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It's not like anyone else is any more well known than he is nowadays anyway. You guys are nobodies too, and he can have his own opinion.

Personally, I'd take advantage of the low tyrant prices and hold off on the RA equips. Perhaps the fafnir dbg alone, if you have some extra money.

[quote=williamme]I'm Aceee7- I do not give bad advice. You seem to forget that a full set of empress (ignoring the cape for the tyrant) will still provide 45att, and need I reiterate that IT IS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE and EFFICIENT. A CLEAN piece of RA will run you down 2b+ while a 15% dex piece of Empress will only be around 1.5b tops. So would you rather spend 10b on clean RA or 8b on %DEX empress (~75%dex)... Don't embarrass yourself.[/quote]

You're a nobody as far as Windia is concerned, so no need to state your ign mister high and mighty

@Takeback3r: I never said it's not better.... If you can read properly, I clearly stated that it is better, but it is more wise to invest in empress at the time being rather than blindly spending 10b+ on clean equip...

[quote=nikeball123]Honestly don't go for empress. [b]I can't find anyone that want to buy cubed/scrolled emp set lol.[/b][/quote]

I do... on my main (it's a mage but whatever) I currently use 6 piece Empress with a Nova cape. Perhaps someday I'll swap that out for Tyrant, but not before I get the belt first. True, a Root Abyss set leaves a lot more room for improvement, but some of us are perfectly content with not being the best of the best and would prefer to spend some money now and fund minimally afterward - similarly to how a 90% average in school takes exponentially more effort than an 80%, going from decent to better in Maple takes more time and cash than what may be considered reasonable to different players.

My personal recommendation for a 20b budget is two Tyrants and a fully scrolled and cubed Empress set. Choosing clean RA and Tyrant using 20b and then cubing later seems like going significantly over budget, but if that's cool with you then so be it.

Edit: oh nevermind. Lucky LGR from Marvel wow o.o

Hey guys, I just got an LGR 2 days ago and ended up trading it for a FULL set Tyrant (includes 5star aee'd cloak, belt [clean] & shoe [clean] all cubed to epic) + 2/4 RA [Unique Hat + Epic Top]

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

EDIT: Just enhanced my belt to 5star and am going to buy a 5star shoe for 4b. Also, purchased clean RA pants for 1.4b that I then epic pot scrolled for 6% dex (2lines though ) Now I just need to find the bow which I know will be hard to come by.

[quote=williamme]@Mylust: Tell me how on earth is empress not a better option given the information I have already spewed.[/quote]

Tell him how on earth fafnir is not a better option given the information people have already spewed.

To thread starter: just go full ra + tyrants. Cuz if u ever want to upgrade from empress, u have to psok them which is 4k nx EACH. And once u can get strong enough for top 10 dojo, it will be so much better than empress set since theres no conflict between ra set effect and gloves.

With ra set : 60%boss + top 10 dojo = 85% boss and 15% tot dmg.
Empress : 30%boss + top 10 = 55%boss and 15% tot dmg.

Not to mention the pdr from ra set.
I paid 9.5b for my ra tyrant belt and I was left without cash and owing 6b but in time I found ways to get mesos and now im up over 10b. Just get ra n tyrants

@Mylust: Tell me how on earth is empress not a better option given the information I have already spewed.

Honestly don't go for empress. I can't find anyone that want to buy cubed/scrolled emp set lol.

@williamme: I'm not a lady are you blind? lmfao yet you still advised him for empress...

@williamme So, you're saying that you should buy Empress, just so you could sell it later? GREAT IDEA MY FRIEND. Absolutely ingenious. That's just proving that Empress is outshadowed by Fafnir equips, considering you still have room to upgrade. So, instead of going Empress and then selling it, why not just go straight for the end game fafnir? Also, that point about the Fafnir equips getting cheaper, as supply increases, prices decrease. So, if everyone's going for Fafnir, then the old godlies would sell their perfected Empress equips, right? This would cause an influx in the market, with little to no demand for it. So, Empress would decrease in price (as it already has done) instead of staying status quo. Remember those previous 268 attack, 12 star emp weapons that used to go for 20-30b? They're under 10b now. If you buy them, they will continually decrease in price as they get outdone by newer and better equips. For example, Timeless and Reverse used to be 300m a piece, now they're 10m.

