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In my religion death is the result of separation from God. If death did not exist, said separation would not have occurred, and our connection with God would still be clear. So yes, I would believe the same without death.

[quote=Nashi]@Skeletor303: O.o mmm well I've never quite analyzed it, I don't really wanna be snobby to say we humans are superior to all animals and such (even if it's true xD)

But anyway, I watched the movie. It's scary.
The things I thought about were mostly brought up in the movie (e.g. a war could come up etc) and honestly even if I could swim for hours without having to get air I don't think I would do it.
Robots/machines in me? Devices to enhance my intelligence and maybe get my mind to a higher level?
but at what risk...
If there really would be technologies like that (and I guess there will be...) then what about the greedy people that want power and money? What about what we call hackers today? Wouldn't they try to manipulate it for themselves?

And, as stupid as it sounds, what about the "mentally limited" people (may it be because of disease, accident or disorder that their brain is damaged and such) would their brain, their body and especially their mind be able to take a massive jump into intelligence/an unlimited mind?

that guy also seemed very desperate and scared cause of his life (cause of his father having issues, him having diabetes in the 30s etc) and to me it's almost like a scream for salvation from the suffering for his own good, not for the world.

I agree with that one guy, technologies like that could cause a war. Humanity is too corrupt and trying to get to that point of not needing a body might be a step towards erasing humanity including their technologies and progress. It sounds self-destructive.

I do envy them, I wish I could use my brain and imagination, my imagination and such as they do, trying to find new technologies or new information (or in this case "data&quot, but the subject they're moving towards to just seems too risky to me.[/quote]

Well thats why its so interesting to me. I think its fun to imagine a utopian state, but in all likely hood, war or an unfriendly AI is more likely then anything because of human nature. But its that risk that makes it so appealing.
Also I believe that technology can be modified to compensate any shortcomings, whether that be mental or physical. like take a computer for instance. You have a part that stopped working or is doing its job insufficiently? You swap it out for a better part. Its no different with applications to humans. if we have the intellegence to make these compensations in the first place, theres no reason why we can't bridge the gap.
The most interesting thing to me was not Ray Kurzweil (which by the way youre right, he did seem a bit crazy when he wanted to bring his father back and he probably has some issue with that, no matter how much of a genius he is.) although the man did essentially reprogram his genetic code with suppliments (granted 200 a day, but he still did it.) No the most fascinating thing was the guy who put technological implants in themselves, and how quickly the body integrated those systems into itself. That to me says that not only did man evolve in a most intricate way, but he also has the capacity to improve his fortitude, capacity, etc. with foreign electrical objects.

Maybe Im being a fanatic here but im very excited for the future, regardless of what it holds.

If you're only religious because you're afraid of dying
you're doing it wrong.

@Skeletor303: O.o mmm well I've never quite analyzed it, I don't really wanna be snobby to say we humans are superior to all animals and such (even if it's true xD)

But anyway, I watched the movie. It's scary.
The things I thought about were mostly brought up in the movie (e.g. a war could come up etc) and honestly even if I could swim for hours without having to get air I don't think I would do it.
Robots/machines in me? Devices to enhance my intelligence and maybe get my mind to a higher level?
but at what risk...
If there really would be technologies like that (and I guess there will be...) then what about the greedy people that want power and money? What about what we call hackers today? Wouldn't they try to manipulate it for themselves?

And, as stupid as it sounds, what about the "mentally limited" people (may it be because of disease, accident or disorder that their brain is damaged and such) would their brain, their body and especially their mind be able to take a massive jump into intelligence/an unlimited mind?

that guy also seemed very desperate and scared cause of his life (cause of his father having issues, him having diabetes in the 30s etc) and to me it's almost like a scream for salvation from the suffering for his own good, not for the world.

I agree with that one guy, technologies like that could cause a war. Humanity is too corrupt and trying to get to that point of not needing a body might be a step towards erasing humanity including their technologies and progress. It sounds self-destructive.

