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[quote=twistybrah]@Axnslicer: When you attempt to turn tables around, make sure the person's comments are indirect. Whereas mine were directed to you, hence the tag. Once again, not very smart.
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And here I was hoping you'd finally learned how to use a mirror. Do I really need to guide you through the rest?

[quote=twistybrah]
It's amusing how you only focus on one thing, disregarding the main issue of the OP's post. Oh, you might just think I'm talking about something else.[/quote]

It's equally amusing how you're doing the exactly that, while I'm actually addressing his main point. Seems you need to practice that reading comprehension.

For anyone who's curious, twistybrah thinks the main issue is how empty the FM entrance is. Hint: It's not, though I don't expect twistybrah to figure that out anytime soon.

He's clearly completely ignorant of the status quo, and I don't really feel like taking anything he says seriously until his posts contain actual substance.

@Axnslicer: When you attempt to turn tables around, make sure the person's comments are indirect. Whereas mine were directed to you, hence the tag. Once again, not very smart.

It's amusing how you only focus on one thing, disregarding the main issue of the OP's post. Oh, you might just think I'm talking about something else.

[quote=ltachifire]But I wasn't talking to you either. I did miss the point because I didn't read your post.[/quote]

Oh, you're right. Sorry about that, I thought it was to me because of the nested quote. You're still missing the point though, which is that it's generally faster to search on a website than to use owls.

[quote=Axnslicer]I was not talking to you, and you missed the point. I would like to think it's because you're ignorant, in which case rereading Omniscient's posts should clarify it for you.[/quote]

But I wasn't talking to you either. I did miss the point because I didn't read your post.

@Omniscient1 what part makes it impractical? Owls only costs 10k (or was it 100k?) and are easily accessible through potion shops. I sure find it a lot more practical than the old way of searching through the fm.

[quote=ltachifire]I use owls for merching. And i've made over 45bil. Not exclusively from just using owls but it sure helped.

Personally I enjoy the FM. If it was replaced with something similar to the Grand Exchange i would completely quit. But you know what do needs to come back? MTS.[/quote]

I was not talking to you, and you missed the point. I would like to think it's because you're ignorant, in which case rereading Omniscient's posts should clarify it for you.

@ltachifire: Owls are good it does indeed helped a lot. Though the fact that it doesn't stack and only one time search. Makes merching impractical. At least to me I only use owls for searching for things I absolutely need to find. Idk how the grand exchange is I think it's just an AH? Idk well the AH to me would help the game a lot more than the fm does. The MTS was amazing but hackers had to ruin it like always lol.

Id rather buy an apple or some type of food for $1.80 then buy 10k nx card just to get a shop permit.

[quote=Omniscient1]@Axnslicer: My post make perfect sense. No one uses owls for merching. They don't stack up and only one search per try. Like I said you might as well merch the old way instead of owls. I brought up the trade function only seeing as you brought up the point that AH is not needed. My point was to show you that no market is needed going by your viewpoint. Everything makes it more convenient. Having a fm is better than trade only and having an ah is better than fm system.[/quote]

I use owls for merching. And i've made over 45bil. Not exclusively from just using owls but it sure helped.

Personally I enjoy the FM. If it was replaced with something similar to the Grand Exchange i would completely quit. But you know what do needs to come back? MTS.

@ltachifire: yea something like that.

@Axnslicer well let's agree to disagree then lol.

@Omniscient1: Is it like the grand exchange in Runescape?

[quote=Omniscient1]@Axnslicer: My post make perfect sense. No one uses owls for merching. They don't stack up and only one search per try. Like I said you might as well merch the old way instead of owls. I brought up the trade function only seeing as you brought up the point that AH is not needed. My point was to show you that no market is needed going by your viewpoint. Everything makes it more convenient. Having a fm is better than trade only and having an ah is better than fm system.[/quote]

I did not say your post was nonsensical, it makes perfect sense. It just doesn't apply to reality because almost no one ever uses owls, I should not have to explain this to you. It's true that the FM is better than just trades, and that the AH would probably be better than the FM. However we are not discussing what is "better", but what is "necessary" to make significant mesos, and an AH is clearly not necessary.

[quote=ltachifire]What's an auction house?[/quote]

Things that every other mmo has. It's a market system that allows you to search with ease, put items up and price them. Basically the fm but it's much easier to use and search for things. Look at WoW, guild wars 2, etc they all have auction houses.

