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What FM are they best to sell in?

[quote=timetigerone]P/c Intermediate Dex Crystal Your Server or Broa[/quote]

not sure about broa but they sell 4m ish per in windia.

P/c Intermediate Dex Crystal Your Server or Broa

Something is telling me this is a plan to get people to buy ores from you in mts...

why u trollin?

[quote=crazypoorer]apparently she is dumb
100 diamonds at least = 10 basic diamonds=1intermediate
fail much?[/quote]

6 advanced diamonds from 20 diamonds

*NOTE: there is a chance to make Inter/Adv <Crystal/Jewel> when u make a basic

OT: I've tried this before and i made up to 1b ^^

[quote=XueyeHua]Alt + f4 = gives you NX, Mesos, and EXP don't tell anyone though because if it gets out they will fix it.[/quote]

lol one of my macros is ALT+F4=1bil
and then i see all of these noobs dissapearing

I've done it too.. but failed. Thought it was a good plan but it took 40 refined dex (60m) to make 1 advanced lol.. talk about bad luck. Never tried again afterwards.

[quote=crazypoorer]are you sure you arent exaggerating that advanced diamonds are 25mil in your server
they're like 10mil in bellocan and intermediate diamonds are 500k o_o[/quote]

Wanna come visit windia and see for yourself?
You'd be lucky if you even find one lol.
At least the last time I checked I didnt find a single one for sale.
Maybe the reason why the diamonds are cheaper in bello is that there's
less pot farmers/high PoT prices?/No reverse item mass maker person/Abundant supply of advance diamonds/
etc etc.
Its basic econ.

are you sure you arent exaggerating that advanced diamonds are 25mil in your server
they're like 10mil in bellocan and intermediate diamonds are 500k o_o

[quote=clerichealer]i think the reason why it benefits her so much is because she is a thief which means she probably has a nice amount of hands which if im not mistaken, gives you a better chance to go from basic~>advanced which will give her a better profit than a warrior/bucc who tries this.[/quote]

But Ive also used my paladin/hero to craft crystals before db's came out. both were dexless. but then again I didn't craft as much, not enough to justify wether or not having more hands = getting better results.

Yep, and the 11mil fee used to create can be easily made back from selling 3~4 intermediate crystals/jewels.

[quote=MSfran]So what you're saying is, you make 10 basic crystals/jewels, and there's a chance to make adv. or inter. crystals?
Or make one inter. and rinse&repeat?[/quote]

In a theoretical situation:
I have 100 diamonds that I want to refine with the maker skill.
I continuously use the refining skill ONLY on the raw diamonds.
the theoretical outcome is as follows:
60 basic diamonds
30 intermediate diamonds
10 advance diamonds
(assuming that per chance, 60% rate of getting basic, 30% rate of getting intermediate, 10% of getting advance per diamond used)

If the byproduct is more profitable than how much you will need to expend,
I would refine the basic diamonds in hopes for an intermediate or advance diamond.

Let's say the prices are as follows:
diamond = 1m
basic diamond = 800k
intermediate diamond = 5m
advance diamond = 25m

assuming that out of 100 diamonds, 10 of them turned out advance, which cost me 100m to purchase(convert to nx if mts), I already made
250m(minus tax) Just by selling the advance diamonds, 400m total(minus tax) If I decided to sell all my advanced and intermediate diamonds,
448m(minus tax) If all of my jewels sell(advance, intermediate, basic).
even though the situation above is highly unlikely to happen, also note that anything below advance is hard to sell,
you're still looking at a very big margin for profit if you sell most of your jewels.

Note:
1.the situation given is only theoretical. getting 10 advance diamonds from a stack of 100 diamonds in real maple requires quite a bit of luck.
2.I base the percentage of getting what rate of jewel/crystal on this;
raw = 60% basic, 30% intermediate, 10% advance
basic = 50% intermediate, 30% fail, 20% advance
intermediate= 50% fail, 50% advance
3.I totally flew off topic but I prefer refining clumps of 100's

this guy might be able to provide more accurate info about the percentages of getting which rate of crystal/jewel.
[quote=Alalme]1 Gem > 1 Basic 85%
1 Gem > 1 Intermediate 10%
1 Gem > 1 Advanced 5%
10 Basic > 1 Intermediate 85%
10 Basic > 9 Basic 10%
10 Basic > 1 Advanced 5%
10 Intermediate > 1 Advanced 90%
10 Intermediate > 9 Intermediate 10%