I do envy them, I wish I could use my brain and imagination, my imagination and such as they do, trying to find new technologies or new information (or in this case "data&quot, but the subject they're moving towards to just seems too risky to me.

I don't think Buddhism would change all that much...
I could be wrong...

Ill shoot you through the head. and then you can prove if death doesnt excist. NOT

[quote=PreventWildFire]We religious people don't fear death.[/quote]

As an atheist, I don't fear death either. But maybe that's just because I'm cynical T_T

Im an aethiest so I don't believe in any of those religions or death.

Well fear is primarily an emotion manufactured by humans so it goes without saying that death is man made. It was the fear of death that caused religions to come about. also, your OT is actually not even close to on topic. This thread is not about why religions/people/whatever you want to call it fear death or do not fear death it is about considering a cricumstance where death does not exist and consider what the implications would be upon religions that have afterlives and/or instances that happen beyond the biological life. I couldve just as easily said "Death doesnt exist, what would you do?" but that seems incredibly in-concrete and doesnt have a specific example to provide sufficient backing for a decent argument.

OT: It is really your opinion that people base their beliefs on fear. Many would argue that most of the creations you explained come not from fear of the unknown, but the human need to understand and control their environment. Many early people did not "fear" the sun, they simply did not understand it, and therefore tried to rationalize its existance with the means they had at their disposal. As to your main question, of course people would think differently if death did not exist, especially in regards to religion, as death is a large part of religion. It is just like if we all lived underground with no way to reach the surface, no one would care what the sun was, or what stars are. If you remove something from existance, there is no need for humans to rationalize it, or even think about it. If death never existed, it is not that we would think differently of it, we would not think of it at all.

Wow ok I should not have been away from this for so long lol. Most people, as I understand it, have a difficult time percieving things beyond themselves and their biological body. I dont blame you, it is an abstract thought. However what I am presenting, if it were brought down to a very basic level, is essentially heaven on earth. Think about it. Assuming the Catholicism is correct, you would die and, provided you lived a good enough life, go to heaven, where you would live forever. Now the same questions apply. Wouldnt you get bored of living forever? Most of you would say no right because you have god there or whatever. Thats essentially what the final forms of Singularity are, only there would be no question of whether or not it existed, it would be a unanimous fact because well, its happening. Now many of you say life without death is a nightmare. If that truly is what you believe, then why do you reject it when i propose it, but when a book that may or may not be real accounts of what happened tells you, youre all for it?

Imagine you want to be somewhere. bam. you have it now. Not because youre creating an illusion, not because you can see it in your mind, but you physically created that place. Now of course by todays standards it is an "illusion" because it would be made up of data. But what if you are made up of data? then it would be real. Now let me ask another question. If you were able to have technological blood cells that were coded to attack any malicious virus or bacteria, repair muscles quicker, and even defeat cancer. They could even go so far as making you oxygen independent. Would you do it? It would mean an integration with machine, and to some of you, becoming less human.

@Nashi
"I think therefore I am" is uniquely human because philosophically we can only prove our own existence. This goes along with this sort of "How do we know that this isnt an illusion" thing. Now we may say that dolphins are self aware, but we dont really know. We can prove that they do through what we interpret as logic, but we arent them so we dont know. We dont know whether this is reality or not, it could be some sort of magical dream. But Id rather not get too far into it because ive done it before and it gets very cyclical and nothing really comes out of it XD

@WindInTheDust: I'm not really familiar with mormonism all that much, I grew up as christian and most people around me are either christian or are somehow bible-related (I did grow up in an area that was mostly christian I guess... at least that state of the country is o.O)
I do use my skepticism/curiosity to my advantage as much as possible but at those dull times (when there's boredom, when I'm tired etc) I let my mind drift and it sometimes rotates around things that irritate me (not only religious questions but also things that happened in the past that have yet to make sense)

I kinda wanna say you also need a "healthy" (natural?) mind to be moral. I could make theories about this but I'd rather not extend this a lot more xD I dun wanna be boring or pushy or anything.

