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[quote=UsoppStyle]BANDWAGON its definied as the action to like something that you didnt in the past or even hated and found many issues with it.

this is what its happening to marksmans. they were hated in the past and called as the uglyest bowman class ever, and now due hypers people are making marksman
just for hypers. i'd say to them: good luck getting 195 first.

however, you CANT tell bandwagoner to anyone who clearly make a NEW CLASS that never has tried by anyone before.[/quote]

I see a 0 increase in people making marksmen. Nothing that wasn't normal before. Since WA exist already technically they can be bandwagoned.

BANDWAGON its definied as the action to like something that you didnt in the past or even hated and found many issues with it.

this is what its happening to marksmans. they were hated in the past and called as the uglyest bowman class ever, and now due hypers people are making marksman
just for hypers. i'd say to them: good luck getting 195 first.

however, you CANT tell bandwagoner to anyone who clearly make a NEW CLASS that never has tried by anyone before.

When you main a new archer and try to go back to bm it will be very, very hard once you realize how much weaker you'll be for doing so.

I like Scarlings btw ^-^

[quote=bowmushro0m]...well i'm doing it.

but can anyone call it a wind archer? i mean how many people had their main's as wind archers?
so for those of you who care about bandwagons, would you say that bandwagoning a wind archer is just like bandwagoning a bm/mm/wh? (as in those of us who have an archer main get a free pass?
personally i don't care. i've been a faithful bm for years, i think i've earned being OP xD

also i need opinions on my ign
iockewood (Iockewood) with anvil'd hat
or Scarlings (i own a guild called scarlion)[/quote]

I had my WA finished years ago...

Yes, we can still call it a Wind Archer and I had spent a fair bit of time leveling it when they first came out. I'd say anything we concentrate on leveling from start to finish before all other characters can be considered a main. Also when most of our resources (whether it be funding, xferring equips and time spent) are used on a character to get them stronger before many other characters can also be considered a main.

My Wind Archer was a main at one point, but my BM will always be my first main ever to reach level 200, as well as my first character/ archer played. Bandwagoning a Wind Archer is the same as bandwagoning a BM/MM/WH/Merc. If it is an archer and you happen to have an account full of archers as I do, then there is no double standard; I.e. I am currently bringing my MM to level 200 and once the new archers come out, I will bandwagon to the new archer to try them out, not giving a damn what other people think. My MM is in no hurry to hit 200, so I do not see any reason not to have a sense of variety in class jobs, its fun, its productive, its just a game and meant to be fun!

Do not feel this pressure over what others think man! Just as long as you enjoy yourself.

As for IGN, use whatever comes to ya. I got a legacy to follow, My arrows shall strike with the wind guiding them!

Fyi, I love the color green too~

peace!

@ImJustARanger: I don't think there will be a Nova Archer.

I am pretty sure that the new WA is not a new class, so that ur level 120 WA u have right now will just get the new skills and u will be able to level to 250 or so,
just like striker, striker is Thunder breaker but just different name in kms, so yeah

Scarlings <3

The only complain I have about the revamp is that WA hurricane looks stupid with the gem in front of it. I'm still going to main my WA after the revamp.

I have the right to jump on that bandwagon too, I main a 135 WH and used a 200 phantom to farm goodies for him (less narbs trying to scam a 200 than a 135). Though imo WH's are more stronger than the other non-hero archers.

Though I support the OP WAs and TBs because when has Nexon shown any love for the Archer class line and the Knuckle users?

that one video showing the barrage of arrows on zakum, ._. got me HOOKED, and it wasnt even one of those GODLY funded Characters, normal kmst vid. I shall transfer all my Dex% over to the new WA, my new main

I'm maining my wind archer ^_^ I absalotly love playing mine

I'm definitely going to make one! I love all archers and I've always been a loyal bm
I agree we deserve some OPness and more flashy skills, and i like green
As for the ign, I'd go for Scarlings, because of your guild name.

I've always had a special spot in my heart for all Bowmen classes. The new Wind Archer coming out is, in my opinion, what the Wind Archer should have been from the start. It's skills really focus on the Wind Element and look amazing visually. My only problem is that these new skills are WAY too strong. The class needs a nerf really fast, like the first Mechanics, only not to an unplayable extent.

i think the definition to bandwagonism is when you affiance to a job/class that is getting cool stuff (revamp/hypers) but you hated it in the past.
just like with the marksman. many of people didnt liked it before they know the cool of their hyper skills.

i call bandwagoners to those who do that.

however since Wind Archer is coming as a new job/class there's no reason to call bandwagoners to those who may main them.