@Mylust: No, I haven't. Empress and Tyrant is still the way to go. If you had read my previous posts properly, you would know that you an save yourself nearly all fo the money you spend on RA with empress by selling it back, while RA will only get cheaper from here on out. Please, lady.....

[quote=williamme][b]I'm Aceee7- I do not give bad advice.[/b] You seem to forget that a full set of empress (ignoring the cape for the tyrant) will still provide 45att, and need I reiterate that IT IS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE and EFFICIENT. A CLEAN piece of RA will run you down 2b+ while a 15% dex piece of Empress will only be around 1.5b tops. So would you rather spend 10b on clean RA or 8b on %DEX empress (~75%dex)... Don't embarrass yourself.[/quote]

Never heard of you before and you seem to be quite the narcissistic person. As for OP, aim to get full tyrant and RA including the bow. In the end, it's end game gear+it'll benefit you a lot more in the end.

@williamme Just stop arguing. you're making a fool of yourself. First, you say that Tyrants are the way to go. Then, you say that you must sacrifice the Tyrant shoe for the Empress 6 set effect. Wow. Contradiction much? The shoe, BY ITSELF is better than the Empress 6 set effect (albeit, you do lose 30%Boss which can be become 60% with the full Fafnir set). Also, that comment about the revamp not coming soon? Expect it to be between now and December. RED is happening before the end of the year (as confirmed by a GM in your server). A "few" months is probably right after unleashed ends, which is Sept. 3.

OT: Tyrant and RA is the way to go.

@williamme: You're unkown so stop saying ign, not my fault that Ra is cheap for me Better gear then that cheap empress i'd rather get 15% on each piece and get 5watt. He has 20b i'm sure he can get ra cheaper then 5b he's in bello.. Here in broa Ra is 2b a piece archer lmfao so don't get me started on bello. You're the one embarssing yourself telling me your ign lol.

P.s You've been proven wrong

Could just buy tyrants now and then keep merching with whatever you have left over.

[quote=IcyBlue220]Again I will repeat that you can improve as you go along but to improve you have to have a base to improve on. Also I said it is better to have Fafnirs as you can continue to improve them. I never said that the clean fafnir stat is stronger than perfected empress but I did say that it is better in the way that it has the potential to become better while if you just get the empress you will be stuck at that level until you eventually sell your equips to get fafnir. Also I object to what you are saying about how the prices will not change. Just look at the market now. The only reason that the perfected empress equips are out there right now are because the pro's are selling them cause they don't want them anymore. If what you were saying about equipments were true why do the 27 att % stat vss's prices dropped from where they used to be. Its cause newer equips made them obsolete. Also if you say that fafnir's will become more common why would anyone want to spend the same amount for a pot'd empress piece when the fafnir pieces are dropping in price too. Also when you say that the prices of accessories didn't change after alien fragment pieces came out it is true but the alien pq to get those equips has been around for a couple months and the prices of the equips are still as high as they were when they came out. So if your logic of that applied with the fafnirs too then they would just stay the same. So through your logic the prices of fafnirs will just continue to drop while people will be willing to pay the same price for that pot'd empress equip. Of course they wouldn't because people would want to get the best equips. It is not a waste because it is something that can be improved upon. What is a waste is to just buy a equip that will limit you in a short time forcing you to switch over anyways which will waste time selling the old equipments and time to look for the new ones which you just could have gotten earlier.[/quote]

You're a hacker. Your definition of "waste" is invalid.