@WindInTheDust: Mmm you're an interesting person xD Sure duality is good I guess but specifically the bible makes it seem like God is holding a grudge cause of the sin.
And if the freedom of mind (which they seemingly gained by eating the "apple&quot or the realization of their nakedness (wider horizon, open-minded view, different point of view on their situation) or whatever it was is a sin then God isn't all that great if he did not let them keep living in his paradise. Why is their, what I would like to call "mental awakening" something bad, why is it something they could be punished for (other than disobeying him... but even then why did he even let that tree be there? If he never intended to have them eat it, why give them the chance? He is God, he should know the future too, right? and later on all this talk about Noah and the Arc and God drowning the "bad" humans.. it's his creation and instead of working it out WITH them he just kills them, is he too lazy to fix his own mistake?)

I haven't touched a bible in years, if not a decade, I can't tell. I used to just study it in school, accepting it as for what it was but once i got to the point where I got curious and hungry for more information it just didn't make sense anymore.
And seeing them religious people stop and think when I ask them astonishes me every time...

I'd rather not be proud of myself, it would make me feel snobby for an odd reason
and being curious and such can be a curse, my mind can barely rest, it always seeks for entertainment >.<

@SoggyToast: It's not a really a problem.. I don't really know how to explain it to make it clear.
I was affected by religion more than once. The first time when I stopped believing (believing in God really messed me up back then... I don't know if it's something in my brain LOL) and the second time when a friend that was VERY precious to me (she was not only my first real friend but also my best friend) just ditched me and left me behind BECAUSE of her beliefs. (even funnier because she told me i have found other great friends so I will not be alone. Does she not realize that everyone is unique and a dozen people can't replace one person?)

It kind of opened a "file" in my brain, I got curious as of why and how this can happen and I'm seeking answers.
Should it ever make sense I can put it to rest but up until now I've never gotten satisfying answers that are logical, there are always some weird gaps in the story and it just every time reminds me of her o.O

gawd this sounds weird but I don't know any better way to express it.

@WindInTheDust: mehh honestly I don't appreciate those one-answer-to-several-questions-thing of religions and things of that kind.
To me it makes it seem like (and sound like) "Here, take this, it answers it all. It does not directly explain and refer to what you wonder about but SHUT THE HELL UP AND DON'T ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS CAUSE THIS IS THE ULTIMATE ANSWER!"
And those are often very weirdly written and can often be interpreted in weird ways.

If Adam and Eve were the FIRST ones then what happened to those that followed? Did God create them yet again? Did he let them be in paradise? If so, how could they have made kids with Adam and Eve? Or did he create them outside of the paradise wherever Adam and Eve were? If he did, why didn't he give those creations the chance to live in paradise? Why was the chance taken from them just cause his first creations messed up?

No matter how many answers I get I always seem to find more questionable things... it's irritating in a way

@Nashi: Religious beliefs on an individual level is something personal, so as long as they aren't affecting you I don't see how that's your problem. I do believe religion is brainwashing and many religious people can't think outside that box because of it, but at the same time it is none of my business and it's not anyone's place to criticize what they believe seeing that it really doesn't affect me or anyone else or at least shouldn't. The religious belief inherently does not contribute to some mass-hating-killing-anti-progress spree as some people would like to think.

Sure it's nice if they would question their beliefs, but it's their call not someone else's.

