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Phantom funding

Hey guys so with RED patch ive decided to make a phantom. I have about 600m to fund it with so what should be my first items? :] all suggestions help!

January 4, 2014

23 Comments • Newest first

mrspike188

I would buy a perfected (with +8s) fafnir cane for 7b. Use the rest to buy %luk gear or merch.

Reply January 5, 2014
xFatalDagger

Sell that damascus of yours for more money, unless it's anviled.

Reply January 5, 2014
NeedPriceChecks

You can pot the Commerci equips with regular potential scrolls (90%s (from Evo, just to be safe) and get Epic Tier instantly.
I currently have a Epic 3l Commerci gloves atm (used special pot scroll from hot time). Cube them if you think it's worth.

Reply January 5, 2014
RoodJood

Yeah the commerci equips are junk, people just use them for looks.

Reply January 5, 2014
ChauSon

@Wubzey really? alright i guess ill just stick to regular thief equips then xD

Reply January 5, 2014
Wubzey

[quote=ChauSon]@Wubzey nono i meant commerci xD seems pretty cheap though compared to empress[/quote]

Whaaaaat, I'm confused, the commerci equips are junk, pretty averages stats and untradeable after use. Normal % luk equips are better

Reply January 5, 2014
ChauSon

@Wubzey nono i meant commerci xD seems pretty cheap though compared to empress

Reply January 5, 2014
Wubzey

@ChauSon: emp set would be better than commerci because it has a set effect. Unless you mean sweet water instead of commerci in which case, sweet water set is probably the second best set after chaos ra.

EDIT: reading the comments above, I think you guys are talking about sweet water, not commerci equips. Just to clarify, commerci equips are given out from the quest line and have no set effect. The sweet water equips drop from trade voyages and have great stats for the 2-4 set effect.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@Wubzey no but im sayin what if i potted them and tried to get %luk on them?

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Spyro

@ChauSon: I have the 4 set effect on my Zero because I don't feel like buying Tyrants/RA, in retrospect it's a pretty cheap alternative with a high range impact... but it's not the best set if you really looked in to it though. If you 15 star your Tyrant shoes and cape, then transposed them on to your Commerci set, that's 2 pieces right there, you lose 60 atk and 60 all stats in total from both, but you gain like 110 atk and almost 200 all stats so you end up gaining about 50 atk, the weapon isn't a loss, simple as that, and the fourth piece is the hat. That leaves you with a top and bottom that you can get from RA for the two piece bonus.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Wubzey

@chauson: commerci equips aren't that great, % luk equips will be better for you

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@spyro do you think commerci equips are good investments later on?

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Wubzey

I'd get an emp cane if you're looking for a weapon because you can transpose to sweet water when you get one. Loveless is limiting because you'd have to sell it if you ever wanted to upgrade.
I still think that with 600m, you're probably better off getting emp, unless you can get more money fairly easily.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Spyro

@ChauSon: No problem. That's my personal experiences, that's how I fund all my mules/noobs. I actually had like 2b recently and decided to fund my Zero and my Drk, so I bought a bunch of 6% str tempest stuff, then started working out to other stuff.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@Spyro alright thanks for all the help ^_^

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Spyro

[quote=ChauSon]@Spyro what about equips after the purple senior stuff? would like pirate top and bottom (lvl 80?90?) be good after that if they had like 9% luk on them?[/quote]

Yes, without a doubt. Top/bottom set is always better than overall. There is no case which overall is superior as of now, not to say it may not change later on with future advancements, with Maple going the direction it's going. I would personally go with Pirate top/bottom because of looks....but ofa isn't bad either. The point is it's a 3rd tier top and bottom set.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@Spyro what about equips after the purple senior stuff? would like pirate top and bottom (lvl 80?90?) be good after that if they had like 9% luk on them?

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Spyro

@ChauSon: Something cheap and effective would be either loveless or empress. They're not overly pricey, and you can toss some 50% +8 atks on there for the time being, even if it's horrible scrolled it's not a bad base attack to hold you off for an endgame.

As the guy above mentioned. % Luk from senior items are good too. That would cover your shoes, hat, overall, and gloves if you don't have any. You can get 4% pretty easy, and 6% if you put in a little effort, and you don't even have to pay for it, just train your character and loot a lot. 4% on another 4 pieces is another 16% luk. That's 50% luk with only like 400m (Depending on price of Tempest items)

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@Wubzey @Spyro whats a good decent weapon i can scroll for the time being until i get something better like fafnir or SweetVVater?

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Wubzey

@ChauSon: ok then, well I'd work on getting a scrolled empress cane so you can upgrade it to sweet water when you have the opportunity. 600m won't get you too far but I think you should be able to get the cane, gloves, shoes, hat, and overall from the emp set and use epic pot scrolls from the red shop on them, or scroll the cane. It might be useful to farm bingo on mules to help with getting more red coins since you don't have much funds atm.

EDIT: if you don't want to go the empress route, you could maybe try to get some purple senior equips with % luk from monster park extreme. Tempest equips are also pretty good, but they seem to be inflating a bit.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Spyro

The best thing to do for any character when you have limited funding is to fund in moderation. 6% luk doesn't seem like a lot but when you buy 5 6% items, it adds up faster. Get 6% tempest items if you don't have better. Tempest ring, shoulder, belt, pendant. That's 24% luk right there which helps tremendously. % earrings are abnormally cheap because of crafting. Especially half earrings, you can get 12% luk earrings for maybe 200m in Nova, probably around that if not cheaper in Bera. That would put you at 36% luk, and already an amazing start.

Not sure what you have from your DB. But just remember, the key is balance. You can have a lot of atk and no % luk and be really weak... or a lot of % luk and no atk and be weak. So make sure you're also working on slowly upgrading your atk while you upgrade your % luk equips.

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
ChauSon

@Wubzey i only have like 6% luk earrings that i could transfer and i do plan to main phantom

Reply January 5, 2014 - edited
Wubzey

I'm guessing you'd have some tradeable equips from your dual blade that you could use so maybe try get a decent cane? If you don't plan on maining it then I'd probably suggest a revolution cane from the red shop with +8 Atk scrolls dropped on it until the slots are used and pray you get lucky.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited