Could a Db possibly beat Ab in some bossing scenarios?
Obviously if a boss is multiple targets that cannot be hit within the range of Asura, than AB would win, but it would appear that out of all the classes, Asura brings DB the closest to ABs bossing power, especially against single target bosses, or bosses that have multiple targets in a confined space that Asura can hit.
Now I have no idea what ABs highest possible DPM is. I know their gigantic pink tornado hits about 2 times per second for a max of 100m.
What I have so far for DB calculations is this, with max damage:
In one second without FA:
Asura: 9,999,999 x 3 x 1.7 x (1000/270) = 188,699,981.13 per second.
FA (with Asura): 9,999,999 x 1.7 x (1000/270) = 62,899,993.71 per second
Both = 251,599,974.84 per second + venom damage which varies based on range.
In ten seconds, they will have hit
2,515,999,748.4.
I believe it's plausible that DB can solo smaller bosses like Zakum and Pap, and possibly Empress, in about the same time if not less than AB. In one second, they do the required damage to kill Pap and Zakum (a little less than 2 seconds) anyways.
Thoughts?
Edit: Clearly some people are taking this thread the wrong way, so my main purpose is to state that out of all the classes, DBs are possibly the closest to ABs in power after Hyper skills.
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[quote=CaptCandy]Actually, soul resonance hits 4 times per second.[/quote]
Someone just posted the tornado's delay, which is 480 ms with decent SI. Thats 2-3 times per second.
But it doesn't matter really. We're all going to become powerpuff girls/sailor moon.
[quote=goegg2]3 seconds is in fact not bad, but daul blades can only do this in intervals of 60 seconds and lasts only 10 seconds.
Whereas AB's can do this constantly not stop but 2x stronger.[/quote]
not 60 seconds, it's 90 seconds if I'm not mistaken.
Actually, soul resonance hits 4 times per second.
[quote=FinalFate] I wonder if we will ever beat abs[/quote]
Hah, when hell freezes over.
@ClassOf12:
I watched the video with a timer. It only hits 2-3 times per second.
Still, AB beats all.
[quote=imnew09]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hQbd2YPmo4
enough said.[/quote]
Holy.........that was nuts
[quote=ItzATrapp]Now I have no idea what ABs highest possible DPM is. I know their gigantic pink tornado hits about 2 times per second for a max of 100m.[/quote]
The tornado hits 4 times a second
never compare any jobs ESPECIALLY db to AB. NEVER. AB are prob gonna take over maple...
[quote=FinalFate]hmmm -imagines combat orders + venom + max range + additonal potential boost + cooldown all the way down all the time +asura hitting cap 6times with mi-
That would be wicked =D[/quote]
I wonder what could be the best range a DB could even obtain. Highest I have seen is 310k.
ur right for 10 second then wrong after asura is done since hard magnus has way more hp than u think
@goegg2:
Look at Angelic Busters skill %s, then look at how much damage some ABs are doing. Their main skills are around 500%.
Also, I only said that it's totally possible for someone to hit 9,999,999 with a 500% skill. For you to say it's not possible is extremely ignorant.
[quote=goegg2]Where are you pulling this out from? Your arse?
320%? Thats like saying, hitting 99M with Phantom Blow + Final cut.
The only skill that AB can hit up to 99M is their hyper skill. All the other skills are capped at 10-30M.[/quote]
AB has 6 skills that can pass the cap, 2 of which can go up to 99,999,999 (Finitura Fettuccia and soul resonance), 2 skills that cap at 30m and 40m, and only soul seeker and their hyper skill does around 10m
Im pretty sure that just factoring the fact that the tornado can hit about 2 times per second (I'm assuming you are right) and it can hit 99 999 999, 20*100, 000, 000 = 2 000, 000, 000 (rounded). Plus the Hyper skill, I'm pretty sure it can hit more than 2.5b.
@Voetsek:
Some ABs are hitting 99,999,999 with a 320% skill. So it's totally possible.
