Jetts vs Cannoneers? I think they are both fun to play and both are very mobile classes.
Jetts feedback I think jetts deserve more attention from nexon. After the jett revamp, I feel jetts to be a close range pirate class and they are pretty tanky (a lot of hp). So far, I consider jetts to have the most usefull mobility skills in the game and can avoid a lot of attacks from bosses if you use it correctly. In term of experience with Jetts, I have played before the revamp and main one after the revamp. I solo CRA, hard magnus and hellux weekly. I didn't hear (of what I know) of a jett other than me to have soloed Chaos Vellum (I will record a run someday). Is that make jetts strong? Not really, I am really funded.
Cannoneer feedback Love how many summons they can do and the mobility of the class. Cannoneers are rare, but you can see a lot of phantoms stealing his main mobbing attack skill. They are stronger than jetts with the same funding (range appears higher, for range lovers) and they have a really good end game potential with their hyper that reduce their dmg to 40% x 3 lines. Another thing that most of people forget about is the attack speed. They might be slow at first, but if you are serious to fund a cannoneer, you can attack pretty fast later on, where jett is limited by his "rapid fire/hurricane" move.
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I read a few comments but lol... He has no support from others. XD @collo123 Not sure if you were expecting this by making this thread. I play this game for the fun. I can't compare jobs into details like many other people can do. I play thief class mainly and the pirate class is probably my least fun class. If I had to choose between a Jett or a Cannoneer, I would pick Cannoneer. I prefer the skills they have.
@Completes: :"Making me a no life because I play this game for 6 and a half hours a week? How does that make any sense, not all of us are Jetts that have to spent 1 hour per boss. And, yes I played characters as they came out in the past and leveled them to 200, only takes me about 4 hours now when I actually try to level, so I guess spending 4 hours of my life to level to 200 makes me a no life :c FML wish I could buy a life.. And now calling me a hacker because I have outdone you in every category" My quote said either you were a no life or UNLESS key word was unless, learn to read. It is referring to one or the other. You claim I have down syndrome yet you can't even read a full sentence and then proceed to make up an entire paragraph about it. Do you understand what a carbon copy is? You keep throwing that term around then saying yes I admit that they had different skills. Your contradicting your own points. Congrats on yourself to being the dumbest person (you character is a girl but I am going to assume your a boy who's either in denial about his masculinity or your just that weird). Now bosses barely took me any time at all. As I had said I had figured out how to do them and my range was that comparable to those of top in YMCK. You had said repeatedly that I claimed Jett was the best class twice now which I never stated. That is twisting points. All I have been doing is defending the class from carbon copy idiots like yourself who walk into a forum and say Jett ripped of Sair but worse which is annoying and wrong considering Jett is better then Sair at mobbing and mobility now and bossing I will give Sair the edge in. I am looking forward to returning one day so I can meet more idiots like you in this game. It's fun seeing how stupid the community still is and how arrogant, ignorant and self righteous some people are when they are completely wrong. Though I do realize some people are just past the point of no return in stupidity. textAgain just in case you missed it. All I have been doing is showing that no Jetts are not carbon copies of Sair, never were once. All that ever was was a 4th job when they came out. And also your hypocrisy in saying one class is better then another because the latter stole skills is pure hypocrisy considering every class has stolen near the same amount of content. I have never once said its the best class in the game nor is it overall better then a cannon.(mobility yes, damage and mobbing no as I stated above but I'm sure you didn't read that since you can't read more then 10 words in seems) Aight peace moron, this is pointless.text
[quote=JasGuilty] Again you missed the point. Not once have I said Jett > Cannon or any class so congrats on being an idiot once again creating false points. And to your point about never killing any of those bosses rofl, you really dont know a thing considering I did before I quit quite often. Bossing was the only thing I would log on to do for awhile. Only thing I said about mobility was Jetts are better then Cannons at mobility which the other idiot tried to say was wrong, not once did I say mobility makes it the best class, so again congrats on twisting more points to create points I never said. Your really bad at this. Congrats on killing every boss 4 times a week, have a life much? 200 of every class in the game? I guess that answered that question unless your nothing but a pathetic hacker in that case it might make up how an idiot like you can kill every boss in the game without having to move. And yea 3rd place 200 got banned from hacking making me 3rd place. Wow your really smart. All you had to do is look at rankings and there I was but nope. Please keep trying try hard your starting to amuse me. [/quote] So, why the hell are you talking? Are you this wanting to hear yourself type and prove nothing to anyone besides the point that you are one of the dumbest person I've ever met on this website? Cause if so, job accomplished. Please stay quit, and never come back to the game, you are the type of people that make the community awful. No one twisted any points, besides you by taking a small portion of my text and choosing to quote it in an attempt to make me look dumb. Yeah, I spend about 3 hours a week bossing weekly bosses, and about thirty minutes a day doing Hellux; what's your point? Making me a no life because I play this game for 6 and a half hours a week? How does that make any sense, not all of us are Jetts that have to spent 1 hour per boss. And, yes I played characters as they came out in the past and leveled them to 200, only takes me about 4 hours now when I actually try to level, so I guess spending 4 hours of my life to level to 200 makes me a no life :c FML wish I could buy a life.. And now calling me a hacker because I have outdone you in every category and made you look stupid and all you are doing here is personal attacks, but hey who cares really? Seriously, I am still waiting on the answer from you. How rough has life been living with down syndrome for so long?
[quote=JasGuilty]also @Completes "Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one." Please stop making up false points you claim to say. First you say this then you say you were only talking about Bossing. Choose your words wisely. Your just as bad as the last guy making up stuff once someone else calls you out.[/quote] Are you seriously this stupid? You are taking one tiny quote and then making all sorts of assumptions. As I've said, since the release Jetts have been a carbon copy of Corsairs and sure there were some Buccaneer skills thrown in (I admitted that previously but you just choose to forgo that information cause you can't read it seems). And, as I've been saying my last two posts Jetts since their revamp have had their bossing style as a complete rip-off of Corsairs. I never once said the entire time that I was exclusively talking about bossing, just in their most recent revamp. I don't know how you can be so ignorant. You're the one who doesn't read as I've done nothing but shown valid points that you ignore and then talk about useless things just to try and prove a point that you have no point to prove and are just here because your life is pathetic and you have nothing better to do with it besides go on an online forum for an online game just to try and act superior since your life is just full of you being pushed around as a child probably so you try to come on here to act tough, but hey I don't mind I'll just wait for the usual small person comeback of you telling me to find you in real life, and to that I'll simply ask your address and gladly accept your offer. So, unless you truly are just a little b that you type and act like, please learn to read and stop thinking you're worth anything, because in reality you aren't.
@Completes: "You are the one who is doing nothing but saying his class is the greatest thing since sliced bread." Again you missed the point. Not once have I said Jett > Cannon or any class so congrats on being an idiot once again creating false points. And to your point about never killing any of those bosses rofl, you really dont know a thing considering I did before I quit quite often. Bossing was the only thing I would log on to do for awhile. Only thing I said about mobility was Jetts are better then Cannons at mobility which the other idiot tried to say was wrong, not once did I say mobility makes it the best class, so again congrats on twisting more points to create points I never said. Your really bad at this. Congrats on killing every boss 4 times a week, have a life much? 200 of every class in the game? I guess that answered that question unless your nothing but a pathetic hacker in that case it might make up how an idiot like you can kill every boss in the game without having to move. And yea 3rd place 200 got banned from hacking making me 3rd place. Wow your really smart. All you had to do is look at rankings and there I was but nope. Please keep trying try hard your starting to amuse me.
also @Completes "Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one." Please stop making up false points you claim to say. First you say this then you say you were only talking about Bossing. Choose your words wisely. Your just as bad as the last guy making up stuff once someone else calls you out.
