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@killercool9: Err... that's hits per second not damage per second.

[quote=Darkwizzie]Don't forget that our funding increases with time though. <3 Very rarely does somebody say "30b funding" and then get 30b and then never ever get more. You have to start from somewhere, right?

As a Kaiser main I do feel that DS will train faster at higher levels. I don't know what will happen with the "future patch" that will alter DS however.[/quote]

I'll say it now, Dps doesn't hold much weight unless you're capping/near cap damage.

You're not gonna cap at 30b funding, not anywhere close. Not nearly enough funding to make Kaiser DPS have a significant impact.

Kaisers, but they feel clunky as balls. You could probably get more damage with 35b from a ds but if you can get more than that then definitely go kaiser if you care about damage.

@Gildarts: I see what you mean as that is why people choose to get a Kaiser. The speed and number of attacks is good. The only factor is, funding. The % damage of each strike for bunch of lines is lower than lower line higher % damage. All in all, I think Arans are a good joy stick character like playing street fighter style where you have to run combos for maximal damage.

@donkreeq:
My first character was an aran, stopped at level 200 and decided to switch to Dark Knights. Arans are fun, but too much key smashing is a problem, and the attack lines are only 5 I believe. People now-a-days prefer alot of attack lines

[quote=Gildarts]Do you know how fast kaisers spam those 10 lines of damage? And requires no cooldown * 3 *
Be that kaiser. Gameplay is much more simple and interesting than demonslayers. You have to deal with demonslayer's limited consumption and cooldown for pure blood.[/quote]

I played both to 140 and I think Slayer has more complicated game play as you have to time out between consumption and cooldown. However, Nexon did mention that was their plan as they wanted to push DS to use other skills in conjunction for varied game play. Kaiser, I believe is simple, but too simple. The chain combo between Inferno, Blade Burst and Gigas Wave definitely gets boring after a while.

Far as game play goes for warrior, I think Zero, Hayato and Aran (if you accept the challenge) are best.

Do you know how fast kaisers spam those 10 lines of damage? And requires no cooldown * 3 *
Be that kaiser. Gameplay is much more simple and interesting than demonslayers. You have to deal with demonslayer's limited consumption and cooldown for pure blood.

Demon slayer!

I love having bind, bossing is great and training is even better.

Okay when I boss and train it will be with a Bow Master and Kanna because were a group of 3... what do you think I should do?

You aren't suppose to jump from one side to the other to Blade Burst, you are suppose to use Dragons Barrage to get you from one side to another and with the one hit ko percentage, it helps a lot. And yes, Kaisers do fall short as they are late bloomers and requires so much fundings makes Kaiser a not so popular class. Kaisers feels like a class that requires an unlimited amount of funds as I seen QueenofN0va only do 30M lines in SDH and she's probably around 4-5M range....

[quote=jt3mpur4]For SDH especially, Blade Burst is spammable and with combo keys, you regain health and it does five damage lines and the explode animation does another five damage lines equating up to ten. Inferno Breath can be used every 20 seconds as it can literally cover one side of the map in SDH and can hit up to 15 monsters and leaves behind lingering fires that deal DoT. Dragons Barrage is like a rush skill that gives you some mobility with a one-hit ko percentage. Inferno Breath has a 20 second cool down but you can use Kaisers Majesty to reset the cooldown and gives you a temporary 30 second attack speed boost which helps you kill the monsters faster. Other warriors besides Hayato's and Kaisers cap damage real fast while these two struggle to cap damage but you are given faster attack speed for compensation I guess, sometimes I feel like I could have chosen another class as it takes over 3M range to start hitting 20M lines xD.

Probably the reason why people think Kaisers aren't the ideal mobbers is because they only spam Blade Burst and it isn't enough to level them up which in case, if you mix it up with Inferno Breath, Dragons Barrage and Stone Dragon, it would help much more as those other skills can help you cover one side of the map while you concentrate on another portion with Blade Burst.[/quote]

I would think that they would be good mobbers if they are able to 1-2 shot the SDH mobs but then again, every class can have a fine time grinding in SDH if they 1-2 shot. The amount of damage that you would need for inferno+flame dmg+stone dragon to kill one side of the map would require way more than every average mapler can put in. And if you were able to do that, then I would think Demon Slayers would already be one hitting them with impact (pretty hard to 1 shot with cry).

I would think in such situation where a Kaiser would only blade burst spam on one side then jump to another to spam blade burst again, would definitely get beaten in clear speed then a Demon Slayer only spamming impact on one side then going to another to do the same. As for the second situation where a Kaiser would use a combo that you mentioned above, would also get out-classed due to the raw damage that Demon Slayer has on top of Kaisers due to funding issues.

Have to agree on the choosing another class. The sheer amount of funding this class needs is just depressing.

[quote=singsangsong]As you mentioned in your second paragraph, all those attack speed and lines (giga+wing beat+will of swords) makes Kaisers one of the best bossers in the game. I may be wrong here as I have only trained one up to 170 therefore have not trained in high level areas such as SDH (played only for fun), but sword burst's x-axis seemed too short and would affect their grinding speed compared to a Demon Slayer. This is all said because of the funding limits that the main poster has and with such limit, Kaisers will not dish out high enough damage as a Demon Slayer would, to efficiently kill mobs in SDH. Demon Slayer would two hit mobs with demon cry+demon impact with same funds and a Kaiser would not one hit with sword burst only (I'm not counting inferno because it does have a cooldown and barrage because it seemed to be useless when I trained my Kaiser to 170).