@IcyBlue220: Prices depends on the stats of the equipment, not their availability. Fafnir will drop because they will become more accessible, but clean in stats. This of course, applies to unique equips too. Just because they're unique, does not make them good. So, if you buy RA for 10b, and spend another few bils scrolling (CoG? + slates/5att/7att) would completely render you broke, instead of just "investing" the money on perfected empress which you can sell back for around the same price you bought it for. I highly doubt that a 15%piece of emp will drop below 1 bil anytime soon. People pay for the best equips because they stand out, and because they can afford it. But, as I said earlier, just because you can squander money, doesn't mean you should just blindly do it. I'm insisting that the TA get the biggest bang out of his buck and save money (bills of money). And, he can always just sell it all back and buy a cheap RA set in the future because there is absolutely no rush. Equips will only get cheaper as time goes by; this has been consistent since the beginning. There is no doubt that RA is better than empress, but for 10b! and it's not even a world's part difference is just not a good deal in my opinion. But, all in all, it's up to the TA to decide what he wants.

To TA: Please do keep in mind that WA doesn't get the revamp for a few more months, and the prices of RA are dropping as the months go by.

[quote=williamme]@IcyBlue220: I did not think 7-2=6. I take offence that you would think such a thing. For my case alone, I do not have a shoe because I sacrificed that portion alone for the set effect of 30% boss and the 30att will already make up for the missing Tyrant shoe. I admit that I did leave that info out unintentionally, but I do not agree with you that Fafnir is better than a perfect empress set. A %dex set will not drop so significantly because it is already perfected with cubes, while no matter how low Fafnirs cost, they will still be clean and will not be on par with %dex empress. Ever since percent equips were released, prices have remained stable even till now (eg, earrings, pendents, etc), despite the release of New and better accessories such as the alien fragments, and even Tyrant belts. I remain confident that % empress equips will not drop anymore than they are now unless if more unique scroll events are distributed (mass distribution). On another note, yes, 20bil is not anyone's limit, but they should play smart and not squander away precious resources. If you had 10b at your disposal, would you spend it on a clean set of RA (knowing that prices will drop) or on a perfected empress set? And again, I take offence to the fact that you actually believed that I think 7-2 is 5. That's ridiculous... And you know what, I will still continue to be arrogant.[/quote]

Again I will repeat that you can improve as you go along but to improve you have to have a base to improve on. Also I said it is better to have Fafnirs as you can continue to improve them. I never said that the clean fafnir stat is stronger than perfected empress but I did say that it is better in the way that it has the potential to become better while if you just get the empress you will be stuck at that level until you eventually sell your equips to get fafnir. Also I object to what you are saying about how the prices will not change. Just look at the market now. The only reason that the perfected empress equips are out there right now are because the pro's are selling them cause they don't want them anymore. If what you were saying about equipments were true why do the 27 att % stat vss's prices dropped from where they used to be. Its cause newer equips made them obsolete. Also if you say that fafnir's will become more common why would anyone want to spend the same amount for a pot'd empress piece when the fafnir pieces are dropping in price too. Also when you say that the prices of accessories didn't change after alien fragment pieces came out it is true but the alien pq to get those equips has been around for a couple months and the prices of the equips are still as high as they were when they came out. So if your logic of that applied with the fafnirs too then they would just stay the same. So through your logic the prices of fafnirs will just continue to drop while people will be willing to pay the same price for that pot'd empress equip. Of course they wouldn't because people would want to get the best equips. It is not a waste because it is something that can be improved upon. What is a waste is to just buy a equip that will limit you in a short time forcing you to switch over anyways which will waste time selling the old equipments and time to look for the new ones which you just could have gotten earlier.

@IcyBlue220: I did not think 7-2=6. I take offence that you would think such a thing. For my case alone, I do not have a shoe because I sacrificed that portion alone for the set effect of 30% boss and the 30att will already make up for the missing Tyrant shoe. I admit that I did leave that info out unintentionally, but I do not agree with you that Fafnir is better than a perfect empress set. A %dex set will not drop so significantly because it is already perfected with cubes, while no matter how low Fafnirs cost, they will still be clean and will not be on par with %dex empress. Ever since percent equips were released, prices have remained stable even till now (eg, earrings, pendents, etc), despite the release of New and better accessories such as the alien fragments, and even Tyrant belts. I remain confident that % empress equips will not drop anymore than they are now unless if more unique scroll events are distributed (mass distribution). On another note, yes, 20bil is not anyone's limit, but they should play smart and not squander away precious resources. If you had 10b at your disposal, would you spend it on a clean set of RA (knowing that prices will drop) or on a perfected empress set? And again, I take offence to the fact that you actually believed that I think 7-2 is 5. That's ridiculous... And you know what, I will still continue to be arrogant.