@JasGuilty: The 3rd person to hit 200 on a Jett got banned, so Congrats on your ban; unless you are lying about that. Congrats on being the best Cannoneer in YMCK and trading down to a worse class. Congrats on having a bucc/sair, kanna, and other 12x-15x. I personally have a level 200 or higher of every class in the game, but this isn't a contest is it? Jett's playstyle for bossing is a rip off of Corsair, even after their latest patch is what I said, if you could pull your head out of your Jett sniffing ass and read what I said, you would have seen that I was saying you use Rapid Fire, then use your Hyper. The exact same bossing function that a Corsair does, using Rapid Fire until Snipe is off cooldown. You are the one who is doing nothing but saying his class is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've played my Jett past one day and since the revamp, they move differently and they have different mobbing abilities; but as for people with down syndrome, such as yourself, let me make this abundantly clear as saying so perfectly clear in my last post was not good enough for you, and neither was the last few sentences that I posted for you. Jett's bossing style is an exact copy of Corsair bossing style of a Rapid Fire and Snipe-like attack between Rapid Fire. If you took the time to actually read what people say and not just think you know everything, maybe you would actually see what people have been saying, as I have already said that Jett copied both Corsair and Buccaneer in a previous post, but I can't do research because of that? Research of what? Looking at my Buccaneer skills and a Jett's skills? I've done so already and looked them up and am well aware of how the class has stolen from other classes. If you'd like to do some research of your own, research what I've already said in this thread and stop putting words in my mouth trying to say I don't know anything because you clearly don't know how to read. If you want me to do any research, at least learn to read what has been said and make actual responses to things, instead of your usual way of just trying to argue about things you are clearly wrong about. Mobility is not needed for any boss, are you even able to kill any bosses? Since when does moving across the map help you at all in any boss? Magnus? Cra? Cvellum? Anything? Do you kill any of these bosses? Because I kill them on 4 different characters every week and mobility between classes makes no difference on the ability to kill, just the damage output. Please tell me one boss where being able to move slightly more faster to the other side of the map will ever make a difference. Please don't say queen, because you can literally walk slightly to her side and avoid the flames. And don't say Cvellum to avoid the blast because every class can get to the other side without hassle. Mobility has almost no effect on any bossing, it makes a few things easier but has no effect on the overall ability to do a boss. The fact that you are trying to say anything after thinking Jetts are better because of their mobility makes you lose all credibility to everyone. Congrats on "out DPSing" every Corsair and Cannoneer in YMCK, just means there probably wasn't any other ones besides you, as they are known for being the dead classes. Not really anything to brag about since it can't even be proved. Congrats again on the ability to KS people, which in the first place isn't a very good thing to do, and secondly isn't hard to do for any class. Why don't you world transfer to any of the GAZED alliance servers and try to KS me? I would gladly put you in your place both here in this thread and in game. Yup, any class can be good when you're not a moron (or even when you use the right you're and not your), sadly for you you are a moron, who probably only moved to Jett because he was tired of being somewhat slow and thought that he'd be a lot better on a new class and refuses to change because he is stubborn and has no competition for anyone being stronger than him in his class since nobody wants to play a Jett. I mean at least you're probably pretty popular in your server for being 150+ right now. Thank you Nexon for that event for making Jetts finally have a use in this game, even if just a small one.
@Completes:Congrats at being 6th, I was 3rd and played the class for more then a day. I was also best Cannon in YMCK until Jett was realesed. Also have a 18x Bucc/Sair, and 19x Kanna, atleast 12x -15x of every class in the game. To say Jett is a rip off of a Sair after their latest patch? Do you live under a rock or are just that thick headed. Please take a look at the new play style idiot. I never once said my class didn't steal skills, I admitted it multiple times and even new Jett stole from TB, Bucc, Xenon/DB, Sair. Jett is NOT a complete ripoff of Sair and never was. When Jett was first released 1st and 2nd job were Bucc based and with 3rd leaning more towards Sair and 4th being more Sair. Even their Hypers was Bucc hyper attack and Sairs buff. If you ever took the time to break down the skills from 1-4 job you woulda realized it was 50% both classes but I guess your just someone who never actually does any research. Your the same idiot who said mobility isn't needed for bossing when it clearly is needed for harder bosses then Zakum and Horntail. The fact you try to say something after that makes me laugh because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Btw my awful choice on Jett out DPSd every Sair and Cannon in YMCK when I played. I could KS any one of them anywhere. Any class can be good when your not a moron
It doesn't. P2S Lol jasguilty you are only making yourself look worse. There's really no point in arguing semantics when the basis of your argument was never there in the first place. Pretty entertaining to see when any argument devolves in dictionary citations though.
[quote=JasGuilty]@SnailPresident: Synonym of literally is exactly[/quote] Weird: Odd, Bizarre Awful: Very bad, horrible Yet they are synonyms, but are completely different... seriously dude you literally do have down syndrome don't you.. like I don't comprehend how stupid you can be.. Source: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/weird Just because something is listed as a synonym doesn't mean that they mean the exact same thing, it just means that they are slightly similiar in definitions. Unless you think that your "weird" obsession with the Jett class is "awful". But, according to you, synonyms mean that words are the exact choice, so goodluck with your "awful" choice on the class Jett.
[quote=JasGuilty]Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth. [/quote] Look at my characters, Jett level 200, Cannoneer level 200. Check legendary rankings, i was 6th 200 Jett in all of GMS, and I am here telling you that you are wrong. It's not just one person here who thinks that you are completely and blatantly stupid. I am here to say I have played both characters, Jett is STILL a copy of corsair. You spam rapid fire and when your hyper is up you use it to attack then go back to rapid fire; Corsairs use rapid fire until their snipe is up and then use that and go back to using rapid fire. It's literally a copy of Corsairs, even after the revamp; the only difference is skill animations and the skills you get for mobbing and lower jobs. Bossing-wise, it is an exact copy of a Corsair playstyle. You're just a bias dumbass who thinks that his class is the best of everyone else's and doesn't see the truth that is literally right before him. I've played Cannoneer and Mechanic, both classes are completely different in their playstyles, besides the fact they both have a laser, like seiously by that logic, Mihile uses a sword that shoots a laser so it's copying Mechanic too. Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one. While looking at Cannoneers, they have a unique weapon, unique up jump (that Corsairs later got a similar version of).
[quote=JasGuilty]SO ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST. [/quote] So, one last time for you. To try and say another class stole skills when your class is made up of nothing but stolen skills is hypocritical as hell. You don't realize that the person you're talking to is only speaking of Cannoneers because of the thread title, they aren't that person's main choice class, while yours is Jett. Like, good for you on you being original and the only person in the world who plays a Jett as a main, since they are inferior to almost every other class. The bias that you hold literally makes me do this </3 Take it from someone who has all of the classes behind talked about here (Corsair, Jett, Cannoneer, Mechanic), Jett is a complete ripoff of Corsair while Cannoneer just has a few similarities with Mechanic. You can continue acting this way with you bias and making yourself look foolish, but you are just making me laugh with these things that you are posting.
If you reply in a paragraph like that again, I'm done. Maybe you don't understand quoting but at least separate into paragraphs. I'm not reading another wall of text.
[quote=JasGuilty]Synonym of literally is exactly. Another thing I had to type for you since your too ignorant to accept the fact that you were wrong. [/quote] So what? Literally is also an antonym of exactly. According to merriam-hallelujah-webster. GOOD DAY SIR. YOU LOSE.
[quote=JasGuilty]Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept[/quote] You never gave exact dates either? GG I said that BATTLESHIP was older than both. I've reminded you twice now. Go back and reread our discussion. I didn't need exact dates because the only information necessary to keep you replying was which class came / was announced first. And apparently even that information doesn't seem to be sinking in since you STILL think I said cannon master predated mech. Are you incapable of following along without dates?
[quote=JasGuilty]and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth. [/quote] You've conceded all your previous points. I havent conceded any. I wonder if it's because I'm stubborn or I'm right.
The absence of facts is because as it so happens, 99% of this thread was nothing more than poking holes in your half baked logic. If you want more clever responses, say something clever.
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[quote=JasGuilty] ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST.[/quote]
@SnailPresident: Synonym of literally is exactly. Another thing I had to type for you since your too ignorant to accept the fact that you were wrong. Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth.
SO ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST.
Assuming both classes are at speed cap (Fastest 2), have all passive Hypers that affect their main attacks, and attacking one target with 0% defense, here's JoeTang's %/s values:
Cannoneers: 16156%/s (18107%/s with Sharp Eyes) [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=50830&page=22](Source: Post #440)[/url] Jetts: ?%/s
Unfortunately, JoeTang didn't do (up-to-date) calculations for classes that are in GMS, but not in KMS, which includes Hayato, Kanna, Beast Tamer, and Jett. Which is why [b]I'm curious...[/b] What is Jett's DPS in %/s with the following skills? [*]Starforce Salvo + Strikeforce Showdown (keydown only; [b]Are Planet Buster and Singularity Shock beneficial to DPS?[/b]) [*]Backup Beatdown (keydown) [*]Backup Beatdown (spam)
[url=http://maplearchive.com/skill-wp.php?book=572]MapleArchive[/url] has the skill delays for all of Jett's skills for a reference, in 2 pages.
