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I don't think you can do it I'm a 200 nl with 80k+ range and I'm not sure if even I can do it with over 40% boss xD Sed + 1/1 is GG

@ExcessivelyWet: I think it would be wise. Cubed empress gear is kind of uncommon (in my world atleast) so cubing is your only choice. (i dont know about your world lmao)

Im lvl 183. Has a 48k range. (and dojo gloves <3). total of 52% boss (30% on wep, 10% ds link skill, 12% from gloves<3). 14k hp (10kish + decent hb). Took 55 minutes to solo czak with energizers. If u had apples for the entire 1hr 30 minutes, maybe u could. And well, GL against seduce :c. And against debuff (which takes up MOST of my time against the arms ;c).
Instead, u should go solo ht! I solo'd my first ht (right after revamp) with 35kish range, energizers, 30% boss (or was it 40?). It took about 58 minutes or so, so im sure u can do it! . Just gl against more seduce, but its not as painful as czak.

@SacredSealed:

he probably made a [b]typo[/b] about either his [b]boss or range[/b], because for an [b]NL[/b], that [b]isn't possible[/b]

Read that carefully.

[quote=soulfist]Your time seems a bit slow. But reasonable. The other guy's time isn't realistic at all, he probably made a typo about either his boss or range, because for an NL, that isn't possible unless you hack to make czak not move or attack.[/quote]

You meant to put MOST nls, right?
If not, ill have to show you proxied.

@ExcessivelyWet:

I'd wait for a good cubing sale. Nexon has been own to do like 40% off a bundle of cubes and they normally throw in a free SoK or Psok depending on the bundle. Monsters won't be dropping cubes for a long time (I don't know where you heard the rumor from but I want to say it's false). I don't remember what you're potential of your claw is but cubing it to unique &/or finding a boss damage nebulite would be a quick boost of damage and would be more noticeable than % luk.

I agree with @iProxD but I'm not sure if I agree with saving the arms for last because even though the range that they can seduce you is fairly small, one seduce could be the end. I much prefer to kill the Tail > Legs > Wings > Arms and this way once the arms are dead your success rate is automatically 100%. Though I must warn you the downside to killing the arms first is once they drop below 40% they will begin to seduce a lot more (The most I've been seduced in a row is 6 times) but with the lagging trick you should be fine just be careful not to get disconnected by the gm police. It's a risky business but I always take it nowadays I feel so relieved after the arms are dead.

Horntail drops MMBs from time to time but for the most part the most profitable thing is Horntail pendant w/ the egg.
I suggest always bring a 2x drop buff if you can afford one (The easter egg one or any of the other ones floating in the fm) because getting HTPs & eggs to drop can be a pain in the butt!

[quote=ConeFail]@ExcessivelyWet: well, if you are going to get nx i would suggest saving it till there is a cube sale and cube each of your empress equips to 6% luk. Also, i think you should sell your furries and buy hwabis. Furries are literally 100x more expensive for 3 more attack. You can put that 1.4b into something else that can increase your range more than 3 attack does.
And @Samla111 how much % attack do you have? And doesnt % attack show up on your range? And its not that i dont believe that youre strong xD. Maybe i just remember wrong. Ill try czak tomorrow or something and tell you guys[/quote]
Would saving up for a cube sale be wise? I swear I read somewhere that in a future patch, cubes will become monster drops. I still haven't sold my Furries btw but I've decided to do some merching with the 20k I bought and I am now on my 2nd billion with 5k NX and 3 days of mushie to spare. Any tips on how I should spend my earnings to improve my NL?

@Nhil: Thank you so much for all your advices Nhil. I appreaciate it. I took your advice and been patiently scanning fm everyday. Also got the att medal. TYTYTY!

@warbutcher: That may be a problem

@iProxD: Lol the only reason I was aiming for czak was because I thought it's weaker than HT. I've been looking at HT videos since you responded to this thread and some of the tips you gave aren't even in the guides.Thank you so much! A few questions though, is his pendant the only profitable thing he drops and you mentioned I should lag myself on purpose so I'd survive? I don't get that o: care to explain a bit please? TY

Personally, I'd give HT a solo first. HT is relatively easier than CZak and less of a pain to solo because he doesn't seduce you and 1/1's you to hell. Plus he has less HP so that would give you a sense of how fast your CZak solo would probably be. [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/220859/0/Ht_solo_wo_godly_range.html]This[/url] was my first HT solo on AE87. 120% PDR, 60% Boss and no all-cures. 36 minutes. It did help that I've been HTing and all for a while on my other NL, but this was just to prove that it didn't take much to solo HT. The problem really isn't the damage but rather whether or not you can survive HT long enough. My advice for surviving would be either to lag yourself with alt + enter spam, or install a VMware on your PC, and once seduced, just clicked on your main desktop and it'll lag your VMware client, which simulates the alt + enter spam minus the need to spam the buttons.