[quote=iiKenzie]Okie dokie. First off, for me, God is not a religion, He is a relationship. So it's not whether or not I still believe in Him, it's whether or not I still communicate with him and worship and love him.
OK so.. God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in it. He created everything on earth to last forever. Adam and Eve would have lived forever if they had not sinned. They would have lived a sinless painless deathless life forever on earth, with all their offspring, and all the animals, and all the plants, and whatever else. Before Adam and Eve sinned, there was absoloutly no death. It was completely unheard of and such an obsurd idea to earth at that time. There was no death, but yet they still worshipped and believed in God. They were best friends with God.
So I think if no sin had entered the world, we would all be living a perfect life on earth, and there would be no reason for us to go to a perfect heaven, because we would already be in a perfect place. I think we would live here forever. I know that I would still believe in God if there was no death in that case. But say if all the sudden in the 21st century death just stopped? I think that I would talk to God and want to be as close to Him as possible because that would be a scary time for me, and God is my comfort. If death stopped, I would definetly still have my relationship with God.[/quote]
I'm happy for you if you can enjoy your relationship with him so much but can you explain me how sinning was even possible? Is God perfect? If he is then why did he test his creating with that tree? (Which most likely wasn't even a real apple, much more possible it was a fig or a pomegranate)
Why did he chase them out of paradise when they were his own creation, supposed to be just like him? Adam and Eve had flaws obviously, so he must have flaws too.
Isn't God everywhere? Where was he when the evil (the snake?) tempted them? Why did he let it happen?

What I also can't figure out is: Incest is not allowed, right? How did we get to this point when there was just Adam and Eve? They had kids - and then? Who did they mate with?

there are so many more questions about this but I'd rather not push them all on you. I've asked someone very religious before (he was pretty much blinded by his parents as they are horribly religious to a, in my opinion, sick extend, and he sure is easing up...) and his answers partly made no sense or he did not know an answer. That tells me that many people (not all prolly) follow this man-written book blindly, they don't question anything.
Many grow up in their mental cage, they're used to it and questioning the logical reason behind things would just make them doubt I guess..

Some other religions that include God (you may prefer to call it sects...) are really bad about the cage.
I actually had someone quit our friendship because of her religion. She told me it's not because of her beliefs and she just wants to "walk a new path".
Strange enough her emails ever since started having perfect grammar (she always had issues with it). She told me they have daily meetings/talks too, that "fun" is distraction and meeting me iRL (she was in my class before, then moved to America), would tempt her to have fun which would distract her from serving God and all that....
It sure is an extreme, but it sickens me when people blindly follow something, letting their religion change their behavior and personality etc... I could rant about this forever </3

[quote=dragon66]Life, is to enjoy your selves, make money, live happily, and then die. Nothing else.[/quote]

Arent you unsatistfied with that? That seems a bit nihilistic to me. Living that way must carry a lot of burdens

I got a religious question: Why are you such a pagan asshole.

[quote=iiKenzie]Okie dokie. First off, for me, God is not a religion, He is a relationship. So it's not whether or not I still believe in Him, it's whether or not I still communicate with him and worship and love him.
OK so.. God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in it. He created everything on earth to last forever. Adam and Eve would have lived forever if they had not sinned. They would have lived a sinless painless deathless life forever on earth, with all their offspring, and all the animals, and all the plants, and whatever else. Before Adam and Eve sinned, there was absoloutly no death. It was completely unheard of and such an obsurd idea to earth at that time. There was no death, but yet they still worshipped and believed in God. They were best friends with God.
So I think if no sin had entered the world, we would all be living a perfect life on earth, and there would be no reason for us to go to a perfect heaven, because we would already be in a perfect place. I think we would live here forever. I know that I would still believe in God if there was no death in that case. But say if all the sudden in the 21st century death just stopped? I think that I would talk to God and want to be as close to Him as possible because that would be a scary time for me, and God is my comfort. If death stopped, I would definetly still have my relationship with God.[/quote]

Why can't more people be like you?

[quote=Numbuh1NL]Noah's Ark is a lie.. and adam and eve weren't the first things on earth. The dinosaurs were, and they don't come out in the bible. Bible = Something people should be wiping thier asses with.[/quote]

Do you mind i care what you say? LOL hf in the hell

@Skeletor303: I'm like 6 minutes in, it kind of sounds like a forced change of our minds/state (he's after all talking about technology and to keep up with the speed we have to enhance our "intelligence&quot
Also, cats might just see another cat but dolphins actually are self aware. They realize that what they see in a mirror is themselves. Not all animals might be like that but some sure are.