I also think that Demon Slayers are equally mobile as Kaisers due to their flying, vertcial jump, a 2nd/3rd job skill that lets you teleport to a random mob along with flashjump (that you dont always use). I personally feel the Demon Slayer's rush at 2nd job feels a lot better than the Kaisers one.

Kaisers do have one of the best maximum damage output in the game and Demon Slayers has a not-bad-but-still-can-boss kit. But with limited funds, I strongly believe Demon Slayers are the better choice here than a Kaiser.[/quote]
For SDH especially, Blade Burst is spammable and with combo keys, you regain health and it does five damage lines and the explode animation does another five damage lines equating up to ten. Inferno Breath can be used every 20 seconds as it can literally cover one side of the map in SDH and can hit up to 15 monsters and leaves behind lingering fires that deal DoT. Dragons Barrage is like a rush skill that gives you some mobility with a one-hit ko percentage. Inferno Breath has a 20 second cool down but you can use Kaisers Majesty to reset the cooldown and gives you a temporary 30 second attack speed boost which helps you kill the monsters faster. Other warriors besides Hayato's and Kaisers cap damage real fast while these two struggle to cap damage but you are given faster attack speed for compensation I guess, sometimes I feel like I could have chosen another class as it takes over 3M range to start hitting 20M lines xD.

Probably the reason why people think Kaisers aren't the ideal mobbers is because they only spam Blade Burst and it isn't enough to level them up which in case, if you mix it up with Inferno Breath, Dragons Barrage and Stone Dragon, it would help much more as those other skills can help you cover one side of the map while you concentrate on another portion with Blade Burst.

Don't forget that our funding increases with time though. <3 Very rarely does somebody say "30b funding" and then get 30b and then never ever get more. You have to start from somewhere, right?

As a Kaiser main I do feel that DS will train faster at higher levels. I don't know what will happen with the "future patch" that will alter DS however.

[quote=jt3mpur4]There is a later patch where they are raising the comsumption for Demon Cry so it's no longer spammable so Demon Slayers would have to move around more and Kaisers has the highest mobility out of all the warrior classes because of it's Vertical Grapple which allows them to elevate higher platforms, Blade Burst, Dragons Barrage, Inferno Breath and Stone Dragon is all it takes to train in SDH and not to mention using the combo key with these skills increase their attack speed which Demon Slayers pales in significance.

Demon Slayer has a huge arsenal of ignore enemy DEF skills whereas Kaiser is concentrated on fast attack speeds with skills that can ignore damage reflect and ignore. Kaisers come with in-class (4) attack speed buffs and if you get MPE Green Pot, Inner Ability Attack Speed and Decent Speed Infusion, you'll get drunk on how incredibly fast you are hitting. (Kaisers Majesty isn't included as it does increase your attack speed but only lasts 30 seconds.)[/quote]

As you mentioned in your second paragraph, all those attack speed and lines (giga+wing beat+will of swords) makes Kaisers one of the best bossers in the game. I may be wrong here as I have only trained one up to 170 therefore have not trained in high level areas such as SDH (played only for fun), but sword burst's x-axis seemed too short and would affect their grinding speed compared to a Demon Slayer. This is all said because of the funding limits that the main poster has and with such limit, Kaisers will not dish out high enough damage as a Demon Slayer would, to efficiently kill mobs in SDH. Demon Slayer would two hit mobs with demon cry+demon impact with same funds and a Kaiser would not one hit with sword burst only (I'm not counting inferno because it does have a cooldown and barrage because it seemed to be useless when I trained my Kaiser to 170).

I also think that Demon Slayers are equally mobile as Kaisers due to their flying, vertcial jump, a 2nd/3rd job skill that lets you teleport to a random mob along with flashjump (that you dont always use). I personally feel the Demon Slayer's rush at 2nd job feels a lot better than the Kaisers one.

Kaisers do have one of the best maximum damage output in the game and Demon Slayers has a not-bad-but-still-can-boss kit. But with limited funds, I strongly believe Demon Slayers are the better choice here than a Kaiser.

[quote=singsangsong]http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2863485/1/Picking_a_Shade_or_a_Demon_slayer_as_main_.html#46203281

Read my post on this thread. Kaisers would the Shade in this situation. If you are looking to train as well, then Demon Slayer is the better choice, Kaisers aren't the best at training. I would like to write more on this but it would seem too complicated so if you have anymore questions feel free to post it.[/quote]

There is a later patch where they are raising the comsumption for Demon Cry so it's no longer spammable so Demon Slayers would have to move around more and Kaisers has the highest mobility out of all the warrior classes because of it's Vertical Grapple which allows them to elevate higher platforms, Blade Burst, Dragons Barrage, Inferno Breath and Stone Dragon is all it takes to train in SDH and not to mention using the combo key with these skills increase their attack speed which Demon Slayers pales in significance.

Demon Slayer has a huge arsenal of ignore enemy DEF skills whereas Kaiser is concentrated on fast attack speeds with skills that can ignore damage reflect and ignore. Kaisers come with in-class (4) attack speed buffs and if you get MPE Green Pot, Inner Ability Attack Speed and Decent Speed Infusion, you'll get drunk on how incredibly fast you are hitting. (Kaisers Majesty isn't included as it does increase your attack speed but only lasts 30 seconds.)

If only there was a special place for people..

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2863485/1/Picking_a_Shade_or_a_Demon_slayer_as_main_.html#46203281

Read my post on this thread. Kaisers would the Shade in this situation. If you are looking to train as well, then Demon Slayer is the better choice, Kaisers aren't the best at training. I would like to write more on this but it would seem too complicated so if you have anymore questions feel free to post it.

This exact topic actually came up just a few days ago:
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2862939