What's an auction house?

@Axnslicer: My post make perfect sense. No one uses owls for merching. They don't stack up and only one search per try. Like I said you might as well merch the old way instead of owls. I brought up the trade function only seeing as you brought up the point that AH is not needed. My point was to show you that no market is needed going by your viewpoint. Everything makes it more convenient. Having a fm is better than trade only and having an ah is better than fm system.

[quote=twistybrah]@Axnslicer: Not very smart.[/quote]

Congratulations on attaining self awareness.

@Axnslicer: Not very smart.

[quote=CMPump]@Axnslicer: cool so now you r agreeing that this game is pay to win.[/quote]

In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet. Anything else you would like to add?

[quote=CMPump]
p.s. I'm not saying ur wrong either bud and I also mentioned in my text that an auction house was my first choice but an alternative option would be also be nice
and btw im not dissing ur comments so stop tryin to start an argument. You can keep paying and afk'ing all you want, go ahead mate.[/quote]

Right, so all that whining, and the long wall of text complaining about how the game is impossible without a shop, and why the game is dying because shops aren't free, which I completely disagreed with, is you agreeing with me? I'm pretty sure I disagree with you on your main premise, so the only way that could happen is if you wanted to do a 180 on your central claims.

One more time then, in short, easy to understand sentences.

1. The game is playable without a shop.
2. Shops are cheap and easy to get.
3. An AH would be nice, but is not necessary.

[quote=Omniscient1]@Axnslicer: Owls take one slot per owl. Owls only search one item so if you really want to merch you will need to empty out your use section and fill it with owls. Even then it won't help that much since you will need tons of owls. The Ah will definitely do more than owls will do. Most people use owls mainly to search what items they are looking for. It's too much of an inconvenience to really use owls for merching purposes. You are better off searching all fm rooms and marking things down on a paper than to stock up on owls. Having an AH will definitely deflate prices, promote more competition, and make searching easier for everyone. It isn't necessity true but it will definitely make the economy much better than it is now. Technically no market is need at all really. We have trade and chat function. Which is more than enough to sell our things, but how annoying would that be having to spam and trade constantly?[/quote]

Sees an argment about the inconvenience of owls, stops taking the post seriously. Everything you said effectively does not pertain to reality. There's also no reason for you to bring up an analogy when there's a perfectly good status quo for you to work with. If you want me to respond to your arguments, ground them in reality first.

@SingleFate: Can't post it here that's why it's illegal lol. Need to google search for it. it isn't that hard to find though.

[quote=Omniscient1]
Sure we have that illegal website[/quote]

Tell me more.

The only time I remember a GM talking about the AH was when they were saying that KMS' action house had a lot of technical problems under the hood and should have gone through a lot more testing before being released anywhere.

@Axnslicer: Owls take one slot per owl. Owls only search one item so if you really want to merch you will need to empty out your use section and fill it with owls. Even then it won't help that much since you will need tons of owls. The Ah will definitely do more than owls will do. Most people use owls mainly to search what items they are looking for. It's too much of an inconvenience to really use owls for merching purposes. You are better off searching all fm rooms and marking things down on a paper than to stock up on owls. Having an AH will definitely deflate prices, promote more competition, and make searching easier for everyone. It isn't necessity true but it will definitely make the economy much better than it is now. Technically no market is needed at all really. We have trade and chat function. Which is more than enough to sell our things, but how annoying would that be having to spam and trade constantly?

@Axnslicer: cool so now you r agreeing that this game is pay to win. unfortunately most people dislikes play to win which affects the population of ms. Look at it now. Is there alot of people on ms or does it tend to be much less crowded?
p.s. I'm not saying ur wrong either bud and I also mentioned in my text that an auction house was my first choice but an alternative option would be also be nice
and btw im not dissing ur comments so stop tryin to start an argument. You can keep paying and afk'ing all you want, go ahead mate.

