 128 attack and 13 to dex and str, with 8 to the others, and garunteed pot. So in the end of you want to pay alot of mesos for marginally better attack but sacrificing main stat and crit, and bonus damage. Compared to a 151 +2str archglaive, which is a marginal improvement. (considering a +10 attack +5 str MoN, from a +1 attack and +9str SoEL, resulted in a wopping 400 damage increase).
That and the +7 scrolls will blow up your items so you will have to get safety charms. So if your going to compare costs, in 4 years my machlear would still be making up the initial cost of buying the the archglaive.
Also i fail to see how getting 30 mill exp in 30 min is so bad, the pq is short and has a nice exp yeild. And you can also gain profit from extracting.

See what i'm getting at. Archglaive is better stat wise which will result in about 700- 1k more attack. But the cost for that extra damage makes it a bad idea. Get some 3% str items and you will get the same damage increase for as low as 3 mill.[/quote]

+7 scrolls are an option, any other scroll are better than tablet except for +1 and go even with 60%'s. But you see right there? We have a plethora of options of what scrolls to use. Rather than spending months on Tablets that, if I remember correctly, decrease in success rate every time you get one to work.

Marginally better attack than 128? Not to toot my own horn... but my Archglaive is 198 att. I'll mention I used veryyy little NX. If you call around 15k NX little. The bonus stat are not worth its inefficiency, imo. Even on the 4rth job bonus.(Is there a 4rth job bonus?) ololol.

Never said that Machlears weren't the greatest money savers. The only thing meso related I said was that it cost money to repair it. OP ask whats better.

I also never said anything bad about DRPQ, the EXP you receive, and how little time it takes. If I remember, at a very high level you get 7 million EXP in around 5 or 6 minutes if everyone in your party isn't stupid.

[quote=forcysitus]So this person can spend a lot of money on a weapon, and sacrifice a lot of funding that could have gone into % str equips ( which is the important thing for us), for a weapon they will eventually have to replace. Were as if they used the machlear it would cost them nothing more than 4 hours and at the same time they can buy other more valuable equips.[/quote]

"Eventually replace"

Can't you say that in the opposite scenario as well? Actually, can't you say that for almost [i]all[/i] weapons? Problem with this is... you can't sell a Machlear. Unless NX.

[quote=forcysitus]See what i'm getting at. Archglaive is better stat wise which will result in about 700- 1k more attack. But the cost for that extra damage makes it a bad idea. Get some 3% str items and you will get the same damage increase for as low as 3 mill.[/quote]

I hope you know you can have 3% Str while holding any weapon.

[quote=VileLunatic]not as misinformed as Club seems.... or Forc.... I can see why you 2 are arguing.....[/quote]

Please explain?

[quote=Whiter]@forcysitus arcglaive*
-Ahem- Okay. So.
1 - How in the world would a 128 -> 151 atk change only raise your range 700-1k? I'm just going to assume that you've never had a better polearm equipped, because that would raise your range [b]at least[/b] 4k. Also, an arcglaive doesn't stop at 151 attack. It can be higher. The same goes for machlears (although it's not worth it at all to enhance machlears to the point that they're actually end-game worthy).

4 - @ImaClubYou didn't say that you have to use +7 scrolls. She just said that that's no longer an option when using a machlear, while it's available for arcglaives.

5 - No one said 30m xp was bad.

7 - If you spend a lot of money on a weapon, you're funding yourself. Buying a weapon is funding yourself. It's not a waste. I don't see why you'd need to replace your weapon if you spent a lot of money on it, just go for an end game one so you don't have to purchase another one. A machlear on the other hand is not quite as good, and is not worth the time and effort that you'd have to put into getting it and scrolling it.

8 - Not sure if I said this already or not, but [b]extra damage is always a good idea[/b]. A few 3% str equips will do nothing for someone purchasing an end game polearm.

Hope you get the point now, because I'm done.[/quote]

Thank you.

