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[quote=KostyaHeals]@evilslasher: lols if u dont like ur place then quit ur nub nl[/quote]

This is the type of people I aimed to address the entire time.

Case point: Revamp, not rebuff. Make skills practical, keep damage the same or lower it a bit if it makes you happy. Just give them skills they can use....

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@evilslasher: lols if u dont like ur place then quit ur nub nl

[quote=aaaaa]Play a Bucc, then come back and say who really needs a revamp.[/quote]

A lot of Buccs say they don't need one. NLs/Buccs are fine as is. Updates to a few aspects and a bit of streamlining in how skills are would be nice, but it's not like either class is unable to do well when it comes to bossing/training/etc. xD

I mean, the only complaint I ever see from Buccs is "needs more DPMs" lol. xD

OK, you've got some useless skills. The skills you DO have (Including a 55% BASE crit rate) More than make up for that fact.

All of these sins I see QQing lately at how unfair the game is to them were nowhere to be found when Sins were hands down the most OP class in the game. Around that same time, dits were the hands down most underpowered class in the game. Since that time, the only thing that's really changed is other classes have gotten boosted, and dits have been given a few hand me down sin moves.. You guys are still one of the highest DPM classes in the game, what in the wild world of sports is your problem?

And to all of the sins i see in this thread QQing more when they compare themselves to DB's... How do you think we shadowers felt pre BB compared to them >.>.

Short version: Sins are fine, quit whining.

[quote=KostyaHeals]I love how so many nls complain even though theyre in top dpm lawl they're just a bunch of winny nubs[/quote]

"theyre in the top dpm" Is today opposite day? If it is, you're incredibly smart.

I have a NL but I don't think they need revamp. I just think they need some kind of mobbing skill for 2nd job.

[quote=fonzie909]Buccs need a revamp more than anyone, yet you dont see all them make all these threads NL's make about this topic ....[/quote]

There are a lot more NLs than there are Buccs. xD

Edit: @Applesnacks: Be patient with the haters. I'm sure they're gonna have a good time when the Thief booster comes around. Watch as people starts spamming "Thieves so OP, Nexon doing it wrong" threads. xD

@YassiBaby: I'm 168 and still need a lot more points to max what I want. Learn to appreciate what we got. TT>ETSH>Storm (for me personally. I love this skill!)>Shifter>7 MW>Shadow Claw 20 [Got 30 to work, but don't need it yet]>1 Ambush>Hero's Will (CZak/HT)>and I'm now workin' on Taunt. I don't expect to work on MW 'til 19x. xD

Buccs need a revamp more than anyone, yet you dont see all them make all these threads NL's make about this topic ....

I want a hidden blade skill to push them off...rofl I play too much assassins creed....

I love how so many nls complain even though theyre in top dpm lawl they're just a bunch of winny nubs

Why's this even still open.
Nightlords will get changes in the Thief Jump update, regardless of whether people want them or not.

[quote=hairioshi]Im sure nls may need a revamp due to boring skills.
but after being the pretty much top class of ms since it started, while other classes, Mages to be exact
still fail to compare even after countless updates. NLs are definitely last in terms of needing a revamp.
I feel as if nls asking for a revamp is almost wanting to much.
Bowman and mages have been the classes thrown under the bus for some time.
Waiting years to be a higher dps class. Vs nls are not even at the bottom yet, and want to be better...
All in all, they may need a revamp, but now is definitely not the time.[/quote]

I don't record myself being OP pre BB. NL were never at the top of the DPM chart. I kinda hate all these misconception. NL were only consider strong if we had a bowmaster or marksman who provided us with Sharp Eyes.

-_-

@BurnedFrozen: i dont think mechs do... they used to be so full of themselves.

