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Should I cube my

12% ATT 9% Dex 9% STR Fafnir Xbow
or
40% boss, 9% total damage, crap 3rd line secondary weapon?

Assuming I'm on medium level-funded and I only have 12.

August 17, 2015

9 Comments • Newest first

Klytta

@fairystories: That one works, plenty of others out there as well.

@fairystories: Just wanted to note that NL has a large amount of passive %boss and %TTD making the need for %boss lines minimal to almost none. So you're going about it the right way regarding your class. NL is more of a %PDR/%ATT hungry class above all else.

@Onlineborising Honestly many factors come into play when cubing so it's hard to give you an exact this or that unless you're going for that "perfect" setup. If you end up with a 21%+ Attack pot keep it by all means. Medium funding would be about 1.2-1.8mil range? At that range I would suggest you get around 60-100%+ boss from weapons(main potentials only) with a solid 21-30% attack from emblem/weapons as well. Plus you must have that 1 high %PDR line(35 or 40%). The only reason why the % attack is not balanced in this case is because you have a extra 1-2 possible sources of %attack from your emblem pushing it higher. Plus it's because you're not at the bonus potential stage... and that's a money pit. The amount of %attack will also aid you in mobbing and other things without having a lesser effect like %TTD and will mean more later on should you continue to upgrade.

Should you cube, and need additional advice just hit me up with a message and I'll help you out. Without actually seeing each potential as they change it leaves just far too many possibilities and I wouldn't want you to cube over something that is sufficient or not what you imagine but godly in it's own right.

Edit just realized you're talking about xbow and secondary. Ignore what I said regarding the 1 PDR line, more likely than not you need at least two of high value.
You need to look at your passives and hyper skills to get a better picture as to what your true stats are.

Also know that your hyper skill +20% damage would be acting like %TTD, so add that to your boss.

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@borising Your cubing went very well, both of those potentials will hold you over. However you need to get %PDR on your emblem, the total value needed depends on your passives/hypers. But until you get your PDR some bosses will be rough for you to do proper damage on.

Class specific items tend to be the best items in the game for your character (besides gollux). So it's very much so worth it to cube them. However with maple as it is now... it's almost always the better choice to get mesos and purchase already cubed items. Just be smart about it. However, I do implore you to stay away from "soul bound" items until the very end or completely if possible.

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fairystories

[quote=klytta]@fairystories % boss to be balanced with large values of %attack forces boss to optimize at 340%+. Excessive %att without the boss causes damage loss. Rather significantly after a point. %stat is negligible if you use math to remove it from the equation. I have a link for a blog about the math and yada yada but I'm too lazy to find it so Google it or something.

P.s. Cube the Xbow if you're bossing, if you're training the secondary... but both need work.[/quote]

Is it this one? http://bossvsatt.blogspot.com

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BoRising

[quote=klytta]@fairystories % boss to be balanced with large values of %attack forces boss to optimize at 340%+. Excessive %att without the boss causes damage loss. Rather significantly after a point. %stat is negligible if you use math to remove it from the equation. I have a link for a blog about the math and yada yada but I'm too lazy to find it so Google it or something.

P.s. Cube the Xbow if you're bossing, if you're training the secondary... but both need work.[/quote]

Thanks! You always give straight-up advice when it comes to these things. How much % of each should I be aiming for assuming I'm medium funding? (I cubed before you could reply, my secondary ended up at 21% ATT and some crit, and my Xbow ended up at 9% ATT, 30% Boss, 9% All stats) I'm assuming they should be good for a long time now and that I should stay away considering many of my items aren't even potted. I'm assuming I should be cubing a boss arena emblem soon. Also, is it a waste to cube class-specific items like tops/bottoms/shoes/tyrant capes for stats?

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Klytta

@fairystories % boss to be balanced with large values of %attack forces boss to optimize at 340%+. Excessive %att without the boss causes damage loss. Rather significantly after a point. %stat is negligible if you use math to remove it from the equation. I have a link for a blog about the math and yada yada but I'm too lazy to find it so Google it or something.

P.s. Cube the Xbow if you're bossing, if you're training the secondary... but both need work.

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Bombusa

I'm a zero sitting at 381% boss on beta f3

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fairystories

[quote=borising]Which of my weapons should have boss damage then? I'm confused how people say they should be getting 300%.[/quote]

There are multiple ways for you to get boss damage. My Night Walker has 200% boss (without dojo gloves) and that's from:

Superior Gollux 4-set (30%)
CRA 4-set (60%; 30 from set, 30 from the claw's base stats)
25% boss nebs on weapon and secondary (50%)
Demon Slayer level 2 link (15%)
Beast Tamer level 2 link (7%)
One line of 20% boss on my secondary
+ character card set bonuses

300% boss seems excessive... Someone else could probably explain the math behind how boss% and att% work in conjunction with main stat%.

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BoRising

[quote=fairystories]I personally despise seeing two lines of boss% on anything (att% is best) so I would cube the secondary for att%.[/quote]

Which of my weapons should have boss damage then? I'm confused how people say they should be getting 300%.

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fairystories

I personally despise seeing two lines of boss% on anything (att% is best) so I would cube the secondary for att%.

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Zeurth

I'd assume the xbow, only have one good line..

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