Dex, Power, Wisdom, and Luk, Dark, and Black Crystals have a different set of percentages. Somewhere along the lines of:
1 Gem > 1 Basic 90%
1 Gem > 1 Intermediate 9%
1 Gem > 1 Advanced 1%
10 Basic > 1 Intermediate 89%
10 Basic > 9 Basic 10%
10 Basic > 1 Advanced 1%
10 Intermediate > 1 Advanced 25%
10 Intermediate > 9 Intermediate 75%

These percentages ARE affected by your maker skill level. The percentages I have listed are for level 3. The intermediate > advanced percentages seem to be reversed if you do not have level 3 maker skill. (I failed 8 advanced Dex crystals in a row, with maker level 2)
There is also speculation that the percentages are affected by your hands stat. While this is unconfirmed, I believe it is true.
Finally, refining and upgrading gems costs you a bundle:
110,000 to refine a gem into basic
330,000 to refine basic into intermediate
550,000 to refine intermediate into advanced.
If you can get advanced gems, it is SO WORTH IT. You can get some AMAZING stats on your items, without blowing money on scrolls.[/quote]

EDIT: I think he's basing it off his own experience so he might not be 100% accurate about the varying levels of maker skill that can affect the outcome of your gems.

@archopath: thanks!

[quote=pokefreak319]@archopath: Would you happen to know anything about prices in Galicia?[/quote]

No, sorry.
I've never been outside of windia long enough to be familiarized with other worlds' FM prices.
It should be still the same merching concept though.
If you make more than how much you spend on it, you're doing it right. No matter how more/less profit you get compared to other people.

EDIT:[quote=AllieEcstasy]Will Magnets increase the power of my maker skill?[/quote]
ROFL I just noticed that you were trolling! Well played sir! needs more Schloopy loopy.

@archopath: Would you happen to know anything about prices in Galicia?

[quote=pokefreak319]But the real question is...What level maker is required to make a decent profit off these?[/quote]

To be honest, I don't really know if different levels of maker affect the outcome of the crystals/jewels.
As far as I can remember, increasing maker's level only grants you with more options on what to make.
the description/quest dialogue never mentioned anything about having a higher success rate for higher Maker levels,
nor have I been told/informed/heard about it.

I've always used a 120+ character with level 3 Maker skill to make my crystals/equips.
Sorry if I can't provide additional facts about the maker skill

But the real question is...What level maker is required to make a decent profit off these?

[quote=VTRaven]@archopath: seriously, silverbolten makes this method so much more frustrating lol[/quote]

Rofl just try to stay ahead of him spot-wise.
Even if your crystals are 5m higher than his its still gonna sell.
But if you intend to keep your spot for a while you're gonna have to
lower prices eventually since people who pass by and see his prices would buy from
him the next time they need the crystals.

[quote=JulienL]@archopath: What a huge post. xD
I guess I'll give basic -> int a try but I only have 655k ATM and the process costs 330k, LOL.
I've been in FM4 for a long time, which sounds like a great spot to me but maybe people don't really go there for their crystals?
My prices were just a bit below Silverbolten's prices, *checks*, ugh.. I'll have to lower prices again. XD[/quote]

I've never really liked the bottom 6 FM's.
The bottom 6 are infamously known to be the "overpriced FM's"
so people tend to visit those last. Its been passed down ever since maple started
so even the new players tend to stay away from it.
On the contrary, though, FM1 sometimes have decently priced scrolls.
the only thing that I've seen that sells for overprice there are the WG's.