Tip: Solo the legs then the tail. Work on the wings and save an arm for last. Why? Because the heads have a global attack, so it'll hit you anywhere on the map, whereas the arms can only cast spells and all when you're standing close to or past the center of HT (the line of reference would be the vertical line on its abs), so if you kill all the heads and you still have some time left on your 30 minute item drop counter, you can just AFK on the other side of the arm and not take any damage.

As for CZak itself, it's pretty self explanatory. Pretty much the same as Zak, just working your way around. Stay on the right side of CZak when you're up to bodies to avoid walking into the body. Be aware of when you're 1/1'd, when you're pot lagged and when you have the 50% pot diminishing effect on you. Under the same circumstances as HT, it took me roughly an hour give or take to solo with Energizers for the arms and Stews for the bodies.

@ConeFail: i have 0% atk (if i remember right, haven't been on in weeks) and i have about 30% total dmg (which does not show up in range). but yea, you should be soloing czak in a much faster time than 40mins since you have a 95k range with 60% boss, thats the only thing i was concerned with. and again, i'm sure of my time because my ss shows me almost reaching 2nd body in about 8mins after summon xD but of course, time varies based on how many times you got dispelled/seduced/pot locked etc

[quote=ExcessivelyWet]I forgot to mention that I have 40% boss damage. Btw is PDR that neb that lets you "ignore a monster's defense"? Cuz if it is I have 12% of it. Reg zak does 1/1 and that doesn't seem like a problem for me. Does Chaos Zak do it differently? I have 8kish HP and I'm currently working on Fortitude Potions which can add 10k HP since I made my NL an Alchemist.[/quote]

Chaos Zakum seduces you and may 1/1 you as well

[quote=ConeFail]yea, i have 60% boss[/quote]

Your time seems a bit slow. But reasonable. The other guy's time isn't realistic at all, he probably made a typo about either his boss or range, because for an NL, that isn't possible unless you hack to make czak not move or attack.

@ExcessivelyWet:

Yeah, you missed the protective scroll event and sadly I don't think it'll come back for awhile due to heavy duping of the scrolls which is why they are all untradable now.
The 5 attack one is the best at the moment but keep your eye out as Gms gets more updates they are bound to add some new ones with better effects.

You'll have to look pretty hard to find pre-scrolled / potential'd gear honestly you'll have to just check for quitting sales because there isn't much money to be made in making empress equips just to sell them later, most people keep them as their end game gear. In a few months though 150/160 (?) I'm not sure which sets will come out and hopefully deflate the price of empress if you don't have any luck in the long run!

@ExcessivelyWet: well, if you are going to get nx i would suggest saving it till there is a cube sale and cube each of your empress equips to 6% luk. Also, i think you should sell your furries and buy hwabis. Furries are literally 100x more expensive for 3 more attack. You can put that 1.4b into something else that can increase your range more than 3 attack does.
And @Samla111 how much % attack do you have? And doesnt % attack show up on your range? And its not that i dont believe that youre strong xD. Maybe i just remember wrong. Ill try czak tomorrow or something and tell you guys

[quote=PitchBlack0]@ExcessivelyWet In my opinion here's what you should do equip wise.
Sell the furies (in Bera they're around 140m ea) and downgrade to ilbis. I feel as though you can use that money to gain a bigger bang for your buck. Earrings I won't go into since your already looking to get a 12%. For shoulder and medal do the silent crusade quest line. The medal is superior to your current one and you'll be able to make yourself a better shoulder. As for gloves maybe try scrolling your current ones with a few 60%s until you can find yourself a decently priced 32attack one. Use one aee on your claw (if you haven't already). Perhaps the biggest upgrade you can make right now would be to get the evolving rings #'s 1-3 (all max level of course). #1 and $2 both give +7all stats and 5 attack and #3 gives +10 all stats and 10 attack.[/quote]

The claw has 1 star. Do you know if there is a protective cash shop item that can prevent aees from blowing up your gear if it fails? From what I gather I missed a protective scroll event that didn't need NX to obtain . I forgot to mention my rings. I already bought evo rings 1 2 and 3 and for my 4th ring, I stuck with my Explorer Critical ring. Also, I forgot to add that I recently bought a 5 att pocket item. Is there anything better than the 5att one?

