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Gaming Pc build help

so i've been doing a few test builds to see how much i'd have to pay for building my own computer.

these builds are all for mild/high gaming, streaming movies and sports. Im trying to spend about $650 not including OS.
so i'd like some opinions on these build and the parts.

ignore the cases/fans/optical drives.

build 1: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Nq6HMp
build 2: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MPDC99
build 3: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/y8X6zy

all opinions welcomed. thank you.

September 8, 2015

18 Comments • Newest first

FwuffehStarz

@hyperfire7: he said to ignore case, he probably wanted inner parts within budget.

Reply September 9, 2015
bomberb0i2

@hyperfire7: the missing case is fine. i just put in the case i wanted and all the parts fit with no problem.

Reply September 9, 2015
hyperfire7

[quote=bomberb0i2]@hyperfire7: Thank you so much and sorry for making you do so much work. the build @fwuffehstarz made for me seems very do able for me so ima take both this and her build into consideration.thank you.[/quote]
It's not that much work dw lol.
And her build seems to be missing a case for some reason.

Reply September 8, 2015
bomberb0i2

@hyperfire7: Thank you so much and sorry for making you do so much work. the build @fwuffehstarz made for me seems very do able for me so ima take both this and her build into consideration.

thank you.

Reply September 8, 2015
hyperfire7

[quote=bomberb0i2]@hyperfire7: god that cpu price...that thing alone will take me some time to pay for... any way i can use a cheaper one?
if thats the onyl difference between SSD and HDD i dont mind the wait then. i usually turn my comp on and go do something else for a while anyways.[/quote]
You can go for the i5-4460 instead. It's a non-K CPU, meaning that it's not overclockable. However it'll save you $50 compared to the i5-4690K and yet another ~$50 since you don't need to spend additional $$$ on a CPU cooler and a Z97 motherboard that's meant to OC your CPU.
You seem to be very wary on price, so I revised the build even further for you to make it by also changing the case, the power supply, and removing the HDD (since you already have one) to make it ~$510 instead of ~$690 like my last build was.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YCWkBm

I still highly recommend you get an SSD though. You will regret not getting one.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
FwuffehStarz

Instead of 1 stick get 2 sticks of 4gbs of ram just in case one stick blows up. Also switch the amd processor for intel i5 one. Also, dont buy an after market cooler it's a waste of money on your build, just stick with the stock cooler. Also, I editted it your build to try and get it within budget. SSD is really needed for your OS if you want fast boot up. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2x7xJx
EDIT: I dont know if you have a Job or not, but you could wait till you have enough money to get a Corsair liquid cooler since you're going to overclock.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
Burning

Yes. Your motherboard options also open up more as you can buy cheaper motherboards with the H97 or B95 chipsets.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
bomberb0i2

i was comparing i5-4460 vs. i5-4690k
and the only real diffence is that the 4690k is better for OCing. since i want to save money on the cpu should i just getthe 4460 since its nearly identical in everything besides OCing?

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
Burning

They do happen. Just not always at predictable times. K-series i5s have been sold for $200 before.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
bomberb0i2

@burning: just wish Intel CPU's went on sale....

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
Burning

[quote=bomberb0i2]well i was thinking since the holidays and stuff are coming up i could buy the parts for even cheaper than they are currently so i can save alot more.[/quote]

It's a viable strategy. If the past two years are an indication of what to expect this upcoming season, RAM, hard drives, and $100-500 SSDs will see the best deals.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
bomberb0i2

@burning: well i was thinking since the holidays and stuff are coming up i could buy the parts for even cheaper than they are currently so i can save alot more.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
Burning

[quote=bomberb0i2]im going to be doing graphic design work soon so i might need the OCing.[/quote]

You do not. You want a good monitor and that could be the most expensive component.

You don't even need a very expensive processor. Yet, and as has already been mentioned, Intel i5 processors have far more single core performance compared to that of AMD processors. That's more valuable for your games and work.

[quote=bomberb0i2]im going to play Path of Exile and Team Fortress 2 and some others. should have mentioned im mainly playing Free to Play PC games.

...Also dont want to spend alot on the video card was looking to spend at most $150 or around there.[/quote]

Those are both undemanding games. Even cutting to within the range of low-end video cards at around $100, Radeon R7 360 and GeForce GTX 750, will deliver overkill performance.

[quote=bomberb0i2]i dont think im gonna upgrade the system that soon. ill keep it for a fairly long time or until parts start getting old and need to be replaced.[/quote]

Prices are quite good right now and it's a good time for you to buy.

If you were looking to stay on top of new technology, then buying now would be a bad time. New sockets and slots are making their way into the consumer market with the most notable being DDR4 memory, socket LGA 1151 for Intel Skylake processors, and upcoming socket AM4 for AMD Zen processors. This shouldn't matter to you with the way how you intend to use a new computer. Processors and RAM don't usually fail within the expected lifetime of a PC. It's far more likely to be the hard drive that fails and that can be easily replaced. They are also not expected to change for quite a while.

[quote=bomberb0i2]also i been wondering wat's the difference between SSD and an HDD. if i could i'd like to save some money there cause i have some old HDD's from old comps i could wipe clean and add them to the new comp. the old drives i think are like 500GB-750GB.[/quote]

SSDs and HDDs serve the same fundamental purpose and that is data storage. You have the choice of using either to save money or together to reap the benefits of the pros of both. SSDs and HDDs differ in their operation and each confer their own pros and cons. SSDs have far faster read and write speeds, but they are more expensive compared to HDDs.

I rarely recommend SSDs to gamers with a budget as limited as yours since I prefer allocating more money to the video card for more gaming performance. However, the games you play aren't demanding at all. You can afford more storage space to hold your files.