@bluebomber24 IIRC there are 4 total cubes, including the one AB used. This coincidentally leaves us with 3 for Archer, Mage, Thief...

A lot of things can be spelled with 'K' and 'A' including Kamehameha, but I doubt they're going there

Luigi might ninja the tyrant cape I want
Lol my ign is Versimile

The Wind Archer will be the bow counterpart to my Mercedes.

@ImJustARanger: Well, it's NOT impossible, considering the alternate dimension can have 5 heroes as well. I am not sure how the story goes but thier are still 4-5 cubes (that AB used) left. The Heros would also spell out Korea. The K and A is already complete. But we are REALLY strecthing it here.

"There is no good or bad, but thinking it makes it so" <--

[quote=bowmushro0m]honestly i just wanted another class that uses bows. greens my favorite color, winds' my favorite element..so why not? xD i've already played a WA to 120 3 times anyway[/quote]
You sir are just like me

@flverdor
banwagoning is making an old class thats been revamped

[quote=ImJustARanger]Yep and I very much expect the nova archer to be ridiculously overpowered. Going to be interesting to see what they do to make its unique playstyle though. I wonder what weapon it will use as well.[/quote]

No....hes saying their is not going to be a Nova Archer. The statues are just the incarnations of the various Kaisers, which is also something I have been saying. I am not sure where this nova archer thing is coming from.

Cant ban wagon a new class/completely redone class....

The wind archer on my account I made the day Cygnus Knights first came out though it took me a few years to get it to 120 before BB. And I may not level it again right away when we initially recieve the revamp in GMS.

luigi games back on tell every1 to come back on
so empty w/o everyone

I dunno, I'll play it only for the extra attack. I already have one at 120 anyway.

[quote=NightLordz]@bowmushro0m: But... but.... you... are my inspiration for a Bowmaster....[/quote]

My bowmasters' not gonna die lol in fact i still plan on hitting 250 with it n.n but this wind archer is definitely worth making. especially since i have the ign lockewood and i found a lockewood hat for sale idk, i think after so many years, it's time for a change.

[quote=rydog77]I'm glad that this is happening, i'll probably sell all my BM gear and to make max profit and then start up a wind archer from scratch and it will be fun [/quote]
sell your archer gear..so you can buy some archer gear.
JESUS YOU'RE A GENIUS

I'm glad that this is happening, i'll probably sell all my BM gear and to make max profit and then start up a wind archer from scratch and it will be fun

[quote=NightLordz]Trust me bro.... It's more worth it to stick it out and wait then pour fundings into WA because knowing Nexon they will make Bowmasters and the other classes equivalent to the new classes.[/quote]

well see that's the beauty of it. i wouldn't pour any fundings into it ._. just buy a few psoks.

Have you guys that say "nova bowman" and stuff ever think that... those statues are all just Different Kaisers that specialized in different weapons...?

[quote=Capns]the new windarchers do not have arrow bomb
this has effectively eliminated all interest that i had in the class
5/10 would not band (wagon?)[/quote]

Ha!

OT: I`m not interested in the class at all . But I hope you all have fun playing it.

I already have an level 80 one, gonna train it to 120

[quote=bowmushro0m]sure you can use wingbeat, but it has a delay (and a rather lengthy one) which would take away from your dps[/quote]

Wingbeat is beneficial to your DPS. It deals 6000% (10800% with hypers) on single mobs while only taking 0.72 seconds off your Gigaspamming, per cast.

[quote=bowmushro0m]uh, i've still yet to hear any proof that kaisers hit higher than that. you see, if that was true, kaisers would be able to get 6:40 in dojo. currently. in gms. where as the best they can do without hacking is 7:40
you wouldn't happen to know why that is would you? because killing the last 5 is impossible to kill within 8 seconds. even when maxing 100% of the time. parfit does it, and he still can barely ever make it in under 8:00.

you might say that's not exactly credible, but it's practical. it's one of the few instances that you can use applied numbers instead of theoretical calculations.
sure you can use wingbeat, but it has a delay (and a rather lengthy one) which would take away from your dps[/quote]
Depends on whether he uses Transfigure or not (doesn't give as much as an attack speed boost as untransfigured). Depends on latency since unlike Korea we don't have nationalized internet service (that is really really high quality). 3 Wingbeats adds a lot of damage so unless you suck at timing them then you should always be using it. There's 2 hits added to Gigas Wave after the second (maybe third if you're unlucky/suck) Gigas Wave because of Cursebite. If you move while casting Gigas, Wingbeat will also proc Cursebite.

