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Who cares, Maple Story sucks anyway, opps, my bad, I meant NEXON sucks.

Okay what i'm seeing is a crap load of people complaining that all the NL's are whining about wanting to be top dpm again (just cause they're annoyed NL's were somewhat OP'd for awhile) when if the only READ they would notice the majority just want better animations/ more skills.... NOT DAMAGE

lol i quitted nl cuz it frickin useless spamming nothing much n move on to pirate class XO

I love you

@ViolinFTW: yea but not when you do 3960% per second

[quote=dragon332211]If they don't like the skills NLs have, then quit the nl. Its not that hard...[/quote]

What if they suddenly made your mech that you've worked a long time on, really weak? Like maybe nerfing it so that it went from one of the best 1v1 class, and worst mobbing class, to an avg 1v1 class, and still the worst mobbing class. But not only that they also give The Door move, Siege Mode, and magnetic field to every other class/most classes?
What would you do? Quit your mech and make another character?
Your probably gonna give me some BS response and say that you wouldn't care lol...

I agree this is genius!
Avenger needs more % damage and new looks because it looks stupid and sound stupid.

If they don't like the skills NLs have, then quit the nl. Its not that hard...

That is why I made a dual balde now and it's level 40! Going to be my new main!

Well, because there are WAY more godly NLS than there are any other class that has high DPS so ppl think NL's rule the game.

[quote=canaperrito]The ship has about 80k hp, and when it breaks, it just has a 30 sec cooldown. I don't see the big deal about 30 seconds or not.[/quote]

30 seconds is a LOT of time.....
it lowers your DPM by a lot lol...

OT: Seriously NLs aren't the Dmg hoes anymore. There not that strong either. and it shouldn't be one class op'd today, and another tom.
We should seriously get balanced

and if you dont have a NL please just STHU. If you think NLs still have goldy dmg, probably because you've watched flexys videos, or seen a NL with 18x% luk, then realize it takes a hugh amount of funding to do that.
I want this :

Adv SP: Makes it 75% per atk, gives 20% more Crit, Uses no SRocks.
ESTH Removed
Drain made into a Mob Move, at 250% dmg, at 3 monsters. Sill same drain effect
Triple Throw moved to 3rd job at 200% per star
Quad Throw added to 4th, at 275% per star with 30% PDR
Night{or something to do with NL] Mastery at 4th Job. Increases throwing star range, has a 25% chance to use no star and to recover one, stacks with Shadow Claw, and give + 30W.a, and 75% mastery
Make haste give speed a 160% effect.
Remove avenger from3rd job, and add to 4th Job, at 400% x2, almost same effect, but shorter casting effect, and make it look flashy!

Moves that should be removed : Ninja Ambush, Ninja Storm, Meso Up, Shadow Meso, Shadow Web.

[quote=orangeking11]First, I prep. by tanking Manon, Griffey, and Levi for a full bar so I can use Bubble. Optional, but it's nice. xD

When it comes to Pap, fight it like you do the real - pin it <- and keep your distance to avoid Stuns, Dispell, etc. Kill any bombs summoned and ration the pots. But if you get 1/1'ed and there are no pots, FJ -> and sit down on a MP recovering chair (I use the Rog/Abyss Dragon chair for 60 MP in 10 secs). Use that MP for Drain and attack Pap using Shadow Mesos. This will keep Pap pinned <- just in case you get 1/1'ed again. The more pots you can get from the summons, the less you'll have to use this method. xD

Edit: @pieluvah: Flare is godly for solo'ing Bodyguard A. Unless you want a continuous beatdown every time you get hit by a Stun Punch. xD[/quote]

Ohh, that makes sense. Gotcha, I'll do that if I have to xD

[quote=GeaStarr]NIGHT LORDS ARE THE BEST CLASS EVER!