Also, so far he's dragging this situation quite near to us, I guess that's a little different from what I talked about.
This movie SEEMS to be about man-caused change whereas I meant that evolution might lead us to the state of just consisting of a kinda energy or light, something we would maybe achieve within the next million years maybe, if ever.
I kind of focus more on the natural (genetic/biological) evolution rather than the technological.

That's a scary thought, enhancing our intelligence.... many people might not even be compatible with it, things like drugs or alcohol might mess the system up too and I don't think there's a way mankind would be able to take a change like that peacefully, the whole world can't change/enhance/improve at the same time.

I'm sure i'm missing a lot still though, I'm 16mins in right now. xD

But the idea of being bored, creating a reality where you cease to exist.. What if what and who we are right now is just a "dream" of a superior being that got tired of existing, creating our reality, creating the circle of death and life to spare us from boredom?

and trust me i do enjoy discussing this too, I really love new views and more interesting information.
especially compared to what I would do otherwise right now ...

Edit: What if the reason for us longing for a superior state of mind is because we are the creation of the being that created our reality? In the end it's still a circle of "life" and "death", of existence and nothingness. Should we get to the same point we might just as well get tired and create another world, another galaxy, universe or dimension and in the end it might just repeat what has happened before. an endless loop.

[quote=Rtyu]@Skeletor303: Then someone will shut off the computer [/quote]

...there is no computer to turn off.

[quote=Nashi]@Skeletor303: "I think therefore I am" doesn't quite mean that you're HUMAN cause you're able to exist. Animals do think too (they also seem to have dreams and they analyze and work techniques out to get to their goal which is often food )
You kinda sound like you're talking of a theory someone has told me before, that one day we will get rid of our bodies and just our "minds" or "souls" will keep existing, with all possible knowledge and we will have a direct impact on ourselves (and maybe even others/other things)
But is that really a desirable goal? Being stuck in eternity, changing yourself or your surroundings by your liking until the end of time?
I imagine it boring and, should you be free like that, there would be no limits to where you're going and you would own all the information our universe and times/dimensions could give.. what then?
You can't gather more information, you can't learn more, you can't have any progress there.
Should you be in a perfect state without your body, without pain and starvation, without emotional suffering then what is there to achieve and experience?
Wouldn't you be satisfied with how everything is because that's HOW it is and that's the truth (as in that is how it truly is), why trying to modify?
Especially why modify your memories, gather lies inside of you?

I think should you ever get to such a position you would not change anymore and you would feel no desire to change anything either. Eventually it sounds like it could get boring and "we" would force a new beginning with the desirable progress, with life and death forming an endless circle, life giving the chance to improve something, death finishing what can't go further and making space for the new lives to come, letting Evolution have it's natural and righteous place making existence an adventure of failure and improvement...

<.< Well I dun wanna think further and write a whole book, I hope you just kinda get my point. I'll go get noms now [/quote]

There is no end to knowledge, but i get your point. Let me put it to you this way? If youre tired of playing Maplestory what do you do? something else right? thats a given, well now what happens when youre bored of that? you move on to another thing and another thing, until you feel like playing MS again. Its the same premise for what im talking about. There is an infinite time to learn about an infinite number of things. And "I think therefore I am" is a uniquely human term, because we are self aware. A cat is not self aware, its evident by how they see another cat in the mirror instead of themselves. Also, consider this: If you were bored with living on forever, couldnt you create a reality where you ceased to exist? I see youre actually thinking about this, which I enjoy. I suggest this for you:
[url=http://www.hulu.com/watch/295707/transcendent-man]Transcendent Man[/url]
I warn you, It is an hour and a half long, so only watch it if you have the motivation and the time. Its not entirely what im bringing up here, but it sums up most of it pretty well and it explains where I come from