@Nhil: Nice suggestion! I'll look into these better pendants that you speak of and hopefully replace my HT pendant. As for selling my stars, I think I'll be loosing money by selling them right now since I got them for 230m a piece a few years ago. Balanced Furries now go unsold for 150m in my server . As for pre-made empress gear, that was my original plan but I can't seem to find prescrolled empress gear in the FM other than the claw which I bought. Wow free 1 att medal? I'll definitely do that att quest! TY TY TY

[quote=ExcessivelyWet]TY for taking the time to answer. I just bought 20k NX a few days ago. My only source of mesos at the moment is from selling skillbooks from Hilla and reg Zak since they're the only bosses I can solo. I can get more NX if I have to but I don't know the best way to convert NX to mesos. I have my doubts about directly selling NX and Premium boxes seems like too much of a risk since I see some perm NX in Windia sold for 50-100m which is barely worth 3k.

@DeniseWong and @larryd23: Thank you for your input guys.

@Nhil: Once again, thank you for your detailed answer Nhil! Empress gear are not all that rare in WIndia. Completed my whole set on my 2nd day playing MS again.

[b]Here are my equips so far:[/b]
Full Empress set (all are clean)
Empress Claw: 123 att, crap potential (I temporarily placed a 12% PDR neb on this)
Belt: Permanent Immortal Pharoah Belt, 3 att, 6% luk, 2 lines epic
Earrings: Level 45, clean, 6% luk
Pendant: I have a 10 att MoN and a +22 all stats HT which had 3% luk upon reveal
Medal: Azalea Corsage, 3 dex, 2 luk (I came back shortly during the Corsage event)
Shoulder: Tiger Talon, 2 att, effects: 2 dex, 2 luk
Eye Acc: Fused goggles from the recent Ice Chests, 2% luk, 3 lined rare
Face Acc: DB BloodMask, 3 att, 3 all stat?
Android Heart: 4 att
Stars: Balanced Furries, 7 sets
Sadly, I missed all the link skills other than jett and phatom. I might be replacing my earrings with 12% luk. I got an earrings to 12% str from the free cubing event Nexon held a few days ago and I'm looking to trade it for 12% luk and I plan to use for the mean time until I am able to upgrade some of my crappier gear.[/quote]

With 20k nx you're probably doing the best you can do as far as converting it to mesos.
I'd say unless you really need the HTP to sell it for 350m+ or whatever the going price is because there are better things you can currently get.
Another pretty cheap way to make fast mesos would be to sell your furies in my server they are like 250m each and downgrade to ilbis since they are pretty much dirt cheap.

I would just aim to buy a 30+ attack empress glove first considering you have the full set and want to keep it.
Head over to The Gate of Time (In leafre two maps right) and do the quest you get a medal which I believe is 5/5/5/5 with 1 attack on it.
Trading earrings like you said and then just slowly scanning the fm looking for pre-cubed empress gear since cubing your own gear in my opinion isn't worth it with the except of weapons and self-scrolled items.

@ExcessivelyWet In my opinion here's what you should do equip wise.
Sell the furies (in Bera they're around 140m ea) and downgrade to ilbis. I feel as though you can use that money to gain a bigger bang for your buck. Earrings I won't go into since your already looking to get a 12%. For shoulder and medal do the silent crusade quest line. The medal is superior to your current one and you'll be able to make yourself a better shoulder. As for gloves maybe try scrolling your current ones with a few 60%s until you can find yourself a decently priced 32attack one. Use one aee on your claw (if you haven't already). Perhaps the biggest upgrade you can make right now would be to get the evolving rings #'s 1-3 (all max level of course). #1 and $2 both give +7all stats and 5 attack and #3 gives +10 all stats and 10 attack.

[quote=ConeFail]@ExcessivelyWet: i think you should be able to do it with around a 60k buffed range. I soolo in about 40 minutes with a 95k range self buffed. I have no idea how that other guy does it in 15 minutes xD

But how much funds do you have atm? And do you plan on buying nx?