Who is with me?[/quote]
Me. But only best by a slim margin. We rock because we have that X Factor. Complainers lack that factor which is why they complain. xD

[quote=Satoshi1234]Yeah... forgot to mention that we were still somewhat mediocre before 4th job (the wonderful gift of SE) came out. XD[/quote]

But Hermits did one of the most heroic things for GMS anyways. CBs were blowing up Zaks and charging people 100 mil + to come and loot. Zak Helms became a symbol of the elite that the poor can't afford. But from the tree came Onyx Apples and with the use of Hermits, Zak Helms became much cheaper and many people across the land rejoiced as the dream of being able to save and buy a Zak Helm for them became much closer to real. xD

[quote=Miirag3]They get there unique skills ripped from them, and are left with spamming one/two skills, with a BUNCH of other useless skills such as you explained...
FFS, we need something good![/quote]
Difference between those that have/will quit and those that'll stay and enjoy. Our unique skills aren't SP and FJ. We've always been known the throw Stars and we're the best at it. That's what makes us unique. xD

I think the problems NLs are having are the result of the entire game shifting.

Back in the day, training was completely different than it was today: first jobs were hell, the maps were larger, spawn was less, the monsters were more powerful, and there was more exp per monster. Each class pretty much had some "benefit" but also had an inherent flaw.

Warriors are the earliest to mob but getting the monsters to bunch up was difficult. Mobility was especially difficult.
Bowmans can mob in 2nd job, but they are the most affected by mobility since they had no options up close.
Mages are a mixed bag but they all had a handicap of spell mastery to train early. All of them except the cleric had good 1 on 1 and F/P lacked a mob skill.

Now with thieves you had something special. The thief class as a whole focused solely on 1 on 1 fighting but the NL had the advantage over all the classes.

[i]first job was hell[/i] - Lucky 7 was based on LUK for mastery, not the weapon itself.
[i]the maps were larger[/i] - NL had Flash Jump which was the greatest mobility skill in the game. They also had haste.
[i]Spawn was less[/i] - the class dubbed as the "KS Kings" were named so because of their ability to do large amounts of burst damage in a small amount of time. Coupled with the fact that their damage was immediate (meaning a warrior swinging and a thief throwing a star would register at the same time), this allowed them to effectively eliminate the spawn faster than any class (and ks the others too).
[i]The monsters were more powerful[/i] - they had the DPS none of the other classes could achieve through funding.

As a 1 on 1 class, the Shadowers basically suffered the same fate as the warriors (no mobility) except [b]their class had no mob skill[/b] until 3rd job (and even then, it was extremely weak. It was pretty much Savage Blow 6 times on a mob of 6 monsters... (and Steal was essentially useless). Also as a thief class, their damage was only good, not great.

-

A lot has changed since then: 4th job release, Pirates release, but most importantly BB.

BB changed the original way to train (focus on single enemies) by making the maps smaller (solves mobility), ups the spawn rate (gives practicality to useless mob skills), and forced players to train at monsters at their level (de-emphasizes maximizing the damage on single attack skills to train on stronger monsters).

A lot of the classes benefited [b]greatly[/b] from these changes but only helped the NL in a meager way (imo all it did was make Avenger more useful) since all the problems BB addressed were already taken care of by the NL's skills.

The problems NL are complaining about now were things [b]they never needed until now[/b]. The complaints about not having mob skills only came because the dynamics of the game changed that emphasized kill mobs rather than single targets. NL are still good at what they do... it's just by comparison how much the other classes are doing better.

Some part of me thinks that the developers overlooked this aspect of the NL or it was never a problem in KMS (enough to be addressed).

[i]and fyi (not part of the main point) DBs stole from BOTH NL and Shadowers. Shadowers then proceeded to "even things out" by taking from DBs. If NL want to blame someone, blame DBs.[/i]

[quote=Miirag3]@Applesnacks: It makes me cry knowing that you understand... LOL (sarcasm).
I quit the game due to this, and because to become more powerful you need to spend real life money. I don't mind spending my money, it's just that, NL's suck. They get there unique skills ripped from them, and are left with spamming one/two skills, with a BUNCH of other useless skills such as you explained...
FFS, we need something good![/quote]

What....?