[quote=williamme]@IcyBlue220: First of all, you won't cut off the 30att and 30% boss because you forget there is an empress shoulder piece. And yes, you are correct about the possibility of achieving higher with RA, but you forget that it's overpriced. In the future, we all know RA equips will dramatically lower its value, so buying it clean now for 10b is a complete waste. And don't forget that you still have to invest resources in scrolling that Fafnir weapon when you can easily purchase a perfected empress for 2b, and a perfected emp glove will only charge him around 2b also since it's bowmen (32att). All of this with ~75%dex will undoubtedly beat a clean set of RA which he will be spending over 10b on. And you can always sell it back for the same value in the future, but if he buys RA now, the prices will only drop from here on out. I wasn't kidding when I told him that I know my stuff because I know my stuff- I think ahead and thoroughly. Lastly, yes, I am arrogant, but I own the right to be. I'm a F*king pro.[/quote]

You say it would be better to wear tyrants so that would include the shoes cape and belt. The belt and the empress set do not overlap but the cape and the shoes do. Im not sure if you can do counting and subtraction so I will do it for you there are 7 possible empress equips possible (hat,cape,overall,shoes, shoulder, gloves, and weapon) The tyrant cape and shoes are 2 equips that overlap. 7-2=5 the 6 set effect is +30 atk and +30% boss and I don't know about you but I know 5=/=6. Also if fafnirs get cheaper that means more people will be able to afford which means that people will pay less for already finished empress cause they will be able to and will want to get fafnirs as they are cheaper. Also if you look at it that way a better set will be released in the farther future making the empress even more obsolete and worthless. Also as I stated before 20 Bil is not the limit of all he is going to ever own. He can continue to merch and use events to make his equips better. If he stuck with the empress he would hit the dead end faster. Also just because you are better than a average person does not give you the right to be so arrogant. Arrogance leads to mistakes(like how you thought 7-2=6)

@IcyBlue220: First of all, you won't cut off the 30att and 30% boss because you forget there is an empress shoulder piece. And yes, you are correct about the possibility of achieving higher with RA, but you forget that it's overpriced. In the future, we all know RA equips will dramatically lower its value, so buying it clean now for 10b is a complete waste. And don't forget that you still have to invest resources in scrolling that Fafnir weapon when you can easily purchase a perfected empress for 2b, and a perfected emp glove will only charge him around 2b also since it's bowmen (32att). All of this with ~75%dex will undoubtedly beat a clean set of RA which he will be spending over 10b on. And you can always sell it back for the same value in the future, but if he buys RA now, the prices will only drop from here on out. I wasn't kidding when I told him that I know my stuff because I know my stuff- I think ahead and thoroughly. Lastly, yes, I am arrogant, but I own the right to be. I'm a F*king pro.

[quote=williamme]I'm Aceee7- I do not give bad advice. You seem to forget that a full set of empress (ignoring the cape for the tyrant) will still provide 45att, and need I reiterate that IT IS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE and EFFICIENT. A CLEAN piece of RA will run you down 2b+ while a 15% dex piece of Empress will only be around 1.5b tops. So would you rather spend 10b on clean RA or 8b on %DEX empress (~75%dex)... Don't embarrass yourself.[/quote]

You sound really arrogant. In my opinion its better to go with fafnirs and tyrants because if you are able to get the tyrant shoes and cape (which I am sure you can afford) it will cut out the 30% boss and +30 atk effect from the empress set. Also I really doubt that you will just stop merching after starting maplestory again so im sure that the person can scroll and make his equips better as he goes. If he just buys the already finished empress it will limit him because there is not that much room to improve compared to ra (for example even if you wore all the empress equips that you could with a tyrant belt,shoe, and cape it would only go up the the 5th set effect which only totals to 15 weapon attack and 20 all stat opposed to the 4 set effect of fafnirs that total to +20 all stat +50 atk and +30% boss). Also if he wore empress he wouldn't be able to wear dojo gloves without knocking off another 15 atk from the set effect while dojo gloves have no negative impact on fafnirs. Also fafnirs have top's and bottom's while the empress set only has a overall so it has 2 separate equips you can neb and pot. Buying Emp will restrict you a lot and although may be more efficient in the beginning it will hinder you in time.