@iLionelRawrZ I do it in 40 mins with a 95k range, so in theory she should take 3x longer than me.[/quote]

TY for taking the time to answer. I just bought 20k NX a few days ago. My only source of mesos at the moment is from selling skillbooks from Hilla and reg Zak since they're the only bosses I can solo. I can get more NX if I have to but I don't know the best way to convert NX to mesos. I have my doubts about directly selling NX and Premium boxes seems like too much of a risk since I see some perm NX in Windia sold for 50-100m which is barely worth 3k.

@DeniseWong and @larryd23: Thank you for your input guys.

@Nhil: Once again, thank you for your detailed answer Nhil! Empress gear are not all that rare in WIndia. Completed my whole set on my 2nd day playing MS again.

[b]Here are my equips so far:[/b]
Full Empress set (all are clean)
Empress Claw: 123 att, crap potential (I temporarily placed a 12% PDR neb on this)
Belt: Permanent Immortal Pharoah Belt, 3 att, 6% luk, 2 lines epic
Earrings: Level 45, clean, 6% luk
Pendant: I have a 10 att MoN and a +22 all stats HT which had 3% luk upon reveal
Medal: Azalea Corsage, 3 dex, 2 luk (I came back shortly during the Corsage event)
Shoulder: Tiger Talon, 2 att, effects: 2 dex, 2 luk
Eye Acc: Fused goggles from the recent Ice Chests, 2% luk, 3 lined rare
Face Acc: DB BloodMask, 3 att, 3 all stat?
Android Heart: 4 att
Stars: Balanced Furries, 7 sets
Sadly, I missed all the link skills other than jett and phatom. I might be replacing my earrings with 12% luk. I got an earrings to 12% str from the free cubing event Nexon held a few days ago and I'm looking to trade it for 12% luk and I plan to use for the mean time until I am able to upgrade some of my crappier gear.

@ExcessivelyWet:

I'm not a Night lord but since you're new to potential you should probably aim for the cheaper equips that will give the most bonuses. Earrings should be first on your list and they are by far the cheapest I think they go for about 900m~1.3b for 15%. Follow by a cape you should be able to find a Black fist cloak or empress (I'm not sure how rare they are in your server). You can buy a crafted belt with 4~8% luk for pretty cheap I'm going to guess under 300m for 8% and like 25m for 4%.

Finding the common equips first will be a lot easier and yield the best bang for your buck.
If you don't plan on buying Nx then you might want to just find a level 80 top / bottom with 12% stat & maybe look for some Violet snow shoes 18/27/35 attack if they're still around in your server. I'm not a big fan of empress equips only due to the fact that they cost an arm and a leg to buy them with a potential on them. The one empress equip you should fine quite easily is 30~33 attack gloves and they should be pretty cheap.

Even if you choose not to keep the full empress set it wouldn't be a bad idea to try to chaos yourself a 5+ attack helm just for the time being until you can find a 12%+ stat one floating around the fm. The best way to make money in this era would probably be killing horntail and I know with your range that's a slight problem but maybe you can find a friend or two and duo/trio it and just split the drops or fusing/crafting equips.

Another tip for a pendant if you don't already have a MoN or don't want a MoN is to do the Silent Crusade quest and just farm the Level 105 pendants.
Reveal them until you find one with your desired % stat and then chaos them, for the ones that don't come out too well just fuse them and try again.

[quote=ConeFail]@ExcessivelyWet: i think you should be able to do it with around a 60k buffed range. I soolo in about 40 minutes with a 95k range self buffed. I have no idea how that other guy does it in 15 minutes xD

But how much funds do you have atm? And do you plan on buying nx?

@iLionelRawrZ I do it in 40 mins with a 95k range, so in theory she should take 3x longer than me.[/quote]

well i have a bunch of pdr and i also have a ton of %dmg too
edit: also, if you look at the SS i provided, it was about 8-10mins into it and was about to reach 2nd body anyways =p also 40mins sounds a bit long for your range and %boss

I tried CZak last night on my lvl 200 NL with 65K range, 0% Boss and decent HB. I started on the second body with 45 minutes left on the clock. I probably could have finished within the time limit but it was late and I was extremely bored, so I left.

So... 30K range probably is not enough.