However, there are still some unlisted things. These are: [*] Backup Beatdown's finishing/spam attack deals 800% damage per line (and has a 450ms delay) [*] Singularity Shock has a 100% crit rate and a 7 second cooldown time [*] Planet Buster has a 5 second cooldown time
Sure, %/s is moot when you start capping, but not everyone can reach the damage cap.
I main a jett because I like that it's a rare class, and I enjoy the play style. By no means would I bother to explain how they have AMAZING damage, because they don't. Don't get me wrong though, they have pretty good bossing dps, but they don't exactly excel in any set category. In terms of superior damage with the same amount of funding, I am almost certain that cannoneers win. Would I ever choose a cannoneer over my jett? Hell no. It's all just personal preference.
[quote=JasGuilty]Look up a synonym, you did not mention that at all. And congrats I've done the test which prove Jett is more mobile, so have others, congrats at your stupidity for being unable to read what I posted. Jett has far superior mobility in terms of base and skills meaning it is more mobile.[/quote] Why should I list a synonym? I know what the word subjective means.
THE test? No. YOUR test. Which is not recognized or accepted by anyone. You've proven nothing except you know how to waste your time.
How's this for a test: I say without any doubt in my mind that Bishop is the most mobile class in the game (joking). You of course tell me I'm full of steaming excrement and list all the reasons why other things are better than mage teleport (Evan alone has tele AND glide). Though no matter how many reasons you list, your conclusion will never be a fact because it is inherently your opinion. Just because you looked at the evidence and decided for yourself, doesn't mean that anything is [i]proven.[/i]
[quote=JasGuilty]key word, HAD, Jett is no longer a carbon copy yet you state it is.[/quote] We both did when we agreed it's a Zen rip two posts ago. Try to keep up. [quote=JasGuilty]All those skills are direct copies? I didn't think it needed to be stated. You really need everything to be spoon fed to you don't you?[/quote] Actually I'm more of a chopstick fan. [quote=JasGuilty]Jett shares CS with explorers, and starts in Vic Island? Does that mean its an Explorer? By your definition it is. Your forgot to mention about resistance having those skills? Was it too much for you to remember?[/quote] Not a definition. Premises to a conclusion. Show me your gold maple leaf emblem, please. Oh, what? You don't have one? Oh that's right! They're only for [i]explorers![/i] [quote=JasGuilty]Yes,, but when you claim it is a fact like you stated multiple times, the term used for that is an incorrect fact. It's an oxymoron. Please stay in school. The reason I actually looked at this thread was to see how biased and uneducated the maple community still is. Congrats you are the dumbest online community out there. Very uneducated. Yes because the only way to prove something is through experience something I doubt you have done yet I have multiple times.[/quote] Only with your IQ dragging down our average. I've given plenty of factual information, if that qualifies as proof. Though it's true that so much of my time is dedicated to correcting your logic that it does feel like I haven't been posting as many facts as I would have liked. I honestly love how colorful your insults are. Tell me, do you always insult people to compensate when you're wrong? You have no idea just how entertaining you really are.
I have both a Cannoneer and a Jett and I can say for sure that Cannoneers are better. The issue with Jetts is that their skills don't work well with their design. In terms of mobbing, one of the biggest draws for Jetts is their absurd movement and speed, but the 4th job mobbing move forces you to move at 100% speed without the ability to jump and only hitting a little bit in front of you. It also takes like a full second to stop using the skill, so you can't just quickly stop, move up to another platform, and start attacking again. In terms of bossing, one of the draws for Jetts is the fact that they're a ranged class, and to their credit, Starforce Salvo and their signature ability work well together, there's a 2% chance of a lot of damage being done and it's really nice when it happens. The issue is with the Hyper Skill, which is a 1v1 move with a short cooldown (probably around 8 seconds), but the range is obnoxiously short and it takes a while to use the skill. This means that, if you want to maximize your damage, you have to stay close to bosses, or else forego your lvl 170 Hyper skill and just fire away with Salvo. Also the descriptions for a lot of the Jett skills are unfinished. At least 3 skills have cooldowns that aren't listed anywhere on the skill itself. While that doesn't really have an effect on the training itself since you figure out the approximate cooldown times yourself, it's still annoying and sloppy. I like my Jett, don't get me wrong, it's fun to zoom around, even if that skill is really hard to handle correctly, and Cosmic Upheaval is a really interesting skill on the off chance that it actually functions, but the broken gameplay is annoying to the point where I can't put them above Cannoneers.
@SnailPresident: Look up a synonym, you did not mention that at all. And congrats I've done the test which prove Jett is more mobile, so have others, congrats at your stupidity for being unable to read what I posted. Jett has far superior mobility in terms of base and skills meaning it is more mobile. Key word, HAD, Jett is no longer a carbon copy yet you state it is. All those skills are direct copies? I didn't think it needed to be stated. You really need everything to be spoon fed to you don't you? Jett shares CS with explorers, and starts in Vic Island? Does that mean its an Explorer? By your definition it is. Your forgot to mention about resistance having those skills? Was it too much for you to remember? Yes, but when you claim it is a fact like you stated multiple times, the term used for that is an incorrect fact. It's an oxymoron. Please stay in school. The reason I actually looked at this thread was to see how biased and uneducated the maple community still is. Congrats you are the dumbest online community out there. Very uneducated. Yes because the only way to prove something is through experience something I doubt you have done yet I have multiple times. As well you started off by saying Mech's stole laser from Cannon and tried to defend it multiple times initially by saying Cannons predated Mechs. You have given no concrete evidence (what evidence you did say was easily proven wrong) aside from a websters dictionary link to give a definition of the word Literally in which you then did not even bother to say what a synonym is.
@Completes: How long have you lived being a downie? Ain't no claim to fame at all but rather pointing out the hypocrisy in everyone's thinking that Jett is a bad class BECAUSE it stole skills. Also btw, damage and range is determined by funding, and I don't think I met a Cannon in YMCK that could out damage me, out ks me out anything me so why bother with a pointless response in which your input did not contribute at all but a waste of everyone's time. Please do finish school, you need all the help you can get when trying to talk in a debate because you clearly missed my point by a long shot. 1) Mobility is actually a huge part of bossing, take Gollux and Magnus and Hellum.. you are completely uneducated if you say mobility is useless in bossing and must only Czak and think you know something. 2) Literally using a dictionary congrats, do you know what a synonym is? and never use google? so what engine do you use, bing or yahoo like a moron? I used google because websters does not list synonyms which both of you clearly missed the point. 3) No it wasn't, were you living under a rock? Nexon was hyping the class but never unveiled a name until shortly before. 4) Not at all, I was proving in the very first response in which that his class is just as unoriginal as Jett. I have stated numerous times that Jett stole skills just like EVERY other class. Also proving that his cannon stole skills which he claimed it didn't. Congrats you get an award for being less intelligent then the last guy.
God I love the idiotic kids who try to argue but forget the main point and argue anything and everything especially being wrong in most cases and when proved wrong jump to a new point. Maple community never ceases to amuse me. Please if your going to post something make it be something worth my time. Having to restate that none of you acknowledge your own hypocritical ways and having to literally type everything out for you because you do not see the point is fun and all but I understand your too ignorant. Claiming to not see things black and white yet so ignorant to see facts and accept things. Quite the oxymoron.
[quote=JasGuilty] 1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually.[/quote] Two posts ago, I said "Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective" you may have poked a hole in whatever example I came up with, but you haven't done anything to prove me wrong. So you spitballed one way to measure it. There are plenty of ways to measure mobility but none of them can be more telling than actual gameplay. You can't express the raw utility using numbers and charts. It. Is. [b]Subjective.[/b]
I'm going to state this very clearly so you can keep up: [b]they are apples and oranges.[/b]
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Using google here [/quote] Merriam-Webster or get out. You can't rebuttal a dictionary with a search engine.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser. [/quote] Well, I am just enthralled that you asked. You see, the reason why you were preparing to be a Zen first was actually covered in one of my previous posts! "Zen was announced far earlier."
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, How am I wrong?[/quote] Key word: [b]had[/b].
[quote=JasGuilty]5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " [b]Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree[/b] " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen. [/quote] I know there's a lot of typing here. I get it. It's hard to keep up. You can't just read whichever sentences you happen to glance at and ignore the rest. The quote was followed by "These similarities (magic crash, sharp eyes, double down) were released for each group of classes at the same time. It's intended to be thematic." And it's true. We can call it a fact that all explorers of the same job branch share some skills. However you, sir, have not said anything about whether or not that makes them copies. Is that because you have no response?
