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@sumyounguy
I think it would be multiplicative due to skills like corsairs eight legs easton getting 20% would increase damage per sec from 2360%-2440% if additive, whilst a skill like ishtars ring would go from 1760%-2080%. This will mean a very unfair advantage to classes which hit fast at low %'s compared to slow hitting classes with high %'s

@Laika: Yeah you pretty much wont have to use it as long as your DF doesnt drop to 0 some how like other posters said.

[quote=Ravens]Actualy they have the passives on b-step and other such things are all multiplicative[/quote]

That's news to me. I was under the impression it was +20% onto the skill not +20% total damage of the skill. Although I would like more proof.

[quote=Laika]Off topic- but sorry if this is a silly question,
does anyone know if casting cerberus requires any DF?[/quote]

Requires no DF.

@sumyounguy: And i apologize for my outburst.

Mmm just witnessed two mature men resolve an argument on basil, today is a good and rare day

@ajwright92: @sumyounguy: Yea I was reading Max's blog and was wondering that too.
If yes then I'll probably never have to use lash! wheeee no more finger smashing.

[quote=Laika]Off topic- but sorry if this is a silly question,
does anyone know if casting cerberus requires any DF?[/quote]
Thats actually a good question o.o it doesnt say how much it uses on the description on orange mushroom's blog.

[quote=KingsGlory]@sumyounguy: I will admit i did not react in the best way.[/quote]

Well let bygones be bygones. If you were offended then I apologize.

@laika Doesn't actually say the cost it just says it regens dark force. Here's the skill description right from max's blog.

A huge demon is summoned to steal the souls of up to 8 enemies in front of you, dealing 450% damage 6 times while ignoring 50% of the monsters' defense. On boss monsters, your damage is increased by 50%. After attacking, regain 50 Demon Force. There is a cooldown of 5 seconds. The maximum damage for this skill is 9,999,999.

@sumyounguy: I will admit i did not react in the best way.

Off topic- but sorry if this is a silly question,
does anyone know if casting cerberus requires any DF?

@KingsGlory: Like I said it depends on how you looked at it. I was bewildered by what you said and you just took offense.

@sumyounguy: There is no way you could have stated what you said without being rude.

[quote=KingsGlory]@sumyounguy: You could have easily stated what you originally said without the rude tone. Do you deny this?[/quote]

Depends on if you perceived it as rude or not which you did. I could have made my statement milder but I wasn't calling you any names or putting you down was I?

@sumyounguy: You could have easily stated what you originally said without the rude tone. Do you deny this?

@KingsGlory: I know what it means when you wouldn't reply to rude "asswipes". The only person doing any name calling is you

@ramenrulz: Well Takeback3r says differently. http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2541657/2#comments_list

@sumyounguy: Learn what hypocritical means. http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2541657/2#comments_list

[quote=KingsGlory]@ramenrulz: wouldn't that be the same thing in the end though?

@sumyounguy: I'm not replying to rude asswipes.[/quote]

Hypocritical statement. Of course you wouldn't reply when you were so wrong in the first place.

@gargantula2 Yeah that's the kind of damage you expect on bosses when unfunded with maxed out str. Honestly he isn't weak at all with that kind of output with no effort. Just weak if you considered that funded.

@sumyounguy:

O yea yea, I was wrong. xD I forgot DS got a nice revamp, I just checked their revamp details.

@ramenrulz: wouldn't that be the same thing in the end though?

@sumyounguy: I'm not replying to rude asswipes.

I feel like demon slayers have gotten buffed so much in this update. They almost never have to use lash again, since a) all skills had df usage reduced, b) boundless rage (endless fury?) last longer, c) blue blood makes skills use even less df, and d) cerberus refills your gauge.

[quote=KingsGlory]the 20% dmg hyper doesnt make it 340% it makes it 384%.[/quote]

The damage is additive not multiplicative. I don't why the hell you would think it works that way when maple has never increased damage by insane amounts like that or worded it in that fashion.

[quote=ramenrulz]@KingsGlory not 20% of the %320 its 20% of your range. So you would add it.[/quote]

pretty sure it's 20% of the skill damage. can you show me evidence that it's otherwise?

[quote=sumyounguy]No it doesn't make a difference because with the demon impact hyper it adds 20% dmg making it 340%. It's only level 155 required to get that so this is applicable to all the DS's in the vid. The 196 DS is unfunded his damage seems exactly how it should be with crappy gear.[/quote]

the 20% dmg hyper doesnt make it 340% it makes it 384%.

I guess that keeps our class less bandwagoned fine with me

Doubt it. The DS forums on release were all asking about skill builds.

Ah I hope the DS's forums get a bit more lively once by the time we get these skills.

[quote=ajwright92]@sumyounguy: The extra hits make it way better. I know for sure ill slip up a few times and use it. is it me or was DI's speed increased again.[/quote]

Hard to tell. I haven't used DS since the revamp with a fast weapon.

@sumyounguy: The extra hits make it way better. I know for sure ill slip up a few times and use it. is it me or was DI's speed increased again.

@ajwright92: I actually like lash and would use it too. He probably was used to using lash because he was use to the former play style.

[quote=sumyounguy]@ramenrulz: Yeah they most likely put in the CD to stop the abuse of using a meta that doesn't DR. I'm glad they took the CD down to 90 seconds though it makes it less of a hassle then to wait for it to fully disappear.

@above I think all DS videos are welcomed.[/quote]

I added it with the other ones , im surprised the guy actually used lash a bit.
In a way since we can spam DI its like we have a sort of transformation.

@ramenrulz: Yeah they most likely put in the CD to stop the abuse of using a meta that doesn't DR. I'm glad they took the CD down to 90 seconds though it makes it less of a hassle then to wait for it to fully disappear.

