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[quote=xlxlxlxl]I've done DI hundreds of times. Lag isn't a universal thing, you're computer just can't handle it. The simple fact is that in the time it takes to cast either version of Mecha Purge, Beam Dance can kill more double the amount of mobs; especially with the hyper skill for mob count.[/quote]

Its not about the lag of my computer its about the games rendering speed. With attacks like that the game "overkills" on certain targets and doesn't distribute the damage properly. I can disperse the mobs in stage 3 with 3 bombardments where as with BD it takes around the time of 4 bombardments would. On stage 4 its 2 bombardments and with BD it takes around the time as 3-4 bombardments would.
However BD is better on the bosses and in stage one with those giants

[quote=MrSinDeath19]Every Xenon 1 shots them. Like i said, the lag related to the fast attacks makes it less effective. I've done DIPQ over 100 times I think I've figured out what works best.[/quote]
I've done DI hundreds of times. Lag isn't a universal thing, you're computer just can't handle it. The simple fact is that in the time it takes to cast either version of Mecha Purge, Beam Dance can kill more double the amount of mobs; especially with the hyper skill for mob count.

[quote=xlxlxlxl]Beam Dance is way faster if you 1-2 shot the mobs with it.[/quote]

Every Xenon 1 shots them. Like i said, the lag related to the fast attacks makes it less effective. I've done DIPQ over 100 times I think I've figured out what works best.

[quote=Aaaayee]Bombard(ment) is slower and is worse for training in my experience.
It's really only useful at HT to hit the heads.
All other situations Beam Dance is hella better, and if you don't use it, that's your problem.[/quote]

I just use the ult and problem solved! But in serious, if you can't one shot with the ult, I'd use ship at cZak, and beam dance at HT.

[quote=Skaia]@Aaaayee: ?/?//?/
bombard(ment) has better range than beam dance and does more damage
beam dance isnt even good for bossing bc mecha purge snipe does more damage ignores pdr and hits more times[/quote]

Beam dance is better after 21st hit/ 3rd snipe hit
And no purge does not hit more times. Beam dance has many more hits and thus activates triangulation much more, which wasn't even counted in the calculation used to find when beam dance was better. You're just deluding yourself with the big numbers coming out of mecha purge.

[quote=MrSinDeath19]Also, Don't use BD at DIPQ... The footsoldier monsters should be OHKO with whatever but because of the lag caused by BD's fast attack speed and the fact that it hits less of them you clear stage 1, 3 and 4 faster using bombardment (the ship)[/quote]
Beam Dance is way faster if you 1-2 shot the mobs with it.

[quote=Aaaayee]@MrSinDeath19:

The fact that it's untrue and HoH is better regardless?[/quote]

I get 18% per PQ soloing and it takes approx. 6 minutes. HoH is what, like 60-80%/hr max? I think ill stick with DI

And I usually leave at the flying cow stage because its just a pain in the ass to kill and wastes time.

Also, Don't use BD at DIPQ... The footsoldier monsters should be OHKO with whatever but because of the lag caused by BD's fast attack speed and the fact that it hits less of them you clear stage 1, 3 and 4 faster using bombardment (the ship)

for training at norrmal monsters laser otherwise beam dance in DIPQ

I mostly use the laser now, just for the greater forward range. That said, I didn't use it often when levelling, and I rarely use it now. I use laser when I start to lag a bit at golems, VPQ, and for maps with high spawn density. For general mobbing purposes, I used beam dance and diagonal chase because they OHKO'd things my level anyways.

@MrSinDeath19:

The fact that it's untrue and HoH is better regardless?

[quote=morrie2]can you kill the pet? i am struggling at 160 with the pet..[/quote]
if you're doing dipq for exp, i suggest you just leave at the hilla cow stage

[quote=MrSinDeath19]What's silly about 180%/hr at lv 175?[/quote]

can you kill the pet? i am struggling at 160 with the pet..

[quote=Aaaayee]If you train in DIPQ 160+ you're very silly.[/quote]

What's silly about 180%/hr at lv 175?

[quote=MrSinDeath19]Beam Dance is less effective in DI, which is where you train 160+ so its better.
I use bombardment because it hits slightly behind your character and the mobs usually end up there[/quote]

If you train in DIPQ 160+ you're very silly.

[quote=Aaaayee]Bombard(ment) is slower and is worse for training in my experience.
It's really only useful at HT to hit the heads.
All other situations Beam Dance is hella better, and if you don't use it, that's your problem.[/quote]

Beam Dance is less effective in DI, which is where you train 160+ so its better.
I use bombardment because it hits slightly behind your character and the mobs usually end up there

@Aaaayee: all of them

[quote=Skaia]@Aaaayee: ?/?//?/
bombard(ment) has better range than beam dance and does more damage
beam dance isnt even good for bossing bc mecha purge snipe does more damage ignores pdr and hits more times[/quote]
When I do OOp and use terms I use beam dance, I easily out damage my mecha, both are lvl 30.

Bombardment (the ship) is useful for training such as golems if you can 1-2 hit them with it.
The tank is useful for bossing with multiple parts such as Horntails heads
Other then that, I found the tank useless

[quote=Skaia]@Aaaayee: what do you mean its slower?
mecha purge attacks faster than beam dance for me[/quote]

Snipe or Bombard(ment)?

@Aaaayee: what do you mean its slower?
mecha purge attacks faster than beam dance for me

[quote=Skaia]@Aaaayee: ?/?//?/
bombard(ment) has better range than beam dance and does more damage[/quote]

Bombard(ment) has better range but is slower and does less damage.
I was personally semi-funded, so I could kill SH/HoH mobs in a few hits with BD in a second, while it'd take me a full casting of Bombard(ment) to kill them.

@Aaaayee: ?/?//?/
bombard(ment) has better range than beam dance and does more damage
beam dance isnt even good for bossing bc mecha purge snipe does more damage ignores pdr and hits more times

[quote=Skaia]@aaaayee: no it is not
i have never even used beam dance ever[/quote]

Bombard(ment) is slower and is worse for training in my experience.
It's really only useful at HT to hit the heads.
All other situations Beam Dance is hella better, and if you don't use it, that's your problem.

@aaaayee: no it is not
i have never even used beam dance ever

Beam Dance is honestly the best.