@Skeletor303: "I think therefore I am" doesn't quite mean that you're HUMAN cause you're able to exist. Animals do think too (they also seem to have dreams and they analyze and work techniques out to get to their goal which is often food )
You kinda sound like you're talking of a theory someone has told me before, that one day we will get rid of our bodies and just our "minds" or "souls" will keep existing, with all possible knowledge and we will have a direct impact on ourselves (and maybe even others/other things)
But is that really a desirable goal? Being stuck in eternity, changing yourself or your surroundings by your liking until the end of time?
I imagine it boring and, should you be free like that, there would be no limits to where you're going and you would own all the information our universe and times/dimensions could give.. what then?
You can't gather more information, you can't learn more, you can't have any progress there.
Should you be in a perfect state without your body, without pain and starvation, without emotional suffering then what is there to achieve and experience?
Wouldn't you be satisfied with how everything is because that's HOW it is and that's the truth (as in that is how it truly is), why trying to modify?
Especially why modify your memories, gather lies inside of you?

I think should you ever get to such a position you would not change anymore and you would feel no desire to change anything either. Eventually it sounds like it could get boring and "we" would force a new beginning with the desirable progress, with life and death forming an endless circle, life giving the chance to improve something, death finishing what can't go further and making space for the new lives to come, letting Evolution have it's natural and righteous place making existence an adventure of failure and improvement...

<.< Well I dun wanna think further and write a whole book, I hope you just kinda get my point. I'll go get noms now

[quote=Rtyu]@Skeletor303: Nope, but that can still be killed![/quote]

The Technological singularity is where there is an intellectual explosion, most commonly starting with AI. Knowledge and data will improove so fast that we will have to integrate technology into ourselves to be able to keep up with it. Eventually, we will be able to get rid of our biological bodies, including our brain, and be able to move about, whether as data or implanted in manufactured bodies. our memories, our thoughts, our very psycological existence will be backed up. Man will overcome death.

[quote=Nashi]There always has to be a dark side to a bright one.
Without death what would life be like?
Giving life wouldn't really be possible (and especially not natural anymore...), evolution would have NO chance and if nobody would really not die then there would at least be the suffering fighting against the happiness of an "eternal life", basically you would eternally suffer.
But wait it wouldn't even get that far because how would life start if there is no opposite to it and no evolution either?
The world would only have protozoans and nothing more, they wouldn't die, they wouldn't change... What would they eat? Food has to "die" too...

it's out of question what would be if there would be no death. There simply would be nothing.

I just woke so I'm kinda failing to make it clear, I hope you understand it anyway. (Don't even give me the "What if", my brain seriously can't work with questions like that.. I need stuff to make sense to be able to think further)[/quote]

Good point, but there will be a time where man transcends his biological body, thus no need to eat, sleep etc. Birth would still be possible, but it would be manufactured. Evolution would have no place anymore, at least not natural biological evolution. We would manufacture better versions of ourselves, improve recursively at am exponential rate. So I guess the real question is "How far does man go before it is considered to be no longer man?" I myself go along with the philosophy of "I think therefore I am." So that means I can modify my body, modify my thinking process, modify my memories, even forgo a physical manifestation, and I would still consider myself a human, as long as I still have the capacity to think.