@Whiter: Lol thanks for the spelling. Cant believe i was spelling it wrong this whole time. -_-
I use 5% str since i dont spend enought time playing to bother with more. But the damage difference i mentioned is based off personal eperience since adding 10 attack to my own aran only modified my damage by 600, but adding 3% str resulted in a 2k damage range increase ( arans just have so much innate weapon attack that str contributes more than 22 attack would). But yes you are funding your self but i dont make the assumption that this person has a lot of funding to go off of. If this person has mesos to blow then sure, if not an arcglaive is a really pricey blade on a stick that has only a marginal benefit.

It simply comes down to this arcglaive lots of mesos+nx and then the mesos for the armor this person wants, or Machlear for free and then the same amount of mesos for what this persons armor.
See what i'm getting at?
(my potential point was that you dont have to risk potting a machlear, nor do you have to spend anything on it, arcglaive there is that risk).
(also i'm operating under the assumption that this person is buying clean, if it is scrolled drop the nx).

@Mhn96: can you provide a bit more info? Like your purpose for this polearm and if your funded or not?

@VileLunatic: i just lack the information to provide useful information help to inform this person. Most if the time i see this post it is by unfunded people asking and hence why i'm my points are based off the premise that this person is unfunded.

@forcysitus arcglaive*
-Ahem- Okay. So.
1 - How in the world would a 128 -> 151 atk change only raise your range 700-1k? I'm just going to assume that you've never had a better polearm equipped, because that would raise your range [b]at least[/b] 4k. Also, an arcglaive doesn't stop at 151 attack. It can be higher. The same goes for machlears (although it's not worth it at all to enhance machlears to the point that they're actually end-game worthy).
2 - Getting 3% str equips is a downgrade for most people unless they're just starting off.
3 - As I stated earlier, there are [i]much[/i] better ways of obtaining crystals if you're hoping to profit off of that.
4 - @ImaClubYou didn't say that you have to use +7 scrolls. She just said that that's no longer an option when using a machlear, while it's available for arcglaives.
5 - No one said 30m xp was bad.
6 - Just because an item's potentialed doesn't mean that it's going to have a useful potential. Purchasing an arcglaive will most likely include an average attack of around 150~ along with a good potential already, assuming it's been cubed.
7 - If you spend a lot of money on a weapon, you're funding yourself. Buying a weapon is funding yourself. It's not a waste. I don't see why you'd need to replace your weapon if you spent a lot of money on it, just go for an end game one so you don't have to purchase another one. A machlear on the other hand is not quite as good, and is not worth the time and effort that you'd have to put into getting it and scrolling it.
8 - Not sure if I said this already or not, but [b]extra damage is always a good idea[/b]. A few 3% str equips will do nothing for someone purchasing an end game polearm.

Hope you get the point now, because I'm done.

@ImaClubYou:
Okay so your saying to use the +7 scrolls which have very low chances of working comapred to a +3 and +1 to all your stats. So in the end your left with 128 attack and 13 to dex and str, with 8 to the others, and garunteed pot. So in the end of you want to pay alot of mesos for marginally better attack but sacrificing main stat and crit, and bonus damage. Compared to a 151 +2str archglaive, which is a marginal improvement. (considering a +10 attack +5 str MoN, from a +1 attack and +9str SoEL, resulted in a wopping 400 damage increase).
That and the +7 scrolls will blow up your items so you will have to get safety charms. So if your going to compare costs, in 4 years my machlear would still be making up the initial cost of buying the the archglaive.
Also i fail to see how getting 30 mill exp in 30 min is so bad, the pq is short and has a nice exp yeild. And you can also gain profit from extracting.

So this person can spend a lot of money on a weapon, and sacrifice a lot of funding that could have gone into % str equips ( which is the important thing for us), for a weapon they will eventually have to replace. Were as if they used the machlear it would cost them nothing more than 4 hours and at the same time they can buy other more valuable equips.

See what i'm getting at. Archglaive is better stat wise which will result in about 700- 1k more attack. But the cost for that extra damage makes it a bad idea. Get some 3% str items and you will get the same damage increase for as low as 3 mill.