[quote=0o0Abbadon0o0]I see where you're coming from, and while I agree that you don't NEED to have an Auction House/Trading Post type of system for players to make money it certainly does hurt the game that it requires a large amount of time to be spent on merching. I'm personally a little drained having to fight after every scheduled and unscheduled server check/patch to get a decent spot in the FM (which is still oddly relevant even with the illegal site we all know and love). And while it is indeed very easy to just leave your computer running all day with a permit somewhere in the fm, most players don't like not having the option to still do other things in the game. Every other big MMO on the market has an Auction House/Trading Post type system and they're constantly growing games, whereas contrasted with Maplestory which is just losing players.

Just to clarify not bashing on you or your opinions, my real point is just that while the players don't NEED a better way to sell their things it hurts the game and the community as a whole because it doesn't.[/quote]

FM position isn't really that important anymore with all the free owls, but for some reason people still race for FM 1-6 spots. You and I basically agree, we're just discussing the opposite sides of the same conclusion.

You actually don't need to spend much effort merching at all. It's perfectly possible to play the game unfunded. You can fight any boss in the game with less than 200k range, though there's no guarantee you'll win. People choose their own goals, if you want to be able to solo Hell Gollux without spending real money, of course you're going to spend more time merching than if you just want to be able to beat Easy Gollux. Also, correlation does not imply causation, a fact which a number of people seem to be forgetting in this thread.

[quote=Omniscient1]@Axnslicer: Well with how high the prices are an AH is definitely needed. We need under cutters so prices can deflate. You still need a minimum of 2b mesos to buy anything worthwhile in this game That's just not right. Yes, you can make mesos still but with the free market it's still much harder since people take advantage of the fact that they can basically put any thing up for w/e price they want to. Since people are most likely not going to waste time carrying owls searching every single item, or look through that website to merch through. The fact that merching takes hours of your day is definitely not right. It shouldn't be a job that you have to do just to sell some gear Also the fact about shops you need to afk for. Yes, you can do it when you're not going be playing but what if people want to turn off the pc? What if the power goes out? What if dc hackers dc hack you? With an AH you don't have to worry about any of those. Trust me an AH will put the economy in much better shape than it is now.[/quote]

You're being overly optimistic about the effect an AH would have on the economy. Much of what the AH was promised to do, deflate items, promote competition, make pricing easier, is already handled by free owls. If we didn't have free owls, I would be much more inclined to agree with you, but we do, so your point falls pretty flat. If people aren't willing to spend a few seconds searching for an item, then they can deal with potentially mispricing it.

[quote=twistybrah]@Axnslicer you should read whole thing instead of shop part. The main issue is spamming in FM and there are not much people in FM to see your spam. AH solves this issue. Reading is fundamental as is comprehension.[/quote]

You should read the whole thing instead of jumping to conclusions by overlaying your general understanding. Reading is fundamental as is comprehension.

[quote=CMPump]
Again I repeat my point; having shops is the ONLY WAY of becoming a successful player in MS right now and this needs to be changed in order for people to come back due to convenience and better quality of the game.
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The main issue is you're too poor to afford a shop. Or more accurately, you're too lazy to buy one.

The others bring up valid points, and it's almost universally agreed that an auction house system would be better for the game, but there's a difference between that and it being necessary.

@Axnslicer: Well with how high the prices are an AH is definitely needed. We need under cutters so prices can deflate. You still need a minimum of 2b mesos to buy anything worthwhile in this game That's just not right. Yes, you can make mesos still but with the free market it's still much harder since people take advantage of the fact that they can basically put any thing up for w/e price they want to. Since people are most likely not going to waste time carrying owls searching every single item, or look through that website to merch through. The fact that merching takes hours of your day is definitely not right. It shouldn't be a job that you have to do just to sell some gear Also the fact about shops you need to afk for. Yes, you can do it when you're not going be playing but what if people want to turn off the pc? What if the power goes out? What if dc hackers dc hack you? With an AH you don't have to worry about any of those. Trust me an AH will put the economy in much better shape than it is now.

[quote=Axnslicer]You're giving the OP too much credit, he's just whining about having to spend 1.8k NX. It's like a beginner whining about doing terrible damage because they're too lazy to job advance.

Let me clarify, I'm not against an auction house. I actually don't like the system where we have to pay NX for shops and would much prefer we have one. However, an AH is not necessary to make significant mesos in this game, and it appears your best argument for why we need one is "it's more convenient". Convenience =/= Necessity.