[quote=JasGuilty]Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen.[/quote] Ya livin' in the past, kid. They share explorer cash inventories, they are based on Victoria Island, they do the adventurer's journal questline. No. Stop. They're explorers.
[quote=JasGuilty]6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement.[/quote] No. A fact is something that is definitely true. If a fact is incorrect, it is no longer a fact. It's an impossible contradiction. I was making fun of you for saying it but you thought I was being serious.
[quote=JasGuilty]And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.[/quote] I'm pretty sure your original point was actually that Jett is less of a rip off because that's how it felt when you personally played it.
[quote=JasGuilty]Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.[/quote]
Whatever facts you tried to marshal, they were all to back up your personal impressions. The only reason they are in this thread is due to your own bias and that's why no matter how confidently-written your conclusions are, you won't get anywhere.
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[quote=JasGuilty]@SnailPresident: 1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually.[/quote] Who cares how fast you can move when it doesn't effect bossing in ANY way? Most bosses you don't need to be mobile, so what you can fly to the other side of Henesys faster, what's your point about that making Jett's so superior?
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Using google here " in a literal manner or sense; exactly. "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle" synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly;" Do you see the word exactly? Under both a definition and a synonym. [/quote] Please, and I mean this with all due respect, never try to Google something and use that as proof against someone who is, and I am using this correctly, literally using a dictionary.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser. [/quote] Zen was announced and in Tespia for like 2 weeks before it was released in CMS... about a week before GMS, congrats on your switch, you are the last Jett.
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, same attack range(tested it with a Mech at LHC to see who could hit the furthest. surprise it was the exact same range), attack speed, same sound. What's different about them? Strafe and barrage had a similar animation, attack speed, same hit count, and I could be slightly wrong but I do believe they had the same attack range. Another carbon copy. How am I wrong? [/quote] Are you seriously trying to say Jett is more original than Cannoneer, when Jett was literally made from hand-me-down skills from the Revamped Buccaneer and Corsair? Like... seriously? Can you be any more stupid..? Literally... my sister once told me that vegetarians eat chicken, and I still find her smarter than you are sounding right now.
[quote=JasGuilty]5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen. [/quote] Yup, all classes share skills, especially Jett, look at their stolen Mercedes jump </3 and their reskinned Zen... literally just took the dragon warrior and threw them into outer space because Nexon is so unoriginal... but not as unoriginal as Jetts </3
[quote=JasGuilty]6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement. In this context because we are talking about a virtual game some may consider all the information to be virtual although when it comes down to it, when you can see a hit count, or definite range such as the context with skills or even just which class has which skills it becomes actual as well because there is no denying it. In the end, I chose my words quite carefully. And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.[/quote] So... what you're saying is the hit count and definite ranges of Cannoneers are better.. and you have nothing else to say about how Jetts are Cannoneers besides the fact that they can move across Henesys faster than other classes, so that's your claim to fame, and because there is nothing else to say about any of that, you are trying to say Cannoneers steal skills from other jobs.. when that's the entire essence of a Jett? Just one question.. literally just one question, I promise. With all due respect, how have you lived so many years of your life with down syndrome?
@SnailPresident: 1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually. 2) Using google here " in a literal manner or sense; exactly. "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle" synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly;" Do you see the word exactly? Under both a definition and a synonym. 3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser. 4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, same attack range(tested it with a Mech at LHC to see who could hit the furthest. surprise it was the exact same range), attack speed, same sound. What's different about them? Strafe and barrage had a similar animation, attack speed, same hit count, and I could be slightly wrong but I do believe they had the same attack range. Another carbon copy. How am I wrong? 5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen. 6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement. In this context because we are talking about a virtual game some may consider all the information to be virtual although when it comes down to it, when you can see a hit count, or definite range such as the context with skills or even just which class has which skills it becomes actual as well because there is no denying it. In the end, I chose my words quite carefully. And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.
[quote=JasGuilty]Mobility deals with all directions not just west and east and even then, Jett has max walking speed as well as several not just 1 forward moving skills. Jett wins that race. I know that for a fact with having lvl 200s of both classes and frequently having to play both. (I was always able to get to fm faster on my Jett then my Cannon) [/quote] Dude, my point wasn't that mobility is measured by west and east. It's that [i]it's subjective.[/i] That means congratulations. You have an opinion. Hang it up on the fridge.
[quote=JasGuilty]Your exact words were "Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch." Notice the word LITERALLY.. you see it? Yet you comeback to say...snip. Words, they play a big part when trying to prove a point so please choose yours carefully. [/quote] [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally]That's funny. In the dictionary it's defined as both "actually" and "virtually", though? LOL[/url] I choose my words carefully, just as you clearly do your research. But fine. Take the point by technicality. Jett ripped off both explorer pirates. That was the point you were trying to make, right?
[quote=JasGuilty] And again you call Jett a copy of Zen when to your own stupidity...snip.[/quote] You clearly didn't read what I said. Zen was announced far earlier.
[quote=JasGuilty]Your slowly starting to understand your hypocrisy. Every class copies from each other leaving no class unique anymore. So to bash one constantly but not another is ludicrous.[/quote] Sure. I don't see things as black and white. Rather, a spectrum. Are you really going to keep sitting here and deny your class is at the complete extreme of that spectrum when it comes to this?
[quote=JasGuilty]Sorry but a Cannon Master never resembled a Sair's battleship as the Sairs battleship fired 3 balls, where as the cannon barrage was 5 exactly like strafe. Feel free to look at videos if you've forgotten. I think I just predated and ruined your point there once again. sorry.[/quote] No. Quite the opposite. You proved it. Look:
Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo - [b]No exactly like[/b] Mech's Laser. Is exactly my point. They're [i]similar.[/i] That's "not exactly's" ugly cousin. Does everything have to be a laser beam for you to consider it a rip off? By what standards are you using, oh great arbiter.
Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon - Not anything like. Exactly like strafe firing a higher count (5 at once) then battleship cannon (3 at once). Number of hits is the determining factor? Really? No. Really? You [i]just said[/i] a Cannon Master's laser ripped mechanic and what's the difference other than the number of hits. Please enlighten me. Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a projectile attack that fires a wave cascading downward, activated on individual key press.
Turret - Turret - Nothing to do with the battleship? Astute observation. I was going through and listing the moves YOU mentioned first in the post I quoted.
[quote=JasGuilty]I did already before but I guess I have to fully explain everything since your unable to draw assumptions that my last point answered your last point.[/quote] You really are ever the charmer. <3
[quote=JasGuilty]...snip... Paraphrase: Do I blame classes for ripping FJ[/quote] You realize that a lot of people played thieves because Flash Jump was so useful and mobility was dead among most all other classes, right? They spread mobility around because it wasn't balanced, not because they were lazy. It's funny, we're talking about Nexon here and you pick one of the far-outweighed few times they've catered to the players. The first point we've been arguing was over from the beginning. How long do you plan on beating that mobility horse before you realize it's dead? It might be hard to imagine, given you're a Jett and all, but a lot of classes are severely limited in their potential due to low mobility. Back then, something needed to change.
Pirates "copied from one another?" Dictionary time. "Copy" implies an original that predates the copy. Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree. That doesn't mean that everything is copying everything. These similarities (magic crash, sharp eyes, double down) were released for each group of classes at the same time. It's intended to be [i]thematic[/i].
[quote=JasGuilty]Yes but when the laser has the exact same attack range as the one it was based off. It even had the same sound before its recent cosmetic revamp. At least Mihile's had a shorter range. and Yes I am saying Bucc ripped the laser. [/quote] You want to argue with me about laser length. Really. Are you sure we're still talking about lasers here?
[quote=JasGuilty](paraphrasing) Your facts are wrong. You're dumb. You're embarassing yourself. I fix your bad facts with my good facts. Admit no class is unique any more.[/quote] Oh, I don't need to admit that. I guess I messed up and posted again. Sorry. Just so we're clear, the points in your post were: 1) You have the power to definitively measure which class is "more" mobile 2) Misinterpreting a quote due to a lack of knowledge of the definition for "literally." 3) You're wrong. 4) Skills (NOT LASERS) that are automatically dissimilar due to hit count 5) You brought up Flash Jump and teleport when talking about double down and nautilus strike. 6) I can't even.
Now, since you'll be nosing through a dictionary, would you mind explaining what an "incorrect fact" is? While you're at it, I'd like to know more about "actual information" versus "virtual information."