[quote=Jrizzey]get your tyrants while their cheap. Belts goes up to 1.5b? capes / shoes 4b ea? what can go wrong?
get your RA IF you can find a cheap one such as pants = 1.5b / top under 3b and hat under 2b
Unfortunately you cannot get free unique pot scrolls anymore although, I've seen a lot of people selling "unique" RA/Tyrants already.
Try and aim for those, as for scrolling your RA, Take advantage of the "10 coins" innocence scroll, go scroll it and if you don't like it? Innocence it.
20b should be enough to buy you your set and unfortunately, you won't be able to purchase your decent accessories. Although, you can always just purchase
cheap 12-15% in the FM for lesser than 1.2b or make yourself a Alien Fragment Set which 3 equips can get you 50 att.[/quote]

Thanks for the info! I've been off since Late February and just came back 2 days ago so I'm not really fond of what's going on as much. I was roaming around FM to get familiar with prices and became shocked to see so many Tyrant/RA Gear priced so cheaply compared to when they were first out.

danielazn - I'm just curious as to what set/equips would give me the most "Bang for my buck". I did a Marvel Run and got a couple 5star Enhancement Scrolls that I can use on them Tyrants after chaosing them.
williamme - Thanks for the feedback. And I totally get you; I wouldn't want to be empty handed whilst having ONLY clean equips.
Mylust - So would you consider Tyrants w/ RA set or Tyrants w/ Empress?

[quote=Mylust]That's simply bad advice.. A 3 set clean Ra gives 50watt bonus not including scrolling them and what not soo there way better and top and bottom >>> overall 30% together if you go for 15% on each item, rather then just 15%. You go to empress if you can't afford RA LIKE YOU SAID but even unscrolled they're way better then empress. Empress set dropped my range by 40k ofc they were clean and so is my ra but that 40k drop... lol[/quote]

I'm Aceee7- I do not give bad advice. You seem to forget that a full set of empress (ignoring the cape for the tyrant) will still provide 45att, and need I reiterate that IT IS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE and EFFICIENT. A CLEAN piece of RA will run you down 2b+ while a 15% dex piece of Empress will only be around 1.5b tops. So would you rather spend 10b on clean RA or 8b on %DEX empress (~75%dex)... Don't embarrass yourself.

[quote=williamme]It's a really bad idea to invest all your funding on getting clean equips if you have no funding left over to scroll them. When I acquired my Tyrants, I was left completely immobile, and only increasing my range by about 10k for the 12b which I spent... What I suggest is that you get clean Tyrants and get a nice %dex set of empress. Empress is just as good as RA for the most part, and will benefit you way more at this point because a 15% dex piece will cost less than a clean piece of RA. In the end, your range will be significantly more. DO NOT GO RA if you cannot afford to have them scrolled![/quote]

That's simply bad advice.. A 3 set clean Ra gives 50watt bonus not including scrolling them and what not soo there way better and top and bottom >>> overall 30% together if you go for 15% on each item, rather then just 15%. You go to empress if you can't afford RA LIKE YOU SAID but even unscrolled they're way better then empress. Empress set dropped my range by 40k ofc they were clean and so is my ra but that 40k drop... lol

It's a really bad idea to invest all your funding on getting clean equips if you have no funding left over to scroll them. When I acquired my Tyrants, I was left completely immobile, and only increasing my range by about 10k for the 12b which I spent... What I suggest is that you get clean Tyrants and get a nice %dex set of empress. Empress is just as good as RA for the most part, and will benefit you way more at this point because a 15% dex piece will cost less than a clean piece of RA. In the end, your range will be significantly more. DO NOT GO RA if you cannot afford to have them scrolled!