@above I think all DS videos are welcomed.

[quote=sumyounguy]@ajwright92: Yeah for 60 seconds then we go back to normal. BORING. But seriously so much of these videos are giving me a lot of hype for DS again.[/quote]

Lol 60 sec.... what a tease I found a hilla vid of a 200 DS idk if you guys would want to see it tho.
These videos make me sorta of happy for deciding to refund my DS. I was gonna make a kaiser but I found myself gettting addicted to DS's status resist and Animations.
Not to mention the ability to protect your own maps when training.

@ramenrulz: Yeah pretty much. I was depressed at the 1 set of hypers because it was carrion. At least I got the DR ignore I've been waiting for for meta.

@ramenrulz: No it's not. Joetang calculated it being 11.1 hits/sec vs DI doing 11.48/sec.

@ajwright92: Yeah for 60 seconds then we go back to normal. BORING. But seriously so much of these videos are giving me a lot of hype for DS again.

[quote=sumyounguy]@ajwright92: I believe it's just an indicator to show that you have the buff currently on. Never took notice until you mentioned it.[/quote]

I didnt realize it till after I put the videos on. I guess we have another orb to tag along with us. Pretty cool huh ?

@ajwright92: I believe it's just an indicator to show that you have the buff currently on. Never took notice until you mentioned it.

[quote=sumyounguy]Meta buffs are by far superior to that of carrion. If you are doing more hits per sec with demon impact+meta than you are with carrion+meta there is no point in giving carrion any attention (refer to joetangs warrior comparison thread on southperry). For me, I don't see a reason to get any of the carrion hypers due to the fact that carrion is not used during 1v1 scenarios because of points mentioned earlier.[/quote]

Hmm good point I dont even find myself using carrion now honestly . Not to mention the extra boss dmg and ignore def from DI that carrion doesnt have. Ill stick to Impact/Meta Hypers then , Still confused about the small orb animations from Meta/blue blood are they just place holders?

[quote=ajwright92]@ramenrulz Yeah that basically what I was thinking when it comes down to lash, like you said only if you hit 0 df or so. Yeah I'm currently 113k range at lev 195 atm, I still have to max mw at 10 atm. So i dont think id be capping on Carrion breath either way.
Im a bit confused about the new meta though, in the animation whats with the new 3rd dark orb with wings, and its another one with blue blood . Whats that about?

@sumyoungguy So do you think If we dont max any of the carrion breath buffs we could infact be able to max all of the DI passives and meta buffs? Thats really one of the things that confuses me about the hyper skill points.[/quote]

Meta buffs are by far superior to that of carrion. If you are doing more hits per sec with demon impact+meta than you are with carrion+meta there is no point in giving carrion any attention (refer to joetangs warrior comparison thread on southperry). For me, I don't see a reason to get any of the carrion hypers due to the fact that carrion is not used during 1v1 scenarios because of points mentioned earlier.

[quote=ajwright92]@ramenrulz Yeah that basically what I was thinking when it comes down to lash, like you said only if you hit 0 df or so. Yeah I'm currently 113k range at lev 195 atm, I still have to max mw at 10 atm. So i dont think id be capping on Carrion breath either way.
Im a bit confused about the new meta though, in the animation whats with the new 3rd dark orb with wings, and its another one with blue blood . Whats that about?

How much % str and attack total do you have to get that range? just wondering cause I want to figure what mine will be

@ramenrulz Yeah that basically what I was thinking when it comes down to lash, like you said only if you hit 0 df or so. Yeah I'm currently 113k range at lev 195 atm, I still have to max mw at 10 atm. So i dont think id be capping on Carrion breath either way.
Im a bit confused about the new meta though, in the animation whats with the new 3rd dark orb with wings, and its another one with blue blood . Whats that about?

@sumyoungguy So do you think If we dont max any of the carrion breath buffs we could infact be able to max all of the DI passives and meta buffs? Thats really one of the things that confuses me about the hyper skill points.

[quote=ajwright92]I had a feeling that's what you were talking about I wasn't really sure . Yeah your right.
Btw Which passive hyper skills would you advise maxing?
Would Lash even be worth using anymore since we can basically spam DI/Cerberbus?[/quote]

I'm most likely going to get all the demon impact and meta ones because they seem the most useful. I was reading on southperry that the carrion breath spam even at max damage isn't as good as using demon impact because of the cast delays on it. I don't think lashing will even be necessary because of cerebrus so yeah lash is pointless now unless you somehow use up all your force.

I had a feeling that's what you were talking about I wasn't really sure . Yeah your right.
Btw Which passive hyper skills would you advise maxing?
Would Lash even be worth using anymore since we can basically spam DI/Cerberbus?

[quote=ajwright92]In the update impact was only increased to 320% if that makes a difference.[/quote]

No it doesn't make a difference because with the demon impact hyper it adds 20% dmg making it 340%. It's only level 155 required to get that so this is applicable to all the DS's in the vid. The 196 DS is unfunded his damage seems exactly how it should be with crappy gear.

In the update impact was only increased to 320% if that makes a difference.

[quote=gargantula2]that lvl 196 ds isn't unfunded at all.[/quote]

He looks pretty weak to me. You get 30% EXTRA damage on bosses toppled up with 340% dmg demon impact with 100% crit? Yeah looks like unfunded.

that lvl 196 ds isn't unfunded at all.

When is it getting nerfed?

Edit: It's so much stronger They should add HP to all the monsters.

Yeah thats the vid I was speaking of , I was trying to find out his range be he never showed sadly...

What I generally consider unfunded is all clean/low leveled items.
In the video description the user claimed to be unfunded so I just assumed he was unfunded.