For the most part, if it doesn't contribute to DPS if you cap in any way shape or form, then JT doesn't factor it in. Monsoon would be used in WA calculations because 200% DoT over 30 seconds is a lot of extra damage.

And with that I'm off for the night. Feel free to respond, but I won't get back to you until another time (or never if you post nothing of substance). Good night, good luck.

[quote=Momijii]Obviously because I don't like Flame Gear.

And then Kaiser still beats Wind Archers in hits and Marksman are actually more likely to cap with their hits.

Good thing I followed you though![/quote]

uh, i've still yet to hear any proof that kaisers hit higher than that. you see, if that was true, kaisers would be able to get 6:40 in dojo. currently. in gms. where as the best they can do without hacking is 7:40
you wouldn't happen to know why that is would you? because killing the last 5 is impossible to kill within 8 seconds. even when maxing 100% of the time. parfit does it, and he still can barely ever make it in under 8:00.

you might say that's not exactly credible, but it's practical. it's one of the few instances that you can use applied numbers instead of theoretical calculations.
sure you can use wingbeat, but it has a delay (and a rather lengthy one) which would take away from your dps

[quote=bowmushro0m]was talking to you, about him

@momijii
actually i did make a mistake (i counted storm bringer way off)
if you fix that, and then don't apply storm bringer to triffling you get a solid 35.819 (almost exactly what i originally assumed)
8.33 for hurricane, 24.99 for triffling, 2.499[/quote]

That's weird. I got 35.833 ... ((1+0.6*5+0.3) / 0.12).

What I do wrong. or right.

[quote=iVege]Discussion about @Momijii is boring~[/quote]
Obviously because I don't like Flame Gear.

[quote=bowmushro0m]actually i did make a mistake (i counted storm bringer way off)
if you fix that, and then don't apply storm bringer to triffling you get a solid 35.819 (almost exactly what i originally assumed)
8.33 for hurricane, 24.99 for triffling, 2.499[/quote]
And then Kaiser still beats Wind Archers in hits and Marksman are actually more likely to cap with their hits.

Good thing I followed you though!

[quote=bowmushro0m]was talking to you, about him[/quote]

But why talk to me if he had a post readily available for quoting? Again, unless, line 2 of my last post.

And mind you, my post only cared about [b]you[/b] and [b]your[/b] understanding of another post. Discussion about @Momijii is boring~

[quote=iVege]Why are you telling me this instead of the post above you.

Unless you typed it before he submitted, in which case it is fine. Though you could've just @tagged him instead, you know.

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Above post by @bluebomber24 nailed it. Same thing I was talking about with Marksmen's hits/s.[/quote]

was talking to you, about him

@momijii
actually i did make a mistake (i counted storm bringer way off)
if you fix that, and then don't apply storm bringer to triffling you get a solid 35.819 (almost exactly what i originally assumed)
8.33 for hurricane, 24.99 for triffling, 2.499

[quote=bowmushro0m]so you can't do the VERY simple math of hits per second? look i'll even throw you some variables.
hurricane: 8.33
AFA 1: 60% of all attacks x5
AFA 2: 30% of all attacks (including the first AFA, before you multiply by 5, which is 4.9)[/quote]
Storm Bringer does not apply on Trifling Whim (that is to say, Trifling Whim will no proc it) from what I've read and seen.

[quote=bowmushro0m]it's one thing if you ARE JT. because then you can say "i did this myself and you are wrong"
or if you even understand how the skills work so you can debunk my math yourself.

instead he blindly says "i refuse to read the math that is before me, i'm going to believe the numbers that i've seen with no supporting math. just knowing that a program solves them for me"

he's entirely third party, so he can't say he knows anything but what other people have told him.[/quote]

Why are you telling me this instead of the post above you.

Unless you typed it before he submitted, in which case it is fine. Though you could've just @tagged him instead, you know.

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Above post by @bluebomber24 nailed it. Same thing I was talking about with Marksmen's hits/s.

