Kmst 1.2.490 Night Lord Changes
'Hunting ability in every job level except 2nd isn't bad. However, in the case of 2nd Job, their hunting ability is drastically worse, from having low damage' (Southperry 2013).
Shruiken burst has been increase from 330% --> 410%
I think Nexon needs to look at NL more deeply. I think having low damage for 2nd job doesn't really matter. Right now NL main focus should be on survivability skills. Come on Nexon, every other thief (exclude NW) has some type of of extra avoid-ability skill.
Discuss
[b]Reference[/b]
Southperry 2013, 'KMST 1.2.490 Typical Generic Patch', retrieved 10 October 2013, <http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=69528>
October 10, 2013
29 Comments • Newest first
Why can't people on this website do what people do in real life? People in real life go:
"Haha, I don't agree with you, you're entitled to your opinion."
You guys need to chill out. No need to list your credentials as proof for why I'm wrong.
No one here is even addressing the OP's point of this thread. He is saying that NLs are good dmg wise, but are horrible survivability-wise. Which I agree with, our survivability is the worst in the game. There is no other class as bad as us.
[quote=TheGoatfry]<yawn>
NL's had their time in the spotlight. All I'm sayin.[/quote]
And that's an excuse for not giving them the proper buffs they deserve? Something as asinine over something that happened years ago?
[quote=7mil]It's obvious you're in denial, Nightlords were the best for a while till pirate came out. Then we took over.[/quote]
Pirates came in November of 2008(?), so according to your own reasoning it could not have been six years.
You directly supported what I said without having recognized what was being disputed. Tadaa.
[quote=TheGoatfry]NL's had their time in the spotlight. All I'm sayin.[/quote]
Yes, we did.
We're in a thread reflecting on both the improvements and Nexon's stated reasons for them. That's what you clicked on.
1. Bringing up that NLs were in the spotlight just happens to be irrelevant, and I have explained why.
2. Bringing up that NLs were in the spotlight for six years, on the other hand, just happens to be false, and I have explained why even if it were true, it would still be - you guessed it - irrelevant.
It's really that simple.
[quote=Matrix246]Couldn't have said it much better myself.[/quote]
Don't give me much credit. Just pointing out what shouldn't need to be, after all.
[quote=DogPukeYellow]I practically owned the phase:
http://i.imgur.com/eziUMRh.jpg I'm sure if you'll recall, this claw alone that I had dished out 12b for (plus 2 server transfers) was a defining part of it. I was also the owner of the second or third perfect Scarab (73/12).
http://i.imgur.com/wDEWTez.jpg
So let me get this straight: I was the best equipped NL in my server and one of the highest overall largely owing to a time frame I... apparently don't remember according to you. Alright then.
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It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.[/quote]
Couldn't have said it much better myself.
[quote=DogPukeYellow]I practically owned the phase:
http://i.imgur.com/eziUMRh.jpg I'm sure if you'll recall, this claw alone that I had dished out 12b for (plus 2 server transfers) was a defining part of it. I was also the owner of the second or third perfect Scarab (73/12).
http://i.imgur.com/wDEWTez.jpg
So let me get this straight: I was the best equipped NL in my server and one of the highest overall largely owing to a time frame I... apparently don't remember according to you. Alright then.
---
It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.[/quote]
<yawn>
NL's had their time in the spotlight. All I'm sayin.
[quote=DogPukeYellow]I practically owned the phase:
http://i.imgur.com/eziUMRh.jpg I'm sure if you'll recall, this claw alone that I had dished out 12b for (plus 2 server transfers) was a defining part of it. I was also the owner of the second or third perfect Scarab (73/12).
http://i.imgur.com/wDEWTez.jpg
So let me get this straight: I was the best equipped NL in my server and one of the highest overall largely owing to a time frame I... apparently don't remember according to you. Alright then.
---
It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.[/quote]
It's obvious you're in denial, Nightlords were the best for a while till pirate came out. Then we took over.
[quote=TheCatsHat]Dude, did you just cite your sources in MLA format? In like 6 years, I have literally never seen someone do that on basilmarket.[/quote]
Someone ask me for the reference of where I got the info, so I decided to be cheeky and give a formal reference just for him lol.
Dude, did you just cite your sources in MLA format? In like 6 years, I have literally never seen someone do that on basilmarket.
@TripleBladez: Thank you sir
[quote=GreatRomantic]410%. Big deal. Still doesn't change the fact that more than half of the classes outdamage NLs.[/quote]
[Citation Needed]
I understand it's for people who don't care about funding in second job (which is pretty much all of us) but its still very dumb.