[quote=andyex9]Sairs 1st
NLs 2nd
Mechs 3rd
DBs 4th
BaMs 5th
Drk 6th or 7th
BMs 6th or 7th
There we go, not sure bout last 3[/quote]

I'm pretty sure it was proven a while ago that WHs and Mechs both outdamage corsairs... which in turn outdamage NLs. XD

[quote=orangeking11]And that was by the slimmest margin as well. Plus we were only up there with SE and Apples. Otherwise, it was around the output of DrKs back then. xD[/quote]

Yeah... forgot to mention that we were still somewhat mediocre before 4th job (the wonderful gift of SE) came out. XD

@Applesnacks: It makes me cry knowing that you understand... LOL (sarcasm).
I quit the game due to this, and because to become more powerful you need to spend real life money. I don't mind spending my money, it's just that, NL's suck. They get there unique skills ripped from them, and are left with spamming one/two skills, with a BUNCH of other useless skills such as you explained...
FFS, we need something good!

Preech Bro

@iRickyy: Then you havent realized what you are getting into.

[quote=sorginoth]I wanna know how you use shadow meso. I've never heard of anyone using shadow meso.
Information, please, Sir Orange? [/quote]

First, I prep. by tanking Manon, Griffey, and Levi for a full bar so I can use Bubble. Optional, but it's nice. xD

When it comes to Pap, fight it like you do the real - pin it <- and keep your distance to avoid Stuns, Dispell, etc. Kill any bombs summoned and ration the pots. But if you get 1/1'ed and there are no pots, FJ -> and sit down on a MP recovering chair (I use the Rog/Abyss Dragon chair for 60 MP in 10 secs). Use that MP for Drain and attack Pap using Shadow Mesos. This will keep Pap pinned <- just in case you get 1/1'ed again. The more pots you can get from the summons, the less you'll have to use this method. xD

Edit: @pieluvah: Flare is godly for solo'ing Bodyguard A. Unless you want a continuous beatdown every time you get hit by a Stun Punch. xD

There triple throw is one of the fastest skill in maple.Nl dont really need any change.

[quote=orangeking11]The thing is the skills are very player-dependent. My Pap solos in Dojo would be even slower w/o Shadow Mesos, maybe even impossible, if I don't use it. I enjoy not spamming 1's when a boss does W. Atk Immunity - Ninja Ambush. And I <3 Storm. I like going to ToT to grind solo because of it and it was my motivation to level for a long stretch because I wanted to max it. Yes, lvl 160 with maxed Storm and lovin' it. xD[/quote]

I wanna know how you use shadow meso. I've never heard of anyone using shadow meso.
Information, please, Sir Orange?

[quote=IsHeDexless]You forgot this
[b]*FlameShield*[/b][/quote]
he also forgot this, [B]*flame sword*[/B]

OT: they should get a buff patch. even archers toping them also. i'm a low funded sair and i can out damage and dexless sin

[quote=andyex9]Sairs 1st
NLs 2nd
Mechs 3rd
DBs 4th
BaMs 5th
Drk 6th or 7th
BMs 6th or 7th
There we go, not sure bout last 3[/quote]

That is quite possibly the most incorrect DPM chart I've ever seen. The one posted earlier is about right.

[quote=achyif]shadow web is useful
the other three arent....[/quote]
The thing is the skills are very player-dependent. My Pap solos in Dojo would be even slower w/o Shadow Mesos, maybe even impossible, if I don't use it. I enjoy not spamming 1's when a boss does W. Atk Immunity - Ninja Ambush. And I <3 Storm. I like going to ToT to grind solo because of it and it was my motivation to level for a long stretch because I wanted to max it. Yes, lvl 160 with maxed Storm and lovin' it. xD

[quote=andyex9]Sairs 1st
NLs 2nd
Mechs 3rd
DBs 4th
BaMs 5th
Drk 6th or 7th
BMs 6th or 7th
There we go, not sure bout last 3[/quote]

Its not even remotely possible that a NL is stronger than a Mech. Nls are deffinetly around the 7-10.

I don't understand how basil can't understand that we aren't looking for better dpm, just better, more interesting, skills.

@orangeking11: If you say so. :o

[quote=orangeking11]I agree, but it's inevitable. Too many complainers will eventually turn Nexon's head. xD[/quote]

Well people do get tired of things when done for prolonged periods. Change was inevitable to begin with.

shadow web is useful
the other three arent....

[quote=LitheMovement]Nightlords don't need a revamp.[/quote]

I agree, but it's inevitable. Too many complainers will eventually turn Nexon's head. xD

Nightlords don't need a revamp.

[quote=andyex9]Sairs 1st
NLs 2nd
Mechs 3rd
DBs 4th
BaMs 5th
Drk 6th or 7th
BMs 6th or 7th
There we go, not sure bout last 3[/quote]
Never seen a chart with NLs on 2nd. Please show some calcs. xD

[quote=ninjasmasher]Pretty sure NLs are right below WHs o.o[/quote]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong when it comes to average funds. Skeptical when it comes to higher funds as well. xD

[quote=Satoshi1234]...
-Corsairs
-Mechanics
-Dual Blades
-Wild Hunters
-Marksmen (?)
-Dark Knights (?)
-Bowmasters (?)

And probably quite a few others.
... So, no.
(And three years ago, Pirates weren't out. That's pretty much the only time we were on the very top.)[/quote]

Pretty sure NLs are right below WHs o.o

I getting bored with my NL i hoping for good update that will motivate me to play my NL again.

[quote=Satoshi1234]
(And three years ago, Pirates weren't out. That's pretty much the only time we were on the very top.)[/quote]

And that was by the slimmest margin as well. Plus we were only up there with SE and Apples. Otherwise, it was around the output of DrKs back then. xD

[quote=andyex9]LOL you guys are like the 2nd best DPS class atm o-o and idk bout 3 years ago since i wasnt playing..[/quote]

...
-Corsairs
-Mechanics
-Dual Blades
-Wild Hunters
-Marksmen (?)
-Dark Knights (?)
-Bowmasters (?)

And probably quite a few others.
... So, no.
(And three years ago, Pirates weren't out. That's pretty much the only time we were on the very top.)

I feel sorry for the people who think that we're top in DPS... Their information is about 3 years outdated...

@ViolinFTW: What does this have to do with shads? And also, monster defense wouldnt do much do that much power
@gears: i wasn't sure of the number, but close enough, also how am i biasing?

@GearsOfHalo: they lost half of them i think only with cork. It just requires more effort to be invic 24/7 is all.

Crap, misread -.- sorry xD

@BliksemSagitta: Big bang has an element after BBP. Swiss cheeses only last 2 minutes and that f/p has a crazy amount of potential equips. If you gave those buffs to another class like a pally with fire charge, they would easily out damage an A/m.

i agree, we have tons of useless skills
skill changes along with new animations would be nice

[quote=tissuecrazyy]Night lords need to be unique.[/quote]

We are. Suckers don't appreciate what we got or just aren't able to use all we got to offer. xD

[quote=BliksemSagitta]I remember there is person (in GMS) hitting around 800k per hit with big bang, 800k X 5 = 4m?
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/200528/0/Big_bangs_true_power.html]FOUND IT! [/url]
Perhaps hitting to damage cap is much easier than most AMs thought? They have elemental weapons and swiss cheese after all.[/quote]

He's on LHC mobs which are fire weak, using big bang which has a charge up time at the end of infinity with a swiss cheese,MW 31 and SE 22....If his dmg wasn't high I'd be surprised. You can buff any class like that and they'll be doing crazy dmg without % equips >.>

[quote=GearsOfHalo]Heck you should see me I have a 6k range at 140, I just made the job to shoot that cannon. I <3 cannon. =][/quote]

I'm a Star-addict. I play Star-thrower jobs/chars in other games (waiting for Kunoichi in DFO!) and I make tons of paper Throwing-Stars IRL when I'm bored in class. xD

Dual Throwers / Dual Claws

I can't wait.