[quote=champt][/quote]
Good and Evil are subjective and opinion based. what you or your god thinks is good may not necessarily correspond to what others believe. Lets look at the past of christianity shall we? Wars, crusades, terrorism, all in the name of god. Do you really believe that these are "good"? Of course you dont. But they did, and If a god existed and is immortal, one of you has to correspond with him. There is no good and no evil. just opinions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvhGeNzdRZA I'd like to share this :l
I'd like you to look for John 3:16 too.
that's the reason why i adore God

As the Bible says Adan & Eva were first made by God, from then we were born all of us.
Obviusly, i know what he wants because the Bible clearly explains what to.
If God hadn's exist i'd just continue my life as it should be, but God always existed, at first human declined His name that's why "Noe Arc" ? After that human stil didn't recognize him as the Lord, but He saw some good people, God was from the beggining of humanity, he was at the beggining of all

There always has to be a dark side to a bright one.
Without death what would life be like?
Giving life wouldn't really be possible (and especially not natural anymore...), evolution would have NO chance and if nobody would really not die then there would at least be the suffering fighting against the happiness of an "eternal life", basically you would eternally suffer.
But wait it wouldn't even get that far because how would life start if there is no opposite to it and no evolution either?
The world would only have protozoans and nothing more, they wouldn't die, they wouldn't change... What would they eat? Food has to "die" too...

it's out of question what would be if there would be no death. There simply would be nothing.

I just woke so I'm kinda failing to make it clear, I hope you understand it anyway. (Don't even give me the "What if", my brain seriously can't work with questions like that.. I need stuff to make sense to be able to think further)

[quote=Rtyu]Death will always exist![/quote]

Not necessarily, ever heard of the Technological Singularity?

[quote=CheetoFan]Don't u understand? I adore Him because He gift me a life. What people does with it, it's their prob.[/quote]

Actually your mother gave you a life. and her mother gave her a life etc etc. and all the way back to the most microscopic organism. Let me ask you another question. Do you subscribe to the thought of the Law of Evolution? Or do you believe man was put on this earth as is?
In any case believing 100% in something doesnt make it concrete. Have you given a thought to what youre doing with your life if God didnt exist? and if he did exist, how can you be sure youre doing what he/she/it wants? Maybe your god actually doesnt approve of humans in the first place. I think its rather conceited to think that of all the sentient life forms in all the galaxies in the universe, an omnipresent being concerns himself with specifically you and specifically our race. and not just the human race as a whole. A select few who subcribe to the thought of his existence, and of THOSE, a select few who follow the rules that he puts out. It just seems self centered.

[quote=Roy8484]@CheetoFan: Then there's no purpose, you're not living in freedom, you're literally living the life someone else wants so congratulations you're living a meaningless life that serves no purpose to humanity.[/quote]

Don't u understand? I adore Him because He gift me a life. What people does with it, it's their prob.

@CheetoFan: Then there's no purpose, you're not living in freedom, you're literally living the life someone else wants so congratulations you're living a meaningless life that serves no purpose to humanity.

[quote=ThaiF00D]Reincarnate>going to heaven[/quote]

I know what you mean but i think "reincarnate" is the wrong word. reincarnate means to revive in the physical body, we revive with the our soul o-o

[quote=Skeletor303]Thats both romantic in the poetic sense, nihilistic. What if you find there is no God? What would you do? Im not trying to come off as a jerk im just curious.[/quote]

That's what makes people curious. By not having faith that He's real "What if you find there is no God? What would you do?" My answer is I wouldn't do anything because I believe in Him and im 100% sure im safe because Jesus died in the cross for me.

[quote=CheetoFan]I do. My only reason to live is to love and adore God[/quote]

Thats both romantic in the poetic sense, nihilistic. What if you find there is no God? What would you do? Im not trying to come off as a jerk im just curious.

[quote=Roy8484]Do you even feel that there is a purpose to live if you think your whole life has already been planned?[/quote]

I do. My only reason to live is to love and adore God

[quote=Jobrjo]All death is is a going from this world to the etenral and spiritual one, either Heaven or Hell.

If death didn't exist... what kind of question is that? We can all still be killed. Wth life comes death... idk how to reply lol. [/quote]

We can only be killed if we have a physical body. there may be a time where we no longer have any attachment to a biological body. Whe can download our brains our memories... all into a different, stonger synthetic "body". and if by some miracle THAT is destroyed, everything would be available to boot up again. Death would not exist.