@SnailPresident: "Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective. Sure Jetts are mobile but race a cannon master from one end of the map to another. Who will win?" Mobility deals with all directions not just west and east and even then, Jett has max walking speed as well as several not just 1 forward moving skills. Jett wins that race. I know that for a fact with having lvl 200s of both classes and frequently having to play both. (I was always able to get to fm faster on my Jett then my Cannon)
"I like this habit you have of taking my points and drawing wide assumptions with them. It really makes your incredulous tone sound justified. To be clear, I was referring mostly to 4th job: the only one people use for the most part." Your exact words were "Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch." Notice the word LITERALLY.. you see it? Yet you comeback to say I was only talking about 4th job to save yourself in a later point after I had already stated that yes 3rd and 4th job skills were more Sair based (not exact carbon copies) with 1st and 2nd being more Bucc based. But a definition for literally means exactly.. 1st, 2nd, 3rd jobs were not exact carbon copies of Sairs so your wording in that statement is what makes you wrong. Even 4th job was not an exact carbon copy. Words, they play a big part when trying to prove a point so please choose yours carefully.
"They may have only been released a week or so apart, but Zen was announced long before." And again you call Jett a copy of Zen when to your own stupidity they are the exact same class both announced within a week apart (I knew of Jett's existence for an extremely long period of time and actually thought the class was called Zen only knowing shortly before release the name was Jett), both existing in different versions both with their own reskin on the same skills. Only reason why Zen gets updated first is because GMS is the king of waiting for others to code and then copying the code. Once again they are the EXACT SAME CLASS not a copy of a copy. Please try to get that point through your thick head. I know its hard being ignorant but try. It's not a Mario and Luigi relationship due to them being older and younger siblings but more of a fraternal twin relationship.
"That was my mistake. Yes. Clearly if it has a laser it rips off mechanic. I guess that includes bucc and mihile, right?" Your slowly starting to understand your hypocrisy. Every class copies from each other leaving no class unique anymore. So to bash one constantly but not another is ludicrous.
"With the Mutiny revamp, Sair lost battleship which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles" Sorry but a Cannon Master never resembled a Sair's battleship as the Sairs battleship fired 3 balls, where as the cannon barrage was 5 exactly like strafe. Feel free to look at videos if you've forgotten. "Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo - No exactly like Mech's Laser. Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon - Not anything like. Exactly like strafe firing a higher count (5 at once) then battleship cannon (3 at once). Turret - Turret" - Nothing to do with the battleship? I think I just predated and ruined your point there once again. sorry.
"How cute. While we're baiting, mind also responding to my points relating to double down which you conveniently excluded in your last post? Thanks." text "4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff." I did already before but I guess I have to fully explain everything since your unable to draw assumptions that my last point answered your last point. So once again, Every adventurer shares or steals the same amount of skills from its counter parts and even other classes. Double Down is a skill pirates had copied from one another, same with nautilus strike. Another very important skill is Flash Jump. Do you remember the time when that belonged to NLs only.. not even shads? I do. Now every single class in the game has it (minus most mages them all copying Teleport). Do you bash other classes for stealing it from NL's? " Just because it's a laser beam doesn't mean it's a rip. The fireball we have now is the exact same skill. That much is only cosmetic." Yes but when the laser has the exact same attack range as the one it was based off. It even had the same sound before its recent cosmetic revamp. At least Mihile's had a shorter range. and Yes I am saying Bucc ripped the laser.
Finally as a bonus thanks to @mousepound " GMS's Cannoneer still uses its original tespia sounds (minus bazooka ATM), a noticeable amount of which has sounds taken from Mech skills." At least Jett took the time to change the sounds. So you wanna bash and hate on Jett for being a copy then take a good look at your own class and bash it for being just as uncreative.
So I see you did little to no research before posting another significant amount of incorrect facts to try to save yourself from looking like an ignorant fool but once again I have easily (very easily) corrected all of your statements with actual information. Who would have guessed that in a debate you actually have to use these things called facts?. Please save yourself from future embarrassment and just stop this debate, you can't win until you actually admit that no class is unique anymore.
If it helps, GMS's Cannoneer still uses its original tespia sounds (minus bazooka ATM), a noticeable amount of which has sounds taken from Mech skills.
Believe me, I have both a Cannoneer and a Mech, both created when they were first released.
[quote=JasGuilty] Yes I will agree with you cannon has the advantage in % dmg and lines but nothing is as mobile as a Jett. Triple Jump combined into a diagonal jump. multiple skills that propel the Jett forward. I don't think any class is as mobile as a Jett and yes, I've played every single class with exceptions to revamp NW and BW. Now to get to the points you just posted:[/quote] Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective. Sure jetts are mobile but race a cannon master from one end of the map to another. Who will win?
[quote=JasGuilty]1) Jett's had their release ripped from the Mutiny Corsair patch? So are you saying Corsairs had Bucc's barrage or dragon strike or tornado uppercut skills? Also the solar array ( i think it was called that anyways the cooler looking skill in third job(?) seemed pretty unique to me not like a Sair at all). [/quote] I like this habit you have of taking my points and drawing wide assumptions with them. It really makes your incredulous tone sound justified. To be clear, I was referring mostly to 4th job: the only one people use for the most part. You had a carbon copy of easton and rapid fire. Furthermore, it's specific to rapid fire because the mobility while firing was added to each in their respective revamps as if they were intended to coincide. The introduction of this attack combination for sairs lines up rather nicely with the introduction of Zen and, lastly, Jett. In a way you could even call Jett a copy of a copy.
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Does Zen exist in GMS? No. Does Jett exist in TMS? No. From day 1 Jett and Zen have been the exact same class (Jett GMS skin exclusive, Zen TMS skin exclusive), not just since their recent revamp. (please have those facts straight) [/quote] They may have only been released a week or so apart, but Zen was announced long before. At least you admit it's a copy. That saves us a lot of time in the long run.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Are you saying a Cannoneer when it was first released did not have a big red lazer as its main mobbing skill because I vividly remember that giant red laser and that Cannoneer was a class before Mechaninc? If I recall correctly, Mechs came out January 2011, Cannoneers came out December 2011. Which ripped off which now? So my references were not predated, it just proved your ignorance in trying to prove an invalid point without researching.[/quote] That was my mistake. Yes. Clearly if it has a laser it rips off mechanic. I guess that includes bucc and mihile, right? In the interest of keeping my arguments consistent I'd like to point out that with Rapid Fire and Easton above, it wasn't the manner of animation they used, but rather, both bearing playstyle similarities. Just because it's a laser beam doesn't mean it's a rip. The fireball we have now is the exact same skill. That much is only cosmetic.
By the way, I was saying the original Corsair battleship predated all your references (again, minus strafe). Though please feel free to "outresearch" me on that one. Look, see? I said: "With the Mutiny revamp, sair lost [b]battleship[/b] which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles. [b]It[/b] also predates all of your references" It = Battleship
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff.[/quote] I did? You're welcome. Zen is mario. You're luigi. Get over it.
[quote=JasGuilty]I'm looking forward to your next response please do some research before then.[/quote] How cute. While we're baiting, mind also responding to my points relating to double down which you conveniently excluded in your last post? Thanks.
@therebegold Finally another smart person ^. It seems everyone bashes Jett (notice the comment on forum after forum "Jett copied Sairs blah blah blah" for having skills from Sairs and Buccs when it was first released yet fail to bash their own class for stealing the same amount of skills. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in their thinking yet I guess to some people its too hard of a concept to comprehend. Also I felt the need to correct pretty much everything he said since well it was all completely wrong and was directed to me. I even stated in my original post saying it had both Bucc and Sair skills and did not once deny it stealing skills and noted that after revamp it had taken skills from 4 classes.
Are people honestly arguing about originality in maplestory or am I having a stroke? I mean after all the variations of hurricane , rapid fire , people are still going after which class ripped of which class, really I mean really? for the most part maple rips of maple so is there some sort of pride in having the first rapid fire skill when so many classes have a variation of it ? Am I seriosuly missining something when people argue about originality in a game that copies and paste itself ?
Anyway to the topic at hand, the play style of Jett and cannoneer are quite different , I'd recommend watching some vids of 4th job before making your choice.
