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[quote=carrotsfart]Tricks, Tornado is broken, it got patched to try and stop people hacking with it. If you're on flat land, it has 0 range to the right, SSK has longer range when facing the right however it's range towards the left is normal. If you're on stairs, it has 0 range to the left and regular range to the right from what I've found. I asked where people train, because I usually Azwan at 40-60 odd, being unable to use Tornado because of 0 range and CSB because of lunging into altars kind of limits my effectiveness.[/quote]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Seriously Nexon, you do NOTHING to Teleport Mastery or Evan hackers, but you pick on Buccaneers hackers using a second job skill? I mean really, ToT was infested with Teleport Mastery hackers last time I checked, and TU hackers were just abusing low levels spots; you could avoid them easily. That's just ridiculous, and all I can really say is to modify your move patterns to only use TU when it will work, rather than in every situation.

Tricks, Tornado is broken, it got patched to try and stop people hacking with it. If you're on flat land, it has 0 range to the right, SSK has longer range when facing the right however it's range towards the left is normal. If you're on stairs, it has 0 range to the left and regular range to the right from what I've found. I asked where people train, because I usually Azwan at 40-60 odd, being unable to use Tornado because of 0 range and CSB because of lunging into altars kind of limits my effectiveness.

All of it wasn't directed at you; most of it was directed at someone asking where to train at level forty, very little of it was directly meant for you. Most of the whole hand holding thing were meant for the other two posters, while the guide comment is for you; there isn't much to say about Iframes, and I believe I go into the details of Corkscrew Blow and Spiral Assault in the Iframe section. There's not much to say, which is why it's so short. It wasn't meant to be overly harsh towards you, so perhaps I should have specified who I was speaking to.

Corkscrew is mainly used to combo with Spiral Assault, a third job skill, which gives you two rushers you can chain together until you 'break' the combo by not pressing a key. If you're spamming Corkscrew in 2nd job you're not training properly; use it as a finisher or to access platforms in midair, and don't spam it, since Tornado Uppercut has a longer range. Somersault Kick is useful, but it's mostly used for Iframes.

If you're not level 60, you don't have a large amount of options yet, since your skill repertoire is still somewhat lacking; once you gain Spiral Assault, you'll see a massive use for Corkscrew Blow, in addition to the normal uses of an extended jump and rusher. I'm not Expert on Mercedes or BaM's, but imagine a Mage who doesn't have Teleport Mastery; he's lacking a core damage dealing function, and so Teleport is solely a means to be mobile, similar to Corkscrew Blow, which has a large delay that impairs long-term damage. Once you get Spiral Assault, you unlock a lot more possibilities for Corkscrew Blow, which is the same concept Teleport Mastery serves for Teleport.

@Tricks122: Woah, someone needs to calm their nips. I wasn't saying 2nd Job was hard, where on earth did I say that? And I read your guide. While it is a great guide for most things, including builds and such, it only has a short section on iframes rather than what I'm asking here which is how to use the attacks we have. See, every class has their own little things that make them unique - their own little combos. For example, a BaM will spam FB (+Tele) and a Mercedes will use RR+RMS and so, having played those two classes, I come to this class and have no idea about the combos and such to use. When I come to this class and I see the major delay with CSB I have to wonder why people advocate its use so much while knocking TU and saying it's useless. I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong or not using it in the right way or as a part of the right combo. And so I asked a simple question on how to train, I just asked for a few tips but you had to go on this unnecessary rant and make me reply with this unnecessarily long post, which I think is dumb on both our parts quite honestly. This isn't about Nexon holding my hand it's just a quick question and if you have the time to rant for a post that long, you sure as hell have the time just to answer it or move on.

@carrotsfart: While we still had Backspin Blow I used to spam that at CDs and I levelled up quite fast. Now I guess use TU at CDs? At 50+ I went to Scarecrows since I couldn't kill Jesters and I managed to level pretty quickly there.

@Rig175 @uanaka: Thanks very much for the help guys.

How can people STILL have difficulty training? I mean, for the love of whatever Maple God exists, thirty levels of second job is so easy. You don't even need funds, training spots are recommended to you and are plentiful while the exp was lowered, in addition to skill levels being lowered in order to power you up further.

We have guides for a reason, and I'd suggest you use them; Corkscrew is by no means your only move, and Tornado Uppercut is better in certain situations, along with SomerSault Kick. Combined with Stance from Dash, you've got a decent amount of moves for a variety of situations; this is especially true considering how Corkscrew is a diverse move. Nexon has really catered to casual players, and yet people still don't have ideas on how to do these things themselves?

Nexon is holding your hand enough as it is; look at a guide or use the suggestion feature they added in game, which is the reason they were made. I mean honestly, it isn't that difficult, especially if it isn't your first character. If you're training slow, you've either got a bad build, you're training at a bad spot or using a horrible method of training; there's also the possibility of it being a combination of all three problems.

Where the heck do we train? I just made my Brawler today, I've got him to level 40 and I was like "oh, i'll just do Azwan, it'll be easy Exp like it was on all my other chars" but tornado not being able to go right makes it impossible, i can't even beat easy! Where do I train a level 40 brawler?