[quote=FalenXangel]@BimmieMcGee: you're very welcome. I feel the difference between KMS and GMS will be astounding due to the massive number of illegitimate equips going around (I saw a 175 atk Craven the other day with 24EE)... For example, take the recent CZAK by Zero[/quote]
Why is zero's vid a big deal? It was a czak TRIO of some of the strongest players in windia; not to say they're legit, but even comparing that to AB is asinine, and comparing ANYTHING "strong" in gms, to the potential magnitude of strength someone can achieve with proportionally speaking - equal funding - is even more so; ridiculous. We can't touch them, and I have a feeling that even if we do get AB, it will be heavily adjusted.
@AckarRed: It's the number that comes before 1 and after -1.
Then again, numbers aren't sentient so I guess that doesn't make sense, does it.
[quote=BimmieMcGee]Zero says hello.[/quote]
Don't know who that feller is.
[quote=AckarRed]Their funding is far better than your duped equips.[/quote]
Zero says hello.
[quote=BimmieMcGee]@FalenXangel: We have the illegitimate equips, they have the ridiculous funding. Sorta evens out, kinda.[/quote]
Their funding is far better than your duped equips.
@BimmieMcGee: that remains to be seen, but point taken
@FalenXangel: We have the illegitimate equips, they have the ridiculous funding. Sorta evens out, kinda.
@BimmieMcGee: you're very welcome. I feel the difference between KMS and GMS will be astounding due to the massive number of illegitimate equips going around (I saw a 175 atk Craven the other day with 24EE)... For example, take the recent CZAK by Zero
@FalenXangel: And I agreed. Just restated my point.
But a sincere and hearty thanks for informing me of that fact.
[quote=ItzATrapp]@Voetsek:
That's without max damage.
There is no boss with that much HP. There is a limit to the HP on a boss, just like a meso limit, etc. 10 seconds is enough.[/quote]
See Hard Magnus. Someone estimated he has ~1T HP. I doubt that; 100B seems likely though.
@BimmieMcGee: I just said I wasn't arguing your point but merely stating a fact...
As a fellow DB. Your flying to close to the sun and your going to get burnt. DB's will never be on the same level of a AB unless they massively nerf ab's or massively buff db's. Even with attempting to hit the dmg cap of 10m AB's can hit well over max on all their skills if im not mistaken.
@FalenXangel: oh alrighty
Still other two are valid points, no?
[quote=BimmieMcGee]@ItzATrapp: Heals, extreme PDR, multiple forms, etc.[/quote]
not here to argue your point, but I just wanna say Asura is 100% PDR
@ItzATrapp: Heals, extreme PDR, multiple forms, etc.
@Voetsek:
That's without max damage.
[quote=BimmieMcGee]So DBs hit 2,515,999,748.4. damage for 10 seconds. Then they have a long cooldown before they can do it again.
ABs don't have that problem.[/quote]
There is no boss with that much HP. There is a limit to the HP on a boss, just like a meso limit, etc. 10 seconds is enough.
[quote=vi3tGirlv58]will DB's be able to still be in top 10 after AB released[/quote]
after hyper skills? Probably, since PB is buffed passively (extra hit ftw) and the active hyper skills are pretty ridiculous
will DB's be able to still be in top 10 after AB released
So DBs hit 2,515,999,748.4. damage for 10 seconds. Then they have a long cooldown before they can do it again.
ABs don't have that problem.
Not even close. You gotta look at the big picture. Sure you might be able to solo things faster, but those are useless bosses (e.g pap). Look at a boss like magnus. Angelic burster completely dominated the normal one, and even killed the hard mode. I have a yet to see even a db kill the normal one. Not saying it's impossible, but ab is on a whole new level compared to top dpm classes like mechs/dbs/mercedes/kaiser.
Pap, I guess. The spawn times are what keep people from soloing in <1 second.
Anything else, you're completely outdone by Finitura Fettuccia's damage boost/AB's link skill's damage boost/Soul Seeker/Soul Resonance.
As adorable as it is that you're trying to compare DB to AB, I suggest you give up. Angelic Buster is going to destroy absolutely every other class in DPS/M.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hQbd2YPmo4
enough said.
you forgot you thing, db can't hit the whole map, so dbs can't solo zak or ht faster