@SnailPresident: Yes I will agree with you cannon has the advantage in % dmg and lines but nothing is as mobile as a Jett. Triple Jump combined into a diagonal jump. multiple skills that propel the Jett forward. I don't think any class is as mobile as a Jett and yes, I've played every single class with exceptions to revamp NW and BW. Now to get to the points you just posted:
1) Jett's had their release ripped from the Mutiny Corsair patch? So are you saying Corsairs had Bucc's barrage or dragon strike or tornado uppercut skills? Also the solar array ( i think it was called that anyways the cooler looking skill in third job(?) seemed pretty unique to me not like a Sair at all). 2) Does Zen exist in GMS? No. Does Jett exist in TMS? No. From day 1 Jett and Zen have been the exact same class (Jett GMS skin exclusive, Zen TMS skin exclusive), not just since their recent revamp. (please have those facts straight) 3) Are you saying a Cannoneer when it was first released did not have a big red lazer as its main mobbing skill because I vividly remember that giant red laser and that Cannoneer was a class before Mechaninc? If I recall correctly, Mechs came out January 2011, Cannoneers came out December 2011. Which ripped off which now? So my references were not predated, it just proved your ignorance in trying to prove an invalid point without researching. 4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff.
I'm looking forward to your next response please do some research before then.
I believe a cannon master is superior in terms of range, % damage output, AND lines. They're just as mobile as a jett. They mob better. That's the real meat and potatoes for you, OP.
[quote=JasGuilty]I find it hilarious that you still call Jett a copycat class to this day yet you do not even realize how much of a copycat class Cannoneers are. Barrage, hmm that awfully resembles MMs old strafe attack, and lets not forget your cannon jump, quite similar to Mechs, and your turrets, hmm quite similar to a Sairs, bazooka that's from Mechs also, double down stolen from pirates, shall I continue? Let alone Jett's revamp gives the class a completely different gameplay(merging quite a few classes ((Buccs, Sairs, Xenons, TB etc)) into one while adding a nice combo system) than any pirate class giving them quite the nice balance of close range and ranged skills and if you even bothered to play the class before the revamp you would've realized that first and second jobs were more Bucc based with 3rd and 4th being Sair based. Now I do have a 200 cannon (made on release and mained it til Jett came out) and can say Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.[/quote]
Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch. Recently when they were revamped, they were literally a recolored Zen. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBI0Fgk_9wU]Literally.[/url] With the Mutiny revamp, sair lost battleship which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles. It also predates all of your references, minus strafe (battleship cannon was a strafe rip, though). Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon Turret - Turret Double Down? Really? That's not a rip. All explorer pirates have Double Down and Cannon Master is an explorer pirate. Cannon Masters have Double Down and Nautilus Strike just as Blade Masters have Dark Sight, Channel Karma, and Shadow Partner.
[quote=OldAura]Cannoneer takes a dump on the useless copycat class. At least they're useful for hair coupons.[/quote]
I find it hilarious that you still call Jett a copycat class to this day yet you do not even realize how much of a copycat class Cannoneers are. Barrage, hmm that awfully resembles MMs old strafe attack, and lets not forget your cannon jump, quite similar to Mechs, and your turrets, hmm quite similar to a Sairs, bazooka that's from Mechs also, double down stolen from pirates, shall I continue? Let alone Jett's revamp gives the class a completely different gameplay(merging quite a few classes ((Buccs, Sairs, Xenons, TB etc)) into one while adding a nice combo system) than any pirate class giving them quite the nice balance of close range and ranged skills and if you even bothered to play the class before the revamp you would've realized that first and second jobs were more Bucc based with 3rd and 4th being Sair based. Now I do have a 200 cannon (made on release and mained it til Jett came out) and can say Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.
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Jetts vs Cannoneers?
I think they are both fun to play and both are very mobile classes.
Jetts feedback
I think jetts deserve more attention from nexon. After the jett revamp, I feel jetts to be a close range pirate class and they are pretty tanky (a lot of hp). So far, I consider jetts to have the most usefull mobility skills in the game and can avoid a lot of attacks from bosses if you use it correctly. In term of experience with Jetts, I have played before the revamp and main one after the revamp. I solo CRA, hard magnus and hellux weekly. I didn't hear (of what I know) of a jett other than me to have soloed Chaos Vellum (I will record a run someday). Is that make jetts strong? Not really, I am really funded.
Cannoneer feedback
Love how many summons they can do and the mobility of the class. Cannoneers are rare, but you can see a lot of phantoms stealing his main mobbing attack skill. They are stronger than jetts with the same funding (range appears higher, for range lovers) and they have a really good end game potential with their hyper that reduce their dmg to 40% x 3 lines. Another thing that most of people forget about is the attack speed. They might be slow at first, but if you are serious to fund a cannoneer, you can attack pretty fast later on, where jett is limited by his "rapid fire/hurricane" move.
Any comments or question? Just leave me a reply for more details.
I read a few comments but lol... He has no support from others. XD
@collo123
Not sure if you were expecting this by making this thread.
I play this game for the fun. I can't compare jobs into details like many other people can do. I play thief class mainly and the pirate class is probably my least fun class. If I had to choose between a Jett or a Cannoneer, I would pick Cannoneer. I prefer the skills they have.
@Completes: :"Making me a no life because I play this game for 6 and a half hours a week? How does that make any sense, not all of us are Jetts that have to spent 1 hour per boss. And, yes I played characters as they came out in the past and leveled them to 200, only takes me about 4 hours now when I actually try to level, so I guess spending 4 hours of my life to level to 200 makes me a no life :c FML wish I could buy a life.. And now calling me a hacker because I have outdone you in every category"
My quote said either you were a no life or UNLESS key word was unless, learn to read. It is referring to one or the other. You claim I have down syndrome yet you can't even read a full sentence and then proceed to make up an entire paragraph about it. Do you understand what a carbon copy is? You keep throwing that term around then saying yes I admit that they had different skills. Your contradicting your own points. Congrats on yourself to being the dumbest person (you character is a girl but I am going to assume your a boy who's either in denial about his masculinity or your just that weird). Now bosses barely took me any time at all. As I had said I had figured out how to do them and my range was that comparable to those of top in YMCK. You had said repeatedly that I claimed Jett was the best class twice now which I never stated. That is twisting points. All I have been doing is defending the class from carbon copy idiots like yourself who walk into a forum and say Jett ripped of Sair but worse which is annoying and wrong considering Jett is better then Sair at mobbing and mobility now and bossing I will give Sair the edge in. I am looking forward to returning one day so I can meet more idiots like you in this game. It's fun seeing how stupid the community still is and how arrogant, ignorant and self righteous some people are when they are completely wrong. Though I do realize some people are just past the point of no return in stupidity.
textAgain just in case you missed it. All I have been doing is showing that no Jetts are not carbon copies of Sair, never were once. All that ever was was a 4th job when they came out. And also your hypocrisy in saying one class is better then another because the latter stole skills is pure hypocrisy considering every class has stolen near the same amount of content. I have never once said its the best class in the game nor is it overall better then a cannon.(mobility yes, damage and mobbing no as I stated above but I'm sure you didn't read that since you can't read more then 10 words in seems) Aight peace moron, this is pointless.text
[quote=JasGuilty]
Again you missed the point. Not once have I said Jett > Cannon or any class so congrats on being an idiot once again creating false points. And to your point about never killing any of those bosses rofl, you really dont know a thing considering I did before I quit quite often. Bossing was the only thing I would log on to do for awhile. Only thing I said about mobility was Jetts are better then Cannons at mobility which the other idiot tried to say was wrong, not once did I say mobility makes it the best class, so again congrats on twisting more points to create points I never said. Your really bad at this. Congrats on killing every boss 4 times a week, have a life much? 200 of every class in the game? I guess that answered that question unless your nothing but a pathetic hacker in that case it might make up how an idiot like you can kill every boss in the game without having to move. And yea 3rd place 200 got banned from hacking making me 3rd place. Wow your really smart. All you had to do is look at rankings and there I was but nope. Please keep trying try hard your starting to amuse me. [/quote]
So, why the hell are you talking? Are you this wanting to hear yourself type and prove nothing to anyone besides the point that you are one of the dumbest person I've ever met on this website? Cause if so, job accomplished. Please stay quit, and never come back to the game, you are the type of people that make the community awful. No one twisted any points, besides you by taking a small portion of my text and choosing to quote it in an attempt to make me look dumb. Yeah, I spend about 3 hours a week bossing weekly bosses, and about thirty minutes a day doing Hellux; what's your point? Making me a no life because I play this game for 6 and a half hours a week? How does that make any sense, not all of us are Jetts that have to spent 1 hour per boss. And, yes I played characters as they came out in the past and leveled them to 200, only takes me about 4 hours now when I actually try to level, so I guess spending 4 hours of my life to level to 200 makes me a no life :c FML wish I could buy a life.. And now calling me a hacker because I have outdone you in every category and made you look stupid and all you are doing here is personal attacks, but hey who cares really? Seriously, I am still waiting on the answer from you. How rough has life been living with down syndrome for so long?
