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@ClericBoyzZ15 First of all, Tersera's example is a comparison between the two situations. You're taking it literally when it should be taken metaphorically.

Fine then, let's say I would recommend to not max Soul Arrow on a Marksman because you should max Eagle. Do you honestly think that Eagle(Which is next to useless) is better than Soul Arrow? Before you even try to say it's a similar situation with Magic Guard I'll have you note that Marksman are rather arrow efficient(6 Arrows for their 1v1, 1 for their mobber if I remember right) and Diamond Arrows exist so Soul Arrow isn't mandatory by any means. Fact of the matter is that Energy Blast is BETTER in virtually every way and Landlubber Blast simply isn't good. If you REALLY like it then get one point early on and use it until you realize how much it sucks.

Saying someone should max what they like because the difference doesn't matter(Which it does) is silly. As is saying that Magicians blow any common topic out of proportion; it has NO relevance to my argument whatsoever, nor to this topic.

[quote=ClericBoyZ15]I didn't max Landlubber Blast, due to the fact that I thought you needed to
max out Energy Blast for Buccaneer Blast; nevertheless, I still use that skill
up to this day (,and I mount-cancel it during the process).

Due to all honesty, who cares how "x-skill" has better DPS/DPM than "y-skill".
It's really not that serious... Just enjoy the game, and stop taking it so seriously
like you're going to win an award for killing enemies "0.0567 seconds faster".[/quote]

If someone wants a proper build they deserve one. Yes, the game is about fun. In that case just get level 1 in every skill as Tersera said so you can mess around and then follow a proper build. Let me put it this way... Say that we follow the concept of "EVERYTHING should be based around fun" for a minute. Is spending MP potions fun? Probably not, and Mages will guzzle them with Magic Guard. I go to their forums and then say you shouldn't max Magic Guard.

Do you honestly think that they'd let me get away with that? They would not. My justification is PERFECTLY fine(MP potions are costly, less Magic Guard makes you spend less MP potions hence more mesos to use on fun things), but the practical applications are bad. Just like in this situation.

[quote=ClericBoyZ15]Due to all honesty, who cares how "x-skill" has better DPS/DPM than "y-skill".
It's really not that serious... Just enjoy the game, and stop taking it so seriously
like you're going to win an award for killing enemies "0.0567 seconds faster".[/quote]
In the event that you're only playing for fun. Level 1 of all attack skills since it hits max mob from level 1 (with BB as the only exception) is sufficient and a correct/efficient build is irrelevant. But that wasn't his question, he's asking for valid reasons why it's a crap skill.

You could be a weirdo and ride a bike with a stolen wheel and still have fun if you like unicycles but it won't get you to your destination as quick as a bike with 2 wheels.

You should do what you like. At the end of the day, both skills will be obsolete by 4th job.
#YoloAmigo

@Cryptic: Now i understand your frustration and i sympathize.

[quote=KingsGlory]@Tricks122: I get where yall are coming from. Buccs have never maxed shockwave and we shouldn't start now.[/quote]

That's true. But the point is at those who think it should be maxed over the other skills. Tersera has already pointed why it shouldn't be maxed at all. Anyone who [b]STILL[/b] thinks it should be maxed..well.. clearly doesn't want a proper build. By all means, those that decide to max Landlubber can go for it, if they want to hold themselves back.

@Tricks122: I get where yall are coming from. Buccs have never maxed shockwave and we shouldn't start now.

because of the name.

[quote=KingsGlory]chica why are you so angry and bitter? Who peed in your coco puffs?[/quote]

Honestly, he's saying what most of us are thinking, or at the very least what I'm thinking. Honestly, it's almost like asking why Warriors max HP Boost instead of Power Strike; it's painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain as to why you max them.

[quote=coalman4444]@Ravens
IDGAF about dps/DPM because doing the rush combo and using Bucc Blast is not fun at all. You play the game for fun then make use of all your skills.
Play for fun not for damage even if it will cost you maybe 1 or 2 percent less in exp.[/quote]

You should play Aran before Alliance or Chaos. I'm sure not a lot of people cared about using Smart Knockback or Rolling Spin. You have no clue what fun is. And I know it doesn't require using very useless skills.

[quote=Takeback3r]Yeah this thread confirms it. Buccaneers are stupider since revamp.[/quote]

chica why are you so angry and bitter? Who peed in your coco puffs?

Yeah this thread confirms it. Buccaneers are stupider since revamp.