FM7 in my honest opinion is the best FM spot there is. And to me, its the new "FM1"
since I've seen more overpriced stuff in there sell faster than anywhere else.
Maybe this would be ideal to keep in mind

[quote=JulienL]I think it'll take 2 or 3 months, which is a lot, so people will still be getting (advanced) crystals but demand will probably die down.
Although, maybe you can strengthen crystals too with profession system? In that case it wouldn't change a thing.
I really need to brush up on my knowledge of future content. ~_~[/quote]

I'm quite unsure on this one, since no one replied to my question on YT
but when I saw the YW about Blacksmithing, I can't see any slot for Advance/Inter/Basic Crystal nor anything like that
Creating plates is easier too
I would say either make the crystal and sell them now,
or craft high leveled item with adv crystal

I would stack my ores for later updates tho

@archopath: seriously, silverbolten makes this method so much more frustrating lol

[quote=crazypoorer]apparently she is dumb
100 diamonds at least = 10 basic diamonds=1intermediate
fail much?[/quote]
God you are wrong.
100 diamonds=85 basic diamonds, 10 intermediate diamonds, 5 advanced.
85 basic= 5 basic, 2 advanced, 6 intermediate.
Total 5 basic, 16 intermediate, 7 advanced.

[quote=TheFrikenGuy]I can't even sell my ADV dark crystal for 30m o_o[/quote]

Dark =/= black.

OT: This isn't a bad way to make meso. But when Chaos comes out...

[quote=VTRaven]how many intermediates did u get? depending on the amount u paid in mts, even if u didnt get any advanced crystals, u should still make minimal profit/the amount u spent total.[/quote]

Never had this happen to me.
Worst outcome from a 100 crystal/jewel run would be
me making as much as I spent on buying the crystals.

[quote=JulienL]Why, Razielle, WHYYYYYYYYY?
Ontopic: This didn't work that well for me ~> no advance crystals, lol. ;(

Also, Adv Diamonds are like 25m atm, silly!

@Above: I did, 100 DEX Crystals gave me 0 Advanced, good stuff. [/quote]

Mmmm some people thought that it'd be a good thing to merch off my 10% scrolls on another world
so they bought all my 10%'s
Also, I got a few LOLMerch's flaming me because they thought katara 60%'s are Vega'ble
and tried to make a quick buck. Moments later they ran back to my shop QQing.
I'm totally out of merchandise to sell at the moment (except for the mass of 1h swords/axes/bw's that ive hoarded)
so I'm dropping out of the scene for a bit.

Sorry about your crystal run Same happened to a couple buddies, but heyy Intermediate crystals still sell for quite a bit.

I posted this when adv diamonds can be found for 8m~10m a pop.

What I do with my crystals/jewels:

ADV crystals = Sell
Inter crystals = Sell/Use to make top and bottoms
Basic crystals = This requires a bit of effort to get rid of. I locate a person who sells their basic crystals really cheap (less than 300k~500k per pop except for power ones)
then use them to make into intermediates. Note that there's still a chance for them to skip intermediate and directly into advance so there's still margin for a big profit gain.

ADV Jewels(Diamond/Black Crystal) = Sell or Use for reverse's as needed.
Inter Jewels(Diamond/Black Crystal) = Use for reverse's/Sell
Basic Jewels(Diamond/Black Crystal) = Same as basic crystals

Key tip on making this a very good money making strategy is getting an excellent FM spot.
FM7, FM13, and FM19 would be the best ones to camp in. The closer you are to the door
(or the farther you are from SilverBolten's mushie), the higher the chance for you to sell your crystals.

Anyone list the prices of Scania? Thanks

Just what as JulienL said

and I don't think this would last forever? Since Chaos is coming soon

@JulienL: lol if u make more interm crystals our of ur basic, u should end up with some advanced crystals, am i wrong? and with PoTs being so cheap these days, they shouldnt take too long to sell... 0_o

This method is more likely a gamble
Say you buy 100 P.Crystals, and then you make it into basic, with chance of getting Basic/Inter/Adv, where out of 100 you might at least get 2 - 7 Advance leaving the rest as basic and inter then turning all basic>inter and from inter>advance, quite good
However, if the person got bad luck, out of 100 Crystals there might be 0 - 1 Advance, and when he/she try to make inter>Adv, there's chance that it will fail.

how many intermediates did u get? depending on the amount u paid in mts, even if u didnt get any advanced crystals, u should still make minimal profit/the amount u spent total.