[quote=Momijii]I don't have the time to waste on math on you. The individual I'm citing is a respectable individual whose number's are used for virtually everything. He also runs his numbers through a program (as far as I know). You're a nobody, he's a somebody. Of course, it is wrong for me to just follow the somebody, but then again it would be folly to blindly follow the nobody. (For a simple version, see @iVege's post.)

But let's not even worry about how this is the [i]very[/i] first iteration of Wind Archer. Before any changes. At all. There's going to be some changes and we all know it.

@bluebomber24: And then when you get to the damage cap (which is apparently possible with a 270%-some skill, even though it's not possible with Mist Eruption as far as I know), Kaiser drowns WA in hits. And then MM was thrown in there because of feasibility of obtaining damage.[/quote]

Uh, if your getting your Hits/s from JT assuming Cap, I don't think that would be accurate, as their are alot of things that reduce it for all classes. JT's typically is lower than what it is, i.e. noncap. Thus, you pretty much would have to calc youself.

[quote=Momijii]I don't have the time to waste on math on you. The individual I'm citing is a respectable individual whose number's are used for virtually everything. He also runs his numbers through a program (as far as I know). You're a nobody, he's a somebody. Of course, it is wrong for me to just follow the somebody, but then again it would be folly to blindly follow the nobody. (For a simple version, see @iVege's post.)

But let's not even worry about how this is the [i]very[/i] first iteration of Wind Archer. Before any changes. At all. There's going to be some changes and we all know it.

@bluebomber24: And then when you get to the damage cap (which is apparently possible with a 270%-some skill, even though it's not possible with Mist Eruption as far as I know), Kaiser drowns WA in hits. And then MM was thrown in there because of feasibility of obtaining damage.[/quote]

so you can't do the VERY simple math of hits per second? look i'll even throw you some variables.
hurricane: 8.33
AFA 1: 60% of all attacks x5
AFA 2: 30% of all attacks (including the first AFA, before you multiply by 5, which is 4.9)

[quote=bowmushro0m]he's entirely third party, so he can't say he knows anything but what other people have told him.[/quote]
He plays KMS. He also uses the skill extractions so therefore his numbers are based off what the skills are programmed to do. He's not making these numbers completely blindly.

[quote=VileFury]I'll make one but I won't give on BMs just yet. Ill officially call it quits if I don't like next explorers revamp (give or take 6 months? T_T). Don't really care for 5th job the exp is just too much and I'm not even 200 yet and don't plan to be for some time. Too soon to tell tough they're bound to make changes in the skills this is a bowman class after all.[/quote]

6 months might be too soon, considering we're [i]Explorers[/i]. But be optimistic if you must.

[quote=iVege]Well, his point was that JT is credible and you are not.[/quote]

it's one thing if you ARE JT. because then you can say "i did this myself and you are wrong"
or if you even understand how the skills work so you can debunk my math yourself.

instead he blindly says "i refuse to read the math that is before me, i'm going to believe the numbers that i've seen with no supporting math. just knowing that a program solves them for me"

he's entirely third party, so he can't say he knows anything but what other people have told him.

[quote=bowmushro0m]so wait, this isn't any of your own math. so rather than do anything yourself, or think for yourself, you just say "this is different than what this other guy said. you must be wrong"

like i said before, idiot.[/quote]
I don't have the time to waste on math on you. The individual I'm citing is a respectable individual whose number's are used for virtually everything. He also runs his numbers through a program (as far as I know). You're a nobody, he's a somebody. Of course, it is wrong for me to just follow the somebody, but then again it would be folly to blindly follow the nobody. (For a simple version, see @iVege's post.)

But let's not even worry about how this is the [i]very[/i] first iteration of Wind Archer. Before any changes. At all. There's going to be some changes and we all know it.

@bluebomber24: And then when you get to the damage cap (which is apparently possible with a 270%-some skill, even though it's not possible with Mist Eruption as far as I know), Kaiser drowns WA in hits. And then MM was thrown in there because of feasibility of obtaining damage.

[quote=bowmushro0m]so wait, this isn't any of your own math. so rather than do anything yourself, or think for yourself, you just say "this is different than what this other guy said. you must be wrong"

like i said before, idiot.[/quote]

Well, his point was that JT is credible and you are not.

[quote=Momijii]Vastly different from JoeTang's numbers, not worth my time. So your math is probably wrong since he just runs his through a program.

PS: Kaisers with a brain use Wingbeat, which is fantastic for hits.[/quote]

Joetangs charts indicates that WA beat MM and Kaisers. So.... o.o