[quote=andrewthepro]I have a UA bucc so I have sharks haha noob[/quote]

I'm glad. You know, there is a world beyond the computer that can bring to you 1000 laughs.

I've been there!

LANDLUBBER BLAST IS SLOW AS A DONKEY </3

[quote=Ravens]my only problem with energy blast is that its too slow for its range and in pqs I'd probably csb+ds my way to victory[/quote]
We're talking about Marauders. Dragon Strike makes LLB and EB non-existent.

[quote=andrewthepro]I have a 30 attack bonus and it only took me two days to get to 120 with my funding. haha noob[/quote]

takes like 4 hrs...

[quote=Ravens]please tell me what mob that I can stun will LAST more than 1-2 hits?[/quote]
Any party quest mobs in which you're the underdog in the party.

Anyway, if criticals are your lame excuse to justify the use of Landlubber Blast you're still dumb.

EB DPM: [b]47058.82%[/b] no crit
LLB DPM: 35714.29% no crit
That's [b]11344.53%[/b] damage higher per mob.

CSB+SA DPM: 35438.60%
That's 275.69% weaker than LLB per mob.

Reasons why CSB+SA is [b]better[/b] even though slightly [b]weaker[/b]:

It takes 34 hits to charge as a Marauder on regular mobs so even unstunnable monsters with high HP in LHC:
Assuming max mob count, that's 6 hits.
3 CSB+SA combo takes 5130ms to fully charge.
LLB takes 7560ms to fully charge.

3 CSB+SA in 5130ms does 3030% * 6 damage. That's [b]18180%[/b].
6 LLB in 7560ms does 4500% * 6. That's [b]27000%[/b].

There's a difference time of 2430ms. With that extra 2430ms, you can add in two extra Energy Blasts for 800% * 2 * 6. [b]9600%[/b] on top of CSB+SA's damage for a total of [b]27780%[/b]. Slightly higher damage than using LLB to charge even on static mobs. The only drawback is that you'll get physical damage more often which potions can fix.

Difference between the damage of LLB and CSB+SA combo widens as the number of mobs hit are less and the activation of Knuckle Booster (as the time reduced from both CSB and SA combined are greater than that of just LLB).

[i]Clearly LLB is weaker in damage overtime but the high initial damage seems to have blinded people into thinking that it's actually strong. Here's some news for anyone who still believes that,[/i] [b]the number of mobs hit by the CSB+SA combo will increase as you group mobs together while LLB remains the same or reduces as you kill them off inconsequently[/b]. [i]Theoretical and practical use of LLB are inferior.[/i]

As a level 1 skill, I don't deny that it's stronger (and I would encourage Marauders to get it but keep it at level 1 from early Marauderhood) but to max it over any other skills is dumb. It's the most useless skill in our moveset taking into account future job advancements and decent Buccaneer control with a proper training ground suitable for Marauders.

Alright yeah I understand now, thanks!

It sucks that I never use blast in fourth job. Or should I be? I find absolutely no situation where it could possibly be effective. Someone enlighten me.

Shockwave will always be shockwave, though.

When you're training, you do so with a Spiral/CSB combo. You rarely ever (if it all) stop to hit things with either LLB or Energy Blast. That said, LLB is used primarily for building energy in places like Azwan or LHC. Energy Blast is just far more powerful in terms of damage done, both in mobs and 1v1. That's why it's maxed instead of LLB.

Because you're a pirate, not a landlubber. Use your head next time.

>Blast is superior in both initial damage and DoT.
>Blast also has 100% stun with stun mastery further increasing your damage.
>Blast is faster.
>Landlubber finds no home beyond level 119.
>Staying in one spot to use one attack over and over again would hinder training speed as opposed to moving while attacking with Corkscrew Blow and Spiral Assault.

I found energy blast much better for grinding out azwan. Shockwave is purely for building energy and nothing else.

I hate both energy blast and landlubber, mostly because the Corkscrew blow and Spiral combination are good enough.
Just using that combo, I've killed a whole mob before I can even do the combo for the second time.
Energy and landlubber are both too slow for me.

Yeah that's what I was wondering since Landlubber starts out at a high damage % already and doesn't require energy charge to use. I just wanted some facts on why most people max Energy Blast over Landlubber.

Sorry lol I phrased it like I HAD to follow the guides, but why energy blast over landlubber?

You could max it if you'd like. A guide is just a recommendation, not a mandate.

It's useless at fourth job.