The only thing we can do is just wait until all the other classes get their stupid revamp.
Honestly,Nexon isnt revamping NL's any soon because they were the strongest class long time ago.
Instead of nerfing us,they should've left us the same way,chaos officially killed us.
And even if you have like 100% luk and you hit more,the skills are just useless.
What do you max after TT,Shifter,Shadow stars & MW (19)?ETHS?What afterrrrrrrrrrrr?
And if ppl start quitting thier NL's and sell all their % luk items,they will still be expensive,cause of shad's & DB.
Patience is what we need ;(

@TribalEMP: ALL pirates. Mechs, Buccs, TBs, Sairs

Yes, true.
I have a NL (quit already).
Hehe.

@BurnedFrozen: buccs or sairs?

[quote=orangeking11]The 25% multiplicative boost to Avenger alone is asking a lot for a skill that requires 10 to max. For a player w/o a Crit. Ring or any Crit. boosts besides base and passive Crit., ETSH w/ SC off yields +9% chance of Criticals. And it not working with SC means ya gotta use yer head a tiny bit. Not everything has to be Super Easy Mode. xD

Edit: And to me, the complainers deserve nothing. Impatient with patches, unable to adapt and use what we got, etc. They should have their NLs unboosted when a patch comes just so I can laugh. xD[/quote]

Its not the fact that i'm "impatient", its just that people have the audacity to say that they are the most overpowered class when they are clearly not.

^ Naruto fanboy

[quote=Applesnacks]Not as useful as it should be. The only noticeable boost is the 25% into avenger but that's it. The extra crit is hardly noticable, bonus L7 is useless and the recharge effect doesnt work with shadow claw.[/quote]

The 25% multiplicative boost to Avenger alone is asking a lot for a skill that requires 10 to max. For a player w/o a Crit. Ring or any Crit. boosts besides base and passive Crit., ETSH w/ SC off yields +9% chance of Criticals. And it not working with SC means ya gotta use yer head a tiny bit. Not everything has to be Super Easy Mode. xD

Edit: And to me, the complainers deserve nothing. Impatient with patches, unable to adapt and use what we got, etc. They should have their NLs unboosted when a patch comes just so I can laugh. xD

[quote=Doseeeee]We aren't top of the DPM chart anymore, we need a revamp.

edit: Before people freak out, I understand you need a revamp, but half of the posts are about the damage, not that you're lacking skills and honestly, your class is based around throwing stars, there's really not that much you can do with that.[/quote]

your class is based around throwing blades around like a dumby. so why did you need our shadow partner or flash jump? why do you need a skill that makes you unable to be hit for a whole minute? use your logic. PLEASE.

as for nightlords. I don't use my shadow meso, shadow web, meso up, ambush, etsh,drain,the other NL mob skill.
that is 7 of my skills. one being 2nd job, 3 being 3rd job, and 3 being 4th job. that leaves us with VERY little. and unlike all of the other classes. our skillbooks are outrageously expensive. just our tt20 costs about as much as any other jobs most expensive skillbook[ofc MW30 is NOT included].

give us more ways to attack, we don't just throw stars. we are traditional ninjas. give US smoke screen, remove it from a shadower[since when do fragile wannabe-samurais need smoke screens?] remove shadow partner from both dual bladers[mirror image] and shadowers[shadow partner]. they can keep fj. every class has that now.. add meso explosion to nightlords as a 3rd job skill. give us a variation of a night walkers poison bomb. increase our max speed cap[considering how my NL has max speed WITHOUT haste. thats a problem] theres a handful of things that nexon can do to upgrade NLs

[quote=PeaceandSmile]NLs are meant to be for bossing, which means one of the top DPM. Great mobbing classes would be lower but has great mobbing. It's kind of common sense.

I mean like, mobbing classes having higher DPM than bossing classes? What is that.

And just because we get [b]useful[/b] skills doesn't mean we get strong-ash skills that own everyone and leave them behind in the dust.[/quote]

If NL was intended to be a boss job, why did Triple Throw damage formula get nerf in chaos?

I'm good without one.