AFK when you're not playing, or just leave MS running in the background while you do other things.[/quote]

I see where you're coming from, and while I agree that you don't NEED to have an Auction House/Trading Post type of system for players to make money it certainly does hurt the game that it requires a large amount of time to be spent on merching. I'm personally a little drained having to fight after every scheduled and unscheduled server check/patch to get a decent spot in the FM (which is still oddly relevant even with the illegal site we all know and love). And while it is indeed very easy to just leave your computer running all day with a permit somewhere in the fm, most players don't like not having the option to still do other things in the game. Every other big MMO on the market has an Auction House/Trading Post type system and they're constantly growing games, whereas contrasted with Maplestory which is just losing players.

Just to clarify not bashing on you or your opinions, my real point is just that while the players don't NEED a better way to sell their things it hurts the game and the community as a whole because it doesn't.

I wish McDonalds would bring back the Dollar Menu.

@Axnslicer you should read whole thing instead of shop part. The main issue is spamming in FM and there are not much people in FM to see your spam. AH solves this issue. Reading is fundamental as is comprehension.

[quote=Omniscient1]I don't think he would ban people for bringing up that topic lmao. The lasts posts about the Ah was about how it's still being looked into. Unless people start saying something horrible or something he shouldn't be banning players just to bring up a topic like that for no reason.

@Axnslicer It's not about 1.8k nx. It's about the convenience. Sure we have that illegal website and owls to utilize but having an AH would definitely make the game much more enjoyable and easier to find things. Plus deflation will happen and that is very much needed for some of the stuff. The ability to search things through game with ease is very nice. Not having to have all your item spaces taken up with owls or having to put your game in window mode just to check the prices on that site. This is one reason why i am looking forward to MS2. They will have an AH system which is much better than a free market. The only people who do not want a AH are merchants who are misleading people off there profits or very rich people who take advantage of monopolizing the market.[/quote]

You're giving the OP too much credit, he's just whining about having to spend 1.8k NX. It's like a beginner whining about doing terrible damage because they're too lazy to job advance.

Let me clarify, I'm not against an auction house. I actually don't like the system where we have to pay NX for shops and would much prefer we have one. However, an AH is not necessary to make significant mesos in this game, and it appears your best argument for why we need one is "it's more convenient". Convenience =/= Necessity.

[quote=CMPump]And the time it takes to afk and leave the shop up. while you can't train or do anything else... why not have an auction house like alot of games?[/quote]

AFK when you're not playing, or just leave MS running in the background while you do other things.

[quote=Omniscient1]I don't think he would ban people for bringing up that topic lmao. The lasts posts about the Ah was about how it's still being looked into. Unless people start saying something horrible or something he shouldn't be banning players just to bring up a topic like that for no reason.

@Axnslicer It's not about 1.8k nx. It's about the convenience. Sure we have that illegal website and owls to utilize but having an AH would definitely make the game much more enjoyable and easier to find things. Plus deflation will happen and that is very much needed for some of the stuff. The ability to search things through game with ease is very nice. Not having to have all your item spaces taken up with owls or having to put your game in window mode just to check the prices on that site. This is one reason why i am looking forward to MS2. They will have an AH system which is much better than a free market. The only people who do not want a AH are merchants who are misleading people off there profits or very rich people who take advantage of monopolizing the market.[/quote]
Youre right. He wouldnt do that. They were a lot of kids groaning about SAO not being real content and got into arguments with some of them but he didn't ban them and said they were entitled to their own opinion. He's a good guy. He would hear us out and probably report it to the team.

@Omniscient1: Naw, he does do that.

[quote=Axnslicer]So, this entire rant is over something which costs 1.8k NX? Are you really that poor? In the time it took you to type this up, you could have already earned that much.[/quote]

And the time it takes to afk and leave the shop up. while you can't train or do anything else... why not have an auction house like alot of games?

[quote=GazimoEnthra]@Omniscient1: He bans people who bring it up consistently. Not much more proof needed. Also hard to give evidence since he also deletes the posts afterwards.[/quote]

I don't think he would ban people for bringing up that topic lmao. The lasts posts about the Ah was about how it's still being looked into. Unless people start saying something horrible or something he shouldn't be banning players just to bring up a topic like that for no reason.

