Kannas ond the damage chart

Since all the actual dmg charts are a copypaste of the kms ones, which place kannas would hold in them?

also .. another question, wich range to solo magnus normal? cuz im sittong on 300k range 100%~ 68%def red, and its really hard, havent managed to kill him -_-

March 12, 2015

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StolenProperty

@Elufu: Yeah, I remember playing pre-Unleashed, people were adamant that Mercedes had the highest DPS since they had the highest hits/s, but then all of a sudden people were using %/s charts and I came back wondering what had happened. I assumed the same thing, but I was left confused as to why people were still using %/s charts, especially since capping 50m lines isn't as hard as before.

I think the people who look at (and put stock in) DPS/DPM charts are those who cap (or plan on capping in the future), because they want to select the top classes, confident that they'll have the DPS to be able to take down certain bosses. With that being said, maybe we could create an updated hits/s chart of all the classes, since it should be possible to cap with most, if not all of the viable skills used for bossing.

You also mentioned scaling damage in terms of funding -- for the average player, this is a far more useful metric as opposed to %/s or hits/s. Though, I can see how calculating this would be a pain, given that prices of equipment depends on a variety of factors. But since the new level 140 set was released, and Spell Traces are becoming more and more viable, do you think that creating a "baseline-chart" or something along those lines be feasible? You would assume that everyone uses the 140 set (which is basically free), perfectly scrolled their equipment with Spell Traces (which isn't THAT difficult), and then fully enhanced everything with Star Force (hey, stranger things have happened), but I think this would be the most "fair" way to determine a class' range given x amount of funding.

Regarding your point on people undervaluing the class, I predict that we'll start seeing a lot more Kanna players, especially since I've noticed that @xXMCheifXx is now streaming his Tower of Oz runs as a Kanna. And plus, Fafnir Fans are way more accessible now that Chaos Vellum drops the weapons for the Sengoku classes, so the prices will only deflate in time (RIP back when paying 3b for a Faf Fan was normal).

Reply March 13, 2015

Elufu

@StolenProperty: Just to provide a background on the history of Maple's damage ranking charts, prior to the Unleashed patch(when the damage cap was raised from 999,999 to 50,000,000) the max damage/s (or hits/s) was the most common way to rank the classes in maple in terms of damage output.

Hitting 1m lines was becoming relatively easy and it was common sense to rank classes as you have suggested. However when the Unleashed patch hit, all that changed. There was no gear or method at the time to achieve 50m lines and what became more important for maplers is the %/s of the class.

At this time JoeTang was very active in terms of calculating the %damage/s output of each class and these were regularly updated but over time even this 50m per line threshold has become achievable. (and this is also around the time where he had stopped updating his %/s calculation tables.)

Nowadays it's probably more relevant to use a hits/s chart than a %/s chart as you have suggested but %/s calculations/breakdowns are still useful in terms of working out damage efficiency (for classes that use various skill combinations) and unfunded players who ... probably will not see the day of hitting 50m lines.

Now in terms of Kanna calculations, in simple terms they scale heavily almost exponentially(not literally) on funding. They are VERY funding efficient classes once they break a certain point and with 2 binds I honestly feel people under value this class way too much except for the fact that they are very glitch/bug prone.

@loxiona: (also a little history on your findings) In the past, JT provided a explanation why he doesn't incorporate weapon multipliers (and this is what I follow with my calculations as well). The original intent of weapon multipliers was to balance out the attack differential of weapons but unfortunately this isn't all relevant anymore with all these new types of weapons, ease to acquire attack etc etc. But as you have suggested %/s is best interpreted with the assumption that every class has the same range (which isn't) and that's why some (to my knowledge just JT and maybe a handful that follows his steps) don't include weapon multipliers.
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Reply March 13, 2015 - edited

loxiona

@StolenProperty: yea. Ranking dps charts basically Interpret it in the sense that range is pretty much the same across all jobs. Note that to reach this point, they include buffs that affect range in these %'s as well, which is why i say "range". The problem with kannas buff is that it doesnt give a set amount of %m.att for all kannas like a normal buff. It varies significantly, so saying a kanna's %'s is x is not really correct in the context of comparing %'s from other classes.

edit: to add, in the context of a kanna trying to calculate their range, I agree that there is no problem with multiplying range by a low %'s. However, I don't believe it is fair to use this %'s to rank them against other jobs.