[quote=TribalEMP]i'm not even a NL, and i agree with this. everybody else gets like 1000 attack skills, what about NLs? -shakes nexon- WHAT! ABOUT! THE! NIGHTLORDS?[/quote]

Don't forget the lonely abandoned pirates D:

It has all gone downhill.. Back before Pirates, Night Lords were feared second to Bishops with their Genesis. We were in the high part of the DPM chart and the other classes didn't have 2-4 revamped/new attack skills like they do now. Then came pirates. Buccs fit in just fine. They were respected and did moderate-good damage back then. But corsairs took on a place in the DPM chart. That cannon blasting away... Soon after Big Bang and all the other New classes started flowing in. Big Bang touched up on some NL issues, (such as the annoying close range poking monsters) but the majority of other classes seemed to have leaped farther than us. Then the Newer jobs came out. Now the NL's were falling fast with the mechs and wildhunters... even the simple battlemages. Damage now belonged to the funded NL's. The ones who could keep up with the "rat race". When Chaos came.. The three classes that got buffed were changed vastly. Evans got more speed and new skills, Aran got less mobbing, but more skills and higher damage, and Dual Blade... well, just got Dual Bladed. With their new 4th job attack skills that made Sudden Raid look tame during training, and altered damage. Present day, I'd say that NL's are [1-2-3-[4]-5-6-7-8-9-10] on the overall class chart. Nexon made some classes too easy and others too difficult. NL's aren't the lowest class out there, but we have a reason to "QQ" if you will. We have about 3-4 abandoned skills that could be switched for more Usefull things. And we are limited to 2-3 Main attacking skills. Lucky Seven, Avenger, and Triple Throw! Nexon could also revamp the animation of some of our attack skills. Drain and Lucky seven is fine, But triple throw remains the same as it did EVEN BEFORE Pirates! Does it really take that long to put in some thought to triple throw and maybe take a day or 2 to come up with a new animation? And NL's and some other classes need/best have an Ultimate... It doesn't even have to be huge. Couldn't NL's at least get a "Star Rain" that takes up the same space as arrow rain? I know that this "rant" may have some misplaced information, but It's from a POV from an NL who's had to struggle to survive..

They do, we get it, please, just stop making these threads. We all know that buccs and NLs need a revamp. It's been confirmed by Nexon that there will be a patch for both parties, please, just wait it out and stop making these threads.

they do need a revamp, but what else are they supposed to get? some kind of explosive star skill? s

you know who needs a revamp? corsairs!
LOL jk, but I agree, NL's DO need a revamp asap.

I don't really care about the damage. All I want is to around the top mobility-wise...

[quote=wingchun]then why must there be discussions on whether on not to have or to have?

When i said customer service , its meaning that they'll listen to the customers , and actually do some of the things we want , since they have bad customer service , we do not get to decide what we want but to wait for what they'll give us.[/quote]

What you mean by not to have or to have? If you mean the people on basil doing that then they might have no clue what so ever that there is a thief/pirate revamp.It just will take a bit for it to happen but if people can't suck it up till then,just play another character or even quit for a while.

And the customer service part,that really shouldn't have anything to do with revamps and stuff since Nexon America is just following what Nexon Korea does.Also if they did listen to people a lot we get a bunch of some un needed changes since people want their class to be OP but what will that leave other classes? They'd want their class to be OP too so blah blah blah this keeps going on in a chain and bam this game will be even more broken.

@ninjaxglare: I know but the way people were phrasing it, it sounded like they had all the good skills they needed, and just didnt want the extra crappy skills, i'd rather have 5 good skills and 10 crappy skills than 5good skills and 5 crappy skills, that is what i was asking, but the answer to the question i asked was "no", the people that commented and the person who wrote the thread just didnt explain it enough, they never said they wanted more good skills, just less crappy skills o......0 that is why i asked

This is hilarious. You guys are complaining while all the buccs arent. BE FRICKING PATIENT. And anyways, for you guys to go up like 1049240921 spots on the dpm chart is whether us bowmasters SE you or not. If we SE you, most of you (NOT ALL OF YOU) stay jerks. If we dont SE you, you guys report us >.< and then defame us, then leave whatever we're doing. And you guys are so annoying with these 10 million threads. ONE THRED IS ENOUGH. And you guys are complaining that you got your skills stolen?

1. WH's. WH's AND MERCEDES HAVE HURRICANE. Hurricane for us was like your TT. Wild hunters are using crossbows, making it stronger. Mercedes have TWO BOWS, making it faster, and like 987123907124098127 stronger for funded people.
2. We are gonna get double jump, but thats NOWHERE CLOSE to flash jump. its like 1/2 the jump when both are maxed.
3. Us bowmasters are getting revamped like 6 months before you guys because all nexon heard from you was complaining. COMPLAINING, COMPLAINING, AND MORE COMPLAINING. We were being patient, just waiting for it. we knew it would come, you guys know your revamp is coming, just, once again, BE FRICKING PATIENT.

[quote=Hacame]so how come when they were op no one wanted them to be nerfed?... </3[/quote]

More than half the community is a NL or has a NL, making it seem like they REALLY need a revamp. Have fun asking for it and never getting it until next year.

[quote=hicorn]Wait....so you're complaining about NLs having TOO MANY skills? I'd rather have extra skills that are useless than no extra skills at all o.....0[/quote]

Well, if we don't even use them, why have them at all.. we want Good Skills not 10 extra useless crap skills and only 3 okay skills

so how come when they were op no one wanted them to be nerfed?... </3

Okay we only have 4 skills booster haste sp and triple throw...
Bucks got transformation barrage correshock shrew and got booster dash and much more...

[quote=wingchun]Whether basilmarket agree or disagree with the "theif revamp", What can we really do? It's not like nexon will come its way to basil and look at what we want... Nexon has bad customer service ... It wont change anything no matter how much everyone has a hankering for some things that you hope nexon will change.[/quote]

What are you talking about since idk what this has to do with customer service since KMS comfirmed of a Pirate/Thief revamped o-o

[quote=mustafanoor1]every job has 1 or 2 useless skills[/quote]

Yeah, but we have 4. LOL

Agreed 100%. People are saying we're whining, but seriously, they have no idea what they're talking about. OP? [b]Ha.[/b]

NL are strong, you're just spoiled seeing the overly funded players hitting higher than you.

darn it stop with these threads, they're getting a revamp if you don't like it get over it. if you do then, that's great

I think they should change some of those skills into something like what mages have, where they are buffs, where they only take a second or two to use and it affects you for 2 minutes, not having to use it everytime you want the effect. Like maybe shadow meso acts like a stackable attack buff depending on how many mesos you use.

[quote=chaosmoonxia]No, we're underpowered in the Legend patch, we barely beat Bishops in DPM, but I do agree that both Buccs, and NLs need a revamp.[/quote]

None of them needs a revamp. Choose a different class if you dont like it.

@lycanthropod Hey man! i used to follow u but u never put up vids anymore ;p Gratz on 200

the class just needs to get freshened up like the classes in jump (those skills that gave +30 mianstat and sec-stat) and other passive buffs that archers, mages and warriors received. i think thatl'l be enough as I'm currently fine with my nl as it is

You arent overpowered, but you arent underpowered. You are average.
Your class is evolving around throwing stars.

Find a new job or be quiet.

nl need a giant avenger alot more powerful

[quote=bubblecup118]Your reading it wrong. Out of the skills they have too many of them are useless. Only a few are useful.[/quote]

Thank you for explaining that, I didn't read it wrong, you just explained it in a way someone that doesn't have a NL could understand o.....0

I like playing my half funded nub nl.
Yes,it needs a revamp,yes our skills are nasty and they suck.
Am i going to quit it because of that?
No,i wont do what nexon could be trying to make us do by nerfing us whenever they have a chance.
Sooner or later they MUST revamp us anyways,guess we gonna have to wait a longggggggggg time u_u

Do people really play this game to ogle at the DPM of their avatars? I'm surprised cause I was under the impression that people liked NL's for their mobility and range......being hacked pre-BB I [b][/b] overpowered but as long as the training is fast, I can't really complain.