[quote=DogPukeYellow]I practically owned the phase:
http://i.imgur.com/eziUMRh.jpg I'm sure if you'll recall, this claw alone that I had dished out 12b for (plus 2 server transfers) was a defining part of it. I was also the owner of the second or third perfect Scarab (73/12).
http://i.imgur.com/wDEWTez.jpg
So let me get this straight: I was the best equipped NL in my server and one of the highest overall largely owing to a time frame I... apparently don't remember according to you. Alright then.
---
It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.[/quote]
I really do appreciate your enthusiasm towards proper grammar and vast vocabulary but I think its redundant using that type of language in a Maplestory forum where most of the users can't tell the difference between "there" and "their".
[quote=DogPukeYellow]
It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.[/quote]
I don't think most of these people are gonna get what you mean, but I can summarize what you meant.
[quote=TheGoatfry]tbh they had their time in the spotlight. Like 6 years in the spotlight.[/quote]
ive been saying
NLs need to be the best again pls ty luv u nexon bbycakesz.
[quote=prerit007]I guess you don't remember the "dexless sin" phase of maplestory.[/quote]
I practically owned the phase:
http://i.imgur.com/eziUMRh.jpg I'm sure if you'll recall, this claw alone that I had dished out 12b for (plus 2 server transfers) was a defining part of it. I was also the owner of the second or third perfect Scarab (73/12).
http://i.imgur.com/wDEWTez.jpg
So let me get this straight: I was the best equipped NL in my server and one of the highest overall largely owing to a time frame I... apparently don't remember according to you. Alright then.
---
It wasn't six years. But more to the point, even if it was, it would be paltry to invoke that as a reason to blackball us. We had no control over it, so it would be silly of them to dismiss us on the heels of their practices (even more so when they've directly touted and plastered the word "balance" all over).
No one - okay, for the most part - is demanding spotlight, but our expectations are formed organically enough to reflect a whole host of problems we've sustained, using classes that are doing well as measuring sticks. So when someone drags in "spotlight" from the periphery, they're going to have a difficult time utilizing it in a syllogism against the welfare of a class without running into a strawman argument.
It's rather annoying seeing that obtuse appeal rehashed in revamp-related threads everywhere since it doesn't have a single strong bone for contention.
[quote=prerit007]I guess you don't remember the "dexless sin" phase of maplestory.[/quote]
I was unaware that the "dexless sin" phase lasted over 6 years.
[quote=shinZ]i don't get it. are these your words? cause one sentence says their hunting ability is worse due to low damage, and the other sentence says low damage doesn't matter.
i don't see any quotes if you are quoting this from something[/quote]
Updated with the Harvard referencing system (happy lol?)
(Edited out. Ignore.)
i don't get it. are these your words? cause one sentence says their hunting ability is worse due to low damage, and the other sentence says low damage doesn't matter.
i don't see any quotes if you are quoting this from something
[quote=TripleBladez]Pretty bland for a 1.24x increase in Shuriken Burst's damage is all I can say.[/quote]
Hunting ability in every job level except 2nd isn't bad. However, in the case of 2nd Job, their hunting ability is drastically worse, from having low damage.
[quote=TheGoatfry]Like 6 years in the spotlight.[/quote]
Spoken like either someone who gets his information from everyone else or processes it himself while still somehow managing to not have a clue. o.o
[quote=TripleBladez]"Other than 2nd job, the killing speed of NL's isn't that bad". [/quote]
Whew. Mellow.
@IDKsoMuch: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=69528
Wait, where;s the source for this?
[quote=GreatRomantic]410%. Big deal. Still doesn't change the fact that more than half of the classes outdamage NLs.[/quote]
tbh they had their time in the spotlight. Like 6 years in the spotlight.
[quote=DogPukeYellow]Using resources to tweak an obsolete skill? Points for consistency, at least.
[i]"- Other than the second -order level or two hunting speed of the car is not bad if you hunt a significantly lower rate"[/i]
(From Google Translate.)
The hell does that mean?[/quote]
"Other than 2nd job, the killing speed of NL's isn't that bad".
410%. Big deal. Still doesn't change the fact that more than half of the classes outdamage NLs.
Using resources to tweak an obsolete skill? Points for consistency, at least.
[i]"- Other than the second -order level or two hunting speed of the car is not bad if you hunt a significantly lower rate"[/i]
(From Google Translate.)
The hell does that mean?
Pretty bland for a 1.24x increase in Shuriken Burst's damage is all I can say.