[quote=bomberb0i2]sorry for being really picky about the parts and being clueless about this stuff. first time building a comp and dont want to waste money on over expensive parts.[/quote]

That's understandable. Fortunately, your needs realistically don't need expensive parts.

Things aren't going to change much in the meantime. I don't expect a new major product launch until January so prices are pretty much going to sit the same for many months to come. You have plenty of time to do more research. Use Google responsibly.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
bomberb0i2

@hyperfire7: god that cpu price...that thing alone will take me some time to pay for... any way i can use a cheaper one?
if thats the onyl difference between SSD and HDD i dont mind the wait then. i usually turn my comp on and go do something else for a while anyways.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
hyperfire7

[quote=bomberb0i2]@hyperfire7: well im going to be doing graphic design work soon so i might need the OCing.

im going to play Path of Exile and Team Fortress 2 and some others. should have mentioned im mainly playing Free to Play PC games.
i just want the system to be able to handle the workload of gaming/streaming (minaly Sports) and my graphic design work.
i dont think im gonna upgrade the system that soon. ill keep it for a fairly long time or until parts start getting old and need to be replaced.

also i been wondering wat's the difference between SSD and an HDD. if i could i'd like to save some money there cause i have some old HDD's from old comps i could wipe clean and add them to the new comp. the old drives i think are like 500GB-750GB. Also dont want to spend alot on the video card was looking to spend at most $150 or around there.

sorry for being really picky about the parts and being clueless about this stuff. first time building a comp and dont want to waste money on over expensive parts.[/quote]

Alright, you definitely want to spend the bulk of your budget on your CPU then, especially since the games you are playing aren't anywhere near demanding.
Go with this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Drthcf
As for SSD v. HDD, the short answer is that SSDs load applications multiple times faster than a HDD. (i.e. booting up Windows 7 on an HDD with typical startup programs may take ~45 seconds, SSD will boot it in 10~15 seconds). The downside is obviously the price, so most people (like myself) install the OS and other most frequently used programs on an SSD and store other files that don't need the speed of the SSD (i.e. movies and music) on the HDD.
Even though you are making a budget build, I would still purchase an SSD as they are a must have IMO, especially since you're doing content creation.
If you can scrap an HDD from an existing build, format it clean of old files and use it. This will save you $50, which you can allocate to any of the following to suit your needs:
a) Upgrading your SSD to a 250GB one.
b) Getting another 8GB of DDR3 RAM.
c) Upgrading your CPU cooler to the Corsair H80i
d) Not use it.
*Personally I would choose option a) or b) as the Hyper 212 EVO air cooler will let you overclock your CPU to a stable 4.2~4.3GHz easily.
On a side note, the 750 Ti will easily max out F2P games like TF2 @ 1080p, or even 1440p. It'll be able to handle modern AAA titles as well should you get into some serious gaming in the future, albeit at medium settings instead of high/very high like the 960 could.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
bomberb0i2

@hyperfire7: well im going to be doing graphic design work soon so i might need the OCing.

im going to play Path of Exile and Team Fortress 2 and some others. should have mentioned im mainly playing Free to Play PC games.
i just want the system to be able to handle the workload of gaming/streaming (minaly Sports) and my graphic design work.
i dont think im gonna upgrade the system that soon. ill keep it for a fairly long time or until parts start getting old and need to be replaced.

also i been wondering wat's the difference between SSD and an HDD. if i could i'd like to save some money there cause i have some old HDD's from old comps i could wipe clean and add them to the new comp. the old drives i think are like 500GB-750GB. Also dont want to spend alot on the video card was looking to spend at most $150 or around there.

sorry for being really picky about the parts and being clueless about this stuff. first time building a comp and dont want to waste money on over expensive parts.

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited
hyperfire7

Scrap all 3 of those builds. Reasons (assuming this PC is going to used primarily to game and stream media)

1) You chose AMD processors for all 3. AMD processors seems more appealing to the inexperienced shopper, as they offer higher core count CPUs that cost less than an Intel CPU with fewer cores.
However, you should buy an Intel CPU instead because:
a. The AMD CPU architecture has been weaker than the Intel counterparts.
b. The Vishera (AMD FX-6300) and the Trinity (AMD A10-5800K) architectures are more than 3 years old now, whereas the Haswell architecture for Intel is only around 1.5 years old. (There's the Skylake architecture for Intel that only came out a month ago, but currently only 2 processors are being sold with that architecture, and they're both out of your budget).
c. Most games only use 2 cores, with a few using 4. So it's better to buy a CPU with fewer, but stronger cores than a CPU with many, but weaker cores.

2a) Seems like you bought into the overclocking hype-train. Overclocking is great, don't get me wrong, but if you're not going to be running applications that are CPU heavy (i.e. content creating softwares like Adobe After Effects, Adobe Preimere, etc.), and you're strictly using the PC to consume media and play games, you don't need to overclock your CPU.
2b) The motherboards you chose aren't optimal for overclocking your CPU anyways, so you're won't get the full benefit of spending the extra $$$ on liquid cooling your CPU.

Now answer me these:
1) What is the most demanding game that you're planning to play? If you do not know, just list a few games you'll be playing.
2) Do you care about how physically big your system is?
3) How soon are you planning to upgrade your system after you buy it?

Here's a solid $650~700 PC that can handle even modern demanding AAA titles like Witcher 3 and GTA V @ 1080p 50~60FPS on high settings. For slightly older (but still great looking) AAA titles like Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider 2013, the build will be able to easily max it out @ 1080p.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q8473C

Reply September 8, 2015 - edited