[quote=JasGuilty]also @Completes "Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one."
Please stop making up false points you claim to say. First you say this then you say you were only talking about Bossing. Choose your words wisely. Your just as bad as the last guy making up stuff once someone else calls you out.[/quote]
Are you seriously this stupid? You are taking one tiny quote and then making all sorts of assumptions. As I've said, since the release Jetts have been a carbon copy of Corsairs and sure there were some Buccaneer skills thrown in (I admitted that previously but you just choose to forgo that information cause you can't read it seems). And, as I've been saying my last two posts Jetts since their revamp have had their bossing style as a complete rip-off of Corsairs. I never once said the entire time that I was exclusively talking about bossing, just in their most recent revamp. I don't know how you can be so ignorant. You're the one who doesn't read as I've done nothing but shown valid points that you ignore and then talk about useless things just to try and prove a point that you have no point to prove and are just here because your life is pathetic and you have nothing better to do with it besides go on an online forum for an online game just to try and act superior since your life is just full of you being pushed around as a child probably so you try to come on here to act tough, but hey I don't mind I'll just wait for the usual small person comeback of you telling me to find you in real life, and to that I'll simply ask your address and gladly accept your offer. So, unless you truly are just a little b that you type and act like, please learn to read and stop thinking you're worth anything, because in reality you aren't.
@Completes
I think he's just trolling now. Let's leave so he gets bored.
@Completes: "You are the one who is doing nothing but saying his class is the greatest thing since sliced bread."
Again you missed the point. Not once have I said Jett > Cannon or any class so congrats on being an idiot once again creating false points. And to your point about never killing any of those bosses rofl, you really dont know a thing considering I did before I quit quite often. Bossing was the only thing I would log on to do for awhile. Only thing I said about mobility was Jetts are better then Cannons at mobility which the other idiot tried to say was wrong, not once did I say mobility makes it the best class, so again congrats on twisting more points to create points I never said. Your really bad at this. Congrats on killing every boss 4 times a week, have a life much? 200 of every class in the game? I guess that answered that question unless your nothing but a pathetic hacker in that case it might make up how an idiot like you can kill every boss in the game without having to move. And yea 3rd place 200 got banned from hacking making me 3rd place. Wow your really smart. All you had to do is look at rankings and there I was but nope. Please keep trying try hard your starting to amuse me.
also @Completes "Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one."
Please stop making up false points you claim to say. First you say this then you say you were only talking about Bossing. Choose your words wisely. Your just as bad as the last guy making up stuff once someone else calls you out.
Dang, Jett hasn't got this much attention since it's release. o.o
@JasGuilty: The 3rd person to hit 200 on a Jett got banned, so Congrats on your ban; unless you are lying about that. Congrats on being the best Cannoneer in YMCK and trading down to a worse class. Congrats on having a bucc/sair, kanna, and other 12x-15x. I personally have a level 200 or higher of every class in the game, but this isn't a contest is it? Jett's playstyle for bossing is a rip off of Corsair, even after their latest patch is what I said, if you could pull your head out of your Jett sniffing ass and read what I said, you would have seen that I was saying you use Rapid Fire, then use your Hyper. The exact same bossing function that a Corsair does, using Rapid Fire until Snipe is off cooldown. You are the one who is doing nothing but saying his class is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've played my Jett past one day and since the revamp, they move differently and they have different mobbing abilities; but as for people with down syndrome, such as yourself, let me make this abundantly clear as saying so perfectly clear in my last post was not good enough for you, and neither was the last few sentences that I posted for you. Jett's bossing style is an exact copy of Corsair bossing style of a Rapid Fire and Snipe-like attack between Rapid Fire. If you took the time to actually read what people say and not just think you know everything, maybe you would actually see what people have been saying, as I have already said that Jett copied both Corsair and Buccaneer in a previous post, but I can't do research because of that? Research of what? Looking at my Buccaneer skills and a Jett's skills? I've done so already and looked them up and am well aware of how the class has stolen from other classes. If you'd like to do some research of your own, research what I've already said in this thread and stop putting words in my mouth trying to say I don't know anything because you clearly don't know how to read. If you want me to do any research, at least learn to read what has been said and make actual responses to things, instead of your usual way of just trying to argue about things you are clearly wrong about. Mobility is not needed for any boss, are you even able to kill any bosses? Since when does moving across the map help you at all in any boss? Magnus? Cra? Cvellum? Anything? Do you kill any of these bosses? Because I kill them on 4 different characters every week and mobility between classes makes no difference on the ability to kill, just the damage output. Please tell me one boss where being able to move slightly more faster to the other side of the map will ever make a difference. Please don't say queen, because you can literally walk slightly to her side and avoid the flames. And don't say Cvellum to avoid the blast because every class can get to the other side without hassle. Mobility has almost no effect on any bossing, it makes a few things easier but has no effect on the overall ability to do a boss. The fact that you are trying to say anything after thinking Jetts are better because of their mobility makes you lose all credibility to everyone. Congrats on "out DPSing" every Corsair and Cannoneer in YMCK, just means there probably wasn't any other ones besides you, as they are known for being the dead classes. Not really anything to brag about since it can't even be proved. Congrats again on the ability to KS people, which in the first place isn't a very good thing to do, and secondly isn't hard to do for any class. Why don't you world transfer to any of the GAZED alliance servers and try to KS me? I would gladly put you in your place both here in this thread and in game. Yup, any class can be good when you're not a moron (or even when you use the right you're and not your), sadly for you you are a moron, who probably only moved to Jett because he was tired of being somewhat slow and thought that he'd be a lot better on a new class and refuses to change because he is stubborn and has no competition for anyone being stronger than him in his class since nobody wants to play a Jett. I mean at least you're probably pretty popular in your server for being 150+ right now. Thank you Nexon for that event for making Jetts finally have a use in this game, even if just a small one.
@Completes:Congrats at being 6th, I was 3rd and played the class for more then a day. I was also best Cannon in YMCK until Jett was realesed. Also have a 18x Bucc/Sair, and 19x Kanna, atleast 12x -15x of every class in the game. To say Jett is a rip off of a Sair after their latest patch? Do you live under a rock or are just that thick headed. Please take a look at the new play style idiot. I never once said my class didn't steal skills, I admitted it multiple times and even new Jett stole from TB, Bucc, Xenon/DB, Sair. Jett is NOT a complete ripoff of Sair and never was. When Jett was first released 1st and 2nd job were Bucc based and with 3rd leaning more towards Sair and 4th being more Sair. Even their Hypers was Bucc hyper attack and Sairs buff. If you ever took the time to break down the skills from 1-4 job you woulda realized it was 50% both classes but I guess your just someone who never actually does any research. Your the same idiot who said mobility isn't needed for bossing when it clearly is needed for harder bosses then Zakum and Horntail. The fact you try to say something after that makes me laugh because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Btw my awful choice on Jett out DPSd every Sair and Cannon in YMCK when I played. I could KS any one of them anywhere. Any class can be good when your not a moron
It doesn't.
P2S
Lol jasguilty you are only making yourself look worse.
There's really no point in arguing semantics when the basis of your argument was never there in the first place.
Pretty entertaining to see when any argument devolves in dictionary citations though.
[quote=JasGuilty]@SnailPresident: Synonym of literally is exactly[/quote]
Weird: Odd, Bizarre
Awful: Very bad, horrible
Yet they are synonyms, but are completely different... seriously dude you literally do have down syndrome don't you.. like I don't comprehend how stupid you can be..
Source: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/weird
Just because something is listed as a synonym doesn't mean that they mean the exact same thing, it just means that they are slightly similiar in definitions. Unless you think that your "weird" obsession with the Jett class is "awful". But, according to you, synonyms mean that words are the exact choice, so goodluck with your "awful" choice on the class Jett.