@lmaClubYou If you're failing drpq, something's wrong. Also, repairing just about any equip is next to no cost.
@forcysitus The way I see it, it takes time to drpq 10 times a day, only to end up getting no machlear, you can get free scrolls from monsters that drop them if you're that desperate whereas you can only get 1 tablet a day from drpq, ....there are better looking polearms (opinion), bonus stats are pretty useless, and it's highly unlikely that you'll get a good potential if you're revealing it on any item from drpq, so I don't see how that's much of a benefit. As for the crystals, there are much better ways to obtain them than from drpq.

OT: You really shouldn't be getting either polearm. Agares are cheaper and better, but if you [i]really[/i] want one of those two polearms, don't get a machlear and just get a glaive since they're better in just about every way possible. (I know that this still isn't on topic but oh well~)

[quote=forcysitus]It's not 2 bill to repair, dont confuse it for a siruis cape. Machlears are cheep to repair, 90% was 16K, (so 160k from 0). The tablets you use do not blow up the weapon and have a 70% chance to work and if you reforge it which costed me nothing to do, you can get some nice stats out of it. Also all the machlears i have gotten all have pots. And the tablets are easy to get, just pq 10 times and you get one, and by the time you get your machlear you will have a few saved up so no biggy. Unless your willing to invest a lot into an archglaive they are the same, by this i mean intend to perfectly scroll and cube it to legendary status. So all in all you can save your self 200mil and get a machlear or your can buy your archglaive.

People just love to hate on machlears. The way i see it, free weapon, free scrolls, sexy looks, and the bonus stats that come with it, potentials. And all the philo stones/advanced crystals you can get during the process. (btw in the 5months i have enjoyed mine, i have only worn off 12% durability, this is from high use and lots of dying at arkium and hilla.)[/quote]

If your idea of free means 10 PQs, which is also the limit, and that yo're going to fail it almost all the time. Machlear can't reach the god status that Glaive can. +5 and even +7 scrolls won't work. I'd rather spend a few millions than waste days trying to get tablets for a weapon that isn't as good as a weapon I can just buy, get what I'm saying?

Even if I was wrong about how much it cost to repair the Machlear, it still [i]does[/i] cost.

You don't lose durability when you fight bosses as well.

Anyway, I don't hate Machlears, I used to have one.

It's not 2 bill to repair, dont confuse it for a siruis cape. Machlears are cheep to repair, 90% was 16K, (so 160k from 0). The tablets you use do not blow up the weapon and have a 70% chance to work and if you reforge it which costed me nothing to do, you can get some nice stats out of it. Also all the machlears i have gotten all have pots. And the tablets are easy to get, just pq 10 times and you get one, and by the time you get your machlear you will have a few saved up so no biggy. Unless your willing to invest a lot into an archglaive they are the same, by this i mean intend to perfectly scroll and cube it to legendary status. So all in all you can save your self 200mil and get a machlear or your can buy your archglaive.

People just love to hate on machlears. The way i see it, free weapon, free scrolls, sexy looks, and the bonus stats that come with it, potentials. And all the philo stones/advanced crystals you can get during the process. (btw in the 5months i have enjoyed mine, i have only worn off 12% durability, this is from high use and lots of dying at arkium and hilla.)

[quote=Mhn96]Oh wow you basically cleared up all the questions I had in mind thanks aha[/quote]

You're welcome. I'll also add that it [i]only[/i] uses tablets, scrolls are unusable on these and you can't trade them unless you use NX. So if you decide to get new weapon one day, you can't sell the Machlear because yeah

You have one?

Oh wow you basically cleared up all the questions I had in mind thanks aha

Glaive.

You have to DRGPQ for a Machlear and it sucks.

-Considerably low chance you'll obtain it, most likely will get other Warrior items before getting a Machlear.
-Pain to scroll/uses tablets that explode all the time.
-DURABILITY, around 2m to fix it back to 100%
-It sucks

The only thing you get from it is a small damage booster if you're specifically an Aran.

Guys, I thought a machlear would be the same as aglaive, but thanks for getting new know there divergent

I have a clean glaive for sale....Ch1Fm8 door.

why'd you even consider a machlear? it's a pain to scroll.

and i have a glaive, but dunno if you can afford it.

Aha thNks