[quote=archopath]Rofl Im out of db stuff to sell now though except for daggers and kataras..
Be back in business when katara 30%'s come out [/quote]

have u had a 100-crystal maker run where u got zero advanced crystals?
just curious

Rofl Im out of db stuff to sell now though except for daggers and kataras..
Be back in business when katara 30%'s come out

off topic: lol its you again! yes, im a witness to your db-oriented/maker shop
you're like my resource if i need anything now lol

[quote=crazypoorer]apparently she is dumb
100 diamonds at least = 10 basic diamonds=1intermediate
fail much?[/quote]

Apparently YOU are dumb. 100 diamonds = 100 basic diamonds. 1 = 1 basic. so 100 * [insert one here] = 100

turn that into another 10 intermediate/advanced.

And then those into advanced.

Hai taddy c:

25 diamonds for 2.5k nx...
I'd say no to that but since jewels are so scarce nowadays then maybe..
Get at least 2 advances out of that and you'll be fine.

@ Dominion I think he's thinking about ores

[quote=crazypoorer]apparently she is dumb
100 diamonds at least = 10 basic diamonds=1intermediate
fail much?[/quote]

You mean 100 diamonds = 100 basic = 10 intermediate = 1 adv.
Although, there is a chance each time that (for example) a diamond will skip basic and go directly to intermediate.

[quote=bwazayeah]Ok archopath, since you are so uneducated to how it works, its not always 100% basic when u make it basic u have a chance of making it intermediate or advanced right away. Does this change your mind? Now go back to being poor.[/quote]

Are you braindead or something? Archopath is the THREAD STARTER. s/he knew that you can make inter/adv when enchanting to basic.

[quote=axleary2010]Please explain how you did this yesterday. The MTS is down.[/quote]

ohoho you caught me!
If yesterday was 4 hours ago before I went to bed then yeees yesterday!

[quote=archopath]Similar rate here in Windia.
Bought 100 black crystals for 5k nx yesterday.
Made 5 adv black crystals which can sell for 50m+ each.
and 27 intermediates which sell for... 7m+ each?
that's 5k : 250m + 189m = 439m if i decided to sell them [/quote]

Please explain how you did this yesterday. The MTS is down.

[quote=archopath]Windia.
adv dex 45m+
adv luk 45m+
adv diamonds 15m+ and rising since PoTs are cheap
adv black crystals 50m+

and yes, I'm quite dumb for someone who only made 5b+ off this
>.>

edit* I think someone up there's mad [/quote]

I can't even sell my ADV dark crystal for 30m o_o

[quote=crazypoorer]if you cant explain how to make more profit from a 15mil(1:15 ratio in bello) from 1k nx, then how about you just go sit back in ur corner =)[/quote]

Similar rate here in Windia.
Bought 100 black crystals for 5k nx yesterday.
Made 5 adv black crystals which can sell for 50m+ each.
and 27 intermediates which sell for... 7m+ each?
that's 5k : 250m + 189m = 439m if i decided to sell them

like i said it's only a slim chance to make an adv diamond not from inter diamond
@NothingZ, i posted before you, so how about YOU start reading?
@bwazayeah, only fools use crude words, and i cant bet im richer than you(if you're so good, explain how this will work out)
explain what happens to the person who degenerates his diamonds(high chance)?
if you cant explain how to make more profit from a 15mil(1:15 ratio in bello) from 1k nx, then how about you just go sit back in ur corner =)

[quote=cgr100]There's a chance of getting an intermediate or advanced when you combine on any level. There's also a chance of degeneration. Do your research.[/quote]

u think im stupid or something?
of course there is a chance of getting an adv diamon straight away, but if u use 10 basic it might revert back to just 9
thats why my point is that you'll lose money in the first place, and if by any LUCKY chance a degeneration occurs, you'll lose money

so how about YOU do ur research before u start judging people and making stupid/rude comment =)

archopath don't waste your time tring to explain to the nabs lol. they never used the skill before

[quote=4mydodobird3]100 diamonds = 100 basic diamonds = 10 intermediate = 1 adv.[/quote]

Have you ever tried using the maker skill before?
Or maybe you just never got lucky enough to get an advance crystal/jewel from 1 normal crystal/jewel.

sounds like alot of work... and 1st of all why're u telling these people?

This probably works. In the MTS, you can find diamond, black, luk, dex crystal ores for less than 1k for 100 ores.

[quote=gospel95]U said it. "If you are lucky"[/quote]

Worst that can happen is you make what you spent on buying the stuff. including maker-ing fees.