As for there being infinite time, yes you could theoretically say that there would be laziness, but all you ever needed to know would be available to you if you so chose. In an infinite timeline, "Taking swimming lessons is a few years" would seem like only a week or so. We as humans have the capacity for so much more then just basic thought.

@looknfquring

Not everyone blames God in a time of weakness. I actually have the capacity to take the blame on myself and accept that things are my fault, and if I run into a rough patch I try to fix it instead of blaming others. Imagine that.

[quote=Jobrjo]All death is is a going from this world to the etenral and spiritual one, either Heaven or Hell.

If death didn't exist... what kind of question is that? We can all still be killed. Wth life comes death... idk how to reply lol. [/quote]

He's asking if there was nothing your so called god could do that could smite you or send you to hell because death and suffering never existed would you still be religious.

[quote=Chewacala][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY]Thank me later[/url]
And no, I don't go to any church.[/quote]

That video is full of contradiction and false-logic, he's literally saying "I hate fruits, but I love apples". Anyone who actually believes or is convinced by that guy should be exiled from society.

religious people don't convert out of fear (as least they aren't supposed to), as that isn't the point of converting
you're assuming that people who follow x religion do so because they're scared something which is not necessarily true

they actually genuinely believe in islam, christianity, sikhism etc etc
fear isn't the driving force

[quote=CheetoFan]Is it sarcasm? rofl
Why do u say that/.[/quote]

Do you even feel that there is a purpose to live if you think your whole life has already been planned?

[quote=Roy8484]what a great outlook you have on life.[/quote]

Is it sarcasm? rofl
Why do u say that/.

[quote=CheetoFan]Amen. lololol
P.D: God had already planed everything.[/quote]

what a great outlook you have on life.

@OP
If you look at religious groups, the ones that promise "nice" eternal life after death are the most popular, e.g. Christianity while others e.g. Buddhism which give alternative/less "posh" outlooks after death are less popular. So to answer you yes religion feeds off the insecurities of humanity mainly death and hence if death didn't exist religion would probably cease to exist, because ultimately how these cults lure people into believing their bogus is through mental terrorism of where people will go after death because even the stupidest people realise death is inevitable and uncontrollable and it is because of this that even the slightest bit of mental security religion can provide them is enough to pull them into these cults. But seriously to all those Christians out there, the only reason you experience happiness and fulfilment is through comparison with yourself and those who are less fortunate, in your so called "heaven" there is only perfection and without this comparison happiness and fulfilment wouldn't exist?

[quote=Abolition2]Jesus doesn't expect you to die in order to go to His kingdom.[/quote]

Thank you for at least partially answering my question. So do you think your religion would adapt to that age where death didnt exist? Could you even call it the same religion if it didnt have all the same beliefs?

[quote=Abolition2]Jesus doesn't expect you to die in order to go to His kingdom.[/quote]

Amen. lololol
P.D: God had already planed everything.

Death is the beggining of a new life up there with Him

EDIT: Faith is what you need not to be scared of death

[quote=PreventWildFire]We religious people don't fear death.[/quote]

I think you missed what im saying. I know you dont fear death, but the basis of your ideas came out of that fear, which is why you now dont fear it.

The point here is that im asking you to think beyond yourselves for a minute and look into what you would believe if death did not exist. Obviously it does, but there may be a point in time where it does not. What will happen in the future after that? will there still be this belief that there is life after death when no one dies?

[quote=Roy8484][/quote]
Well yes and no. Your analogy is decent i think, but its a bit deeper then that. Maybe people would still believe in these things, I dont know. Logically yes your answer is the right one, but there are lots of things in the universe that dont logically make sense, but are still correct. Thats why we strive to find the reason for these things, which is what I'm trying to do here

Your question is literally saying, if you don't need to go to school but could still gain all the education if you had would you still go to school? There's no need for speculation or opinion because logically the only answer is no.