@Axnslicer It's not about 1.8k nx. It's about the convenience. Sure we have that illegal website and owls to utilize but having an AH would definitely make the game much more enjoyable and easier to find things. Plus deflation will happen and that is very much needed for some of the stuff. The ability to search things through game with ease is very nice. Not having to have all your item spaces taken up with owls or having to put your game in window mode just to check the prices on that site. This is one reason why i am looking forward to MS2. They will have an AH system which is much better than a free market. The only people who do not want a AH are merchants who are misleading people off there profits or very rich people who take advantage of monopolizing the market.

[quote=CMPump]Hi Nexon.

I was wondering what happened to the auction house. I know Nexon has decided not to go on with the auction house but this is something that needs to be reconsidered.
It is quite obvious that Nexon is losing the number of players in MS. Most of my friends and I that plat MS have personally quit MS due to the time it takes up. This time, isn't time of gameplay. It is the time spent on spamming in the FM just to earn some money to fund myself which barely works. You might be thinking, if you don't have the time, buy an fm shop. Easy right? Yeah, it's always easy when money is NEEDED to actually become successful in a game...

Maplestory is a "free to play" game. Let this game actually be free to play. Sure, buying nx can give a great advantage towards players by allowing them to buy teleport rocks, hammers, protection and cubes. One can make a cube in the game and giving nx buyers the advantage of having many more cubes is reasonable, as long as non paying players can get it too. However, by having no means of selling items, apart from spamming in a place where there is only twenty people is a disadvantage that is so great that without nx fm shops, players will not be able to fund themselves... This is the reason why so many people are quitting ms. It is a great game, but people with shops are the ones getting money and the people without shops are quickly realising that they don't have time to spam and they do not have the money to spend money on things like shops. Again I repeat my point; having shops is the ONLY WAY of becoming a successful player in MS right now and this needs to be changed in order for people to come back due to convenience and better quality of the game.

This is where my suggestion comes in. An auction house is what many people actually want. Possible ways you could make money while still having auction houses is by giving everyone a chance to sell a limited of items at once and give the chance to extend those item selling slots so that NX buyers are able to sell more than non NX buyers. For example, people that would like to sell without paying can only sell a maximum of 7 different items per at any given moment and people that go to the cash shop and buy an auction house extension ticket are able to sell a maximum of 20 different items (this ticket could last 1 week, 90 days and so on). This allows everyone to be able to get proper in mesos in maple while giving NX buyers the advantage.

Putting in the effort to sell items and earn money just to catch up should not be the main focus of a game like Maplestory where the story and fighting is important. However for many people, selling items just to catch up to shop owners is their main focus when playing MS. While this is the key focus for most people in the game, this approach to making money is impossible right now. A few mesos can be earned but for it to have any impact on gameplay, it is too small of an amount which pretty much shows that without shops, maple cannot be enjoyed to the full extent. This means that no matter what is being done to try and change the pay to win image, it cannot be done if something is not done about not being able to sell anything to anyone. Nexon, I hope MS really becomes a game that is free to play and free to win someday. All I am saying is, customers want to be able to play the game without spending time on a goal that is nearly impossible to reach. As a conclusion, all I want to say is give everyone the opportunity while giving NX players the advantage instead of making it impossible for non payers. My personal opinion is that NX should be used for apprearance purposes and personal preferences of the avatar and some things like the tele rock, instead of making NX play a huge role in the game.

Thank you for reading my message
Kind Regards[/quote]

So, this entire rant is over something which costs 1.8k NX? Are you really that poor? In the time it took you to type this up, you could have already earned that much.

Everything you said is invalid, you just don't know how the game works.

You do brush on some valid topics like the degree of free to play in MS and whether the focus of MS should be on making mesos, but it's tangential to your main point, which is simply that you're too poor to afford 1.8k NX.

@Omniscient1: He bans people who bring it up consistently. Not much more proof needed. Also hard to give evidence since he also deletes the posts afterwards.

[quote=GazimoEnthra]They're not bringing it. CM Artasi has already made it clear that Nexon won't have this in GMS.

Profits > players.[/quote]

proof? I haven't seen any of that on the forum. All i read was that they are still working on it.

[quote=GazimoEnthra]They're not bringing it. CM Artasi has already made it clear that Nexon won't have this in GMS.

Profits > players.[/quote]

What? He said that? When?

They're not bringing it. CM Artasi has already made it clear that Nexon won't have this in GMS.

Profits > players.