[quote=powermage13]I'd assume he does it quickly with that a 90k range because of the % boss.. Do you have NO % boss? Because if you don't that explains it. Otherwise a 95k range, i would think, would be faster than 40 minutes.. O_O[/quote]

yea, i have 60% boss

[quote=ConeFail]@ExcessivelyWet: i think you should be able to do it with around a 60k buffed range. I soolo in about 40 minutes with a 95k range self buffed. I have no idea how that other guy does it in 15 minutes xD

But how much funds do you have atm? And do you plan on buying nx?

@iLionelRawrZ I do it in 40 mins with a 95k range, so in theory she should take 3x longer than me.[/quote]

I'd assume he does it quickly with that a 90k range because of the % boss.. Do you have NO % boss? Because if you don't that explains it. Otherwise a 95k range, i would think, would be faster than 40 minutes.. O_O

30k range isn't enough to solo Czak sadly.
I would aim for 60k range for HT and 80k range for Czak... as well as pet auto pots

@ExcessivelyWet: i think you should be able to do it with around a 60k buffed range. I soolo in about 40 minutes with a 95k range self buffed. I have no idea how that other guy does it in 15 minutes xD

But how much funds do you have atm? And do you plan on buying nx?

@iLionelRawrZ I do it in 40 mins with a 95k range, so in theory she should take 3x longer than me.

[quote=Marxism]Hi Sam. I know you don't know me but I remember you from andro from a very long time ago.

Anyways, with a 30k range, I'm assuming you don't have that much % luk and therefore your avoid won't be that high. My high avoid stats are what gets me through it when czak uses seduce and 1/1 at the same time.[/quote]

No I don't. The potential system didn't exist back when I was an avid Mapler. I've been playing on and off since %stat where introduced so I never really got the hang of it (yet).

@Samla111, @Nhil: Very helpful. Thank you guys!

@Conefail and @Shadow776: Can you guys please tell me what range I should be aiming for and how I can achieve it? Since I got back 2 weeks ago, I've been trying to replace my gear gradually. I got a full Empress set which is still clean at the moment except for the claw. My empress claw is GM'd which pretty much costed me most of my mesos from before quitting. I have like 15% luk at the most. Can you please give me advice on the order of upgrades I should do and how much %luk should I aim for on each piece of gear? Your help is much appreciated.

im leaning towards nope

In short, no i dont think you can solo czak with only a 30k range. Sorry

[quote=ExcessivelyWet]I forgot to mention that I have 40% boss damage. Btw is PDR that neb that lets you "ignore a monster's defense"? Cuz if it is I have 12% of it. Reg zak does 1/1 and that doesn't seem like a problem for me. Does Chaos Zak do it differently? I have 8kish HP and I'm currently working on Fortitude Potions which can add 10k HP since I made my NL an Alchemist.[/quote]

The only thing different is that Chaos Zak will dispel your buffs which isn't really dangerous but it waste a lot of your time having to rebuff every 30~40 seconds depending on how luck you get on the arms.

It always seduces once you get to second body which doesn't allow you to pot and forces you to walk to the right unless you're on a rope.
The biggest thing to look out for is when Zak seduces you and hits you with a 1/1, though there isn't a way to stop this from happening without have high avoidability & getting lucky.

I soloed czak in about 15mins or something, iirc. I had a 9xk range and 55% boss*/6% dmg if i remember right, at this time and I had about 70% pdr.
was hitting like [url=http://i47.tinypic.com/2hyjn8h.png]this[/url] to give you an idea!
I suggest getting hero's will, higher avoid/dodge rate, and higher HP to just survive
1/1 is deadly here because you might get seduced at the same time or pot locked.

[quote=SacredSealed]Whether you can survive it is the main question.
No matter your hp, youll get hit by that 1/1 SOMEDAY, and bye bye ExcessivelyWet(Mmh, made me feel good.)
Id say go at 35k with 30% boss.[/quote]

I forgot to mention that I have 40% boss damage. Btw is PDR that neb that lets you "ignore a monster's defense"? Cuz if it is I have 12% of it. Reg zak does 1/1 and that doesn't seem like a problem for me. Does Chaos Zak do it differently? I have 8kish HP and I'm currently working on Fortitude Potions which can add 10k HP since I made my NL an Alchemist.

Whether you can survive it is the main question.
No matter your hp, youll get hit by that 1/1 SOMEDAY, and bye bye ExcessivelyWet(Mmh, made me feel good.)
Id say go at 35k with 30% boss.