[quote=JasGuilty]Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth. [/quote]
Look at my characters, Jett level 200, Cannoneer level 200. Check legendary rankings, i was 6th 200 Jett in all of GMS, and I am here telling you that you are wrong. It's not just one person here who thinks that you are completely and blatantly stupid. I am here to say I have played both characters, Jett is STILL a copy of corsair. You spam rapid fire and when your hyper is up you use it to attack then go back to rapid fire; Corsairs use rapid fire until their snipe is up and then use that and go back to using rapid fire. It's literally a copy of Corsairs, even after the revamp; the only difference is skill animations and the skills you get for mobbing and lower jobs. Bossing-wise, it is an exact copy of a Corsair playstyle. You're just a bias dumbass who thinks that his class is the best of everyone else's and doesn't see the truth that is literally right before him. I've played Cannoneer and Mechanic, both classes are completely different in their playstyles, besides the fact they both have a laser, like seiously by that logic, Mihile uses a sword that shoots a laser so it's copying Mechanic too. Jett is just a rip-off of Corsairs, and have been since day one. While looking at Cannoneers, they have a unique weapon, unique up jump (that Corsairs later got a similar version of).
[quote=JasGuilty]SO ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST. [/quote]
So, one last time for you. To try and say another class stole skills when your class is made up of nothing but stolen skills is hypocritical as hell. You don't realize that the person you're talking to is only speaking of Cannoneers because of the thread title, they aren't that person's main choice class, while yours is Jett. Like, good for you on you being original and the only person in the world who plays a Jett as a main, since they are inferior to almost every other class. The bias that you hold literally makes me do this </3 Take it from someone who has all of the classes behind talked about here (Corsair, Jett, Cannoneer, Mechanic), Jett is a complete ripoff of Corsair while Cannoneer just has a few similarities with Mechanic. You can continue acting this way with you bias and making yourself look foolish, but you are just making me laugh with these things that you are posting.
If you reply in a paragraph like that again, I'm done. Maybe you don't understand quoting but at least separate into paragraphs. I'm not reading another wall of text.
[quote=JasGuilty]Synonym of literally is exactly. Another thing I had to type for you since your too ignorant to accept the fact that you were wrong. [/quote]
So what? Literally is also an antonym of exactly. According to merriam-hallelujah-webster. GOOD DAY SIR. YOU LOSE.
[quote=JasGuilty]Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept[/quote]
You never gave exact dates either? GG
I said that BATTLESHIP was older than both. I've reminded you twice now. Go back and reread our discussion.
I didn't need exact dates because the only information necessary to keep you replying was which class came / was announced first. And apparently even that information doesn't seem to be sinking in since you STILL think I said cannon master predated mech. Are you incapable of following along without dates?
[quote=JasGuilty]and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth. [/quote]
You've conceded all your previous points. I havent conceded any. I wonder if it's because I'm stubborn or I'm right.
The absence of facts is because as it so happens, 99% of this thread was nothing more than poking holes in your half baked logic. If you want more clever responses, say something clever.
umad?
[quote=JasGuilty] ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST.[/quote]
No it's not. You're just butthurt.
@SnailPresident: Synonym of literally is exactly. Another thing I had to type for you since your too ignorant to accept the fact that you were wrong.
Just to say the only "factual information" you tried to give was Cannoneers predated mechanics which yeah great fact and a dictionary reference. You gave no exact dates once in any of your posts to support anything such as release date of Jett and creation of the concept and I find it funny that you still can not admit that you miss the entire point. You still do after it being stated multiple times. See here's the thing, anyone can look at the numbers, the skills and test it for themselves quite easily. I am posting first hand knowledge since I have done it (which I still bossed and did everything I did on my Jett on my Cannoneer minus train on my. I know the class just as well as I know Jett's where as you prolly just looked at a forum of someone saying Jett ripped of Sairs and never bothered to play the class) and anyone is welcome to repeat it. You really don't understand things do you? Tell me what's it like to be that ignorant? Like the fact that they are the exact same class in 2 different versions of a similar game. You don't understand that they are twins. I mean I agree when I am wrong as I have agreed that, yes Jett did carbon copy skills but you, you refuse to admit your wrong and keep posting with 0 let me repeat 0 facts yet you claim to have some. Nah I just insult when I realize the person I am talking to has little to any intelligence about debates or anything in for that matter and is way beyond ignorant and oblivious to truth.
SO ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU. TO BASH A CLASS SUCH AS JETT FOR STEALING SKILLS WHILE PROMOTING ANOTHER CLASS WHICH HAS STOLEN A SIMILAR IF NOT MORE AMOUNT (stole not only skills but even sounds) IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. IT IS HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST.
Assuming both classes are at speed cap (Fastest 2), have all passive Hypers that affect their main attacks, and attacking one target with 0% defense, here's JoeTang's %/s values:
Cannoneers: 16156%/s (18107%/s with Sharp Eyes) [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=50830&page=22](Source: Post #440)[/url]
Jetts: ?%/s
Unfortunately, JoeTang didn't do (up-to-date) calculations for classes that are in GMS, but not in KMS, which includes Hayato, Kanna, Beast Tamer, and Jett.
Which is why [b]I'm curious...[/b] What is Jett's DPS in %/s with the following skills?
[*]Starforce Salvo + Strikeforce Showdown (keydown only; [b]Are Planet Buster and Singularity Shock beneficial to DPS?[/b])
[*]Backup Beatdown (keydown)
[*]Backup Beatdown (spam)
[url=http://maplearchive.com/skill-wp.php?book=572]MapleArchive[/url] has the skill delays for all of Jett's skills for a reference, in 2 pages.
However, there are still some unlisted things. These are:
[*] Backup Beatdown's finishing/spam attack deals 800% damage per line (and has a 450ms delay)
[*] Singularity Shock has a 100% crit rate and a 7 second cooldown time
[*] Planet Buster has a 5 second cooldown time
Sure, %/s is moot when you start capping, but not everyone can reach the damage cap.
I main a jett because I like that it's a rare class, and I enjoy the play style. By no means would I bother to explain how they have AMAZING damage, because they don't. Don't get me wrong though, they have pretty good bossing dps, but they don't exactly excel in any set category. In terms of superior damage with the same amount of funding, I am almost certain that cannoneers win. Would I ever choose a cannoneer over my jett? Hell no. It's all just personal preference.
[quote=JasGuilty]Look up a synonym, you did not mention that at all.
And congrats I've done the test which prove Jett is more mobile, so have others, congrats at your stupidity for being unable to read what I posted. Jett has far superior mobility in terms of base and skills meaning it is more mobile.[/quote]
Why should I list a synonym? I know what the word subjective means.
THE test? No. YOUR test. Which is not recognized or accepted by anyone. You've proven nothing except you know how to waste your time.
How's this for a test:
I say without any doubt in my mind that Bishop is the most mobile class in the game (joking). You of course tell me I'm full of steaming excrement and list all the reasons why other things are better than mage teleport (Evan alone has tele AND glide). Though no matter how many reasons you list, your conclusion will never be a fact because it is inherently your opinion. Just because you looked at the evidence and decided for yourself, doesn't mean that anything is [i]proven.[/i]
[quote=JasGuilty]key word, HAD, Jett is no longer a carbon copy yet you state it is.[/quote]
We both did when we agreed it's a Zen rip two posts ago. Try to keep up.
[quote=JasGuilty]All those skills are direct copies? I didn't think it needed to be stated. You really need everything to be spoon fed to you don't you?[/quote]
Actually I'm more of a chopstick fan.
[quote=JasGuilty]Jett shares CS with explorers, and starts in Vic Island? Does that mean its an Explorer? By your definition it is. Your forgot to mention about resistance having those skills? Was it too much for you to remember?[/quote]
Not a definition. Premises to a conclusion. Show me your gold maple leaf emblem, please. Oh, what? You don't have one? Oh that's right! They're only for [i]explorers![/i]
[quote=JasGuilty]Yes,, but when you claim it is a fact like you stated multiple times, the term used for that is an incorrect fact. It's an oxymoron. Please stay in school.
The reason I actually looked at this thread was to see how biased and uneducated the maple community still is. Congrats you are the dumbest online community out there. Very uneducated. Yes because the only way to prove something is through experience something I doubt you have done yet I have multiple times.[/quote]
Only with your IQ dragging down our average. I've given plenty of factual information, if that qualifies as proof. Though it's true that so much of my time is dedicated to correcting your logic that it does feel like I haven't been posting as many facts as I would have liked. I honestly love how colorful your insults are. Tell me, do you always insult people to compensate when you're wrong? You have no idea just how entertaining you really are.
I have both a Cannoneer and a Jett and I can say for sure that Cannoneers are better.
The issue with Jetts is that their skills don't work well with their design. In terms of mobbing, one of the biggest draws for Jetts is their absurd movement and speed, but the 4th job mobbing move forces you to move at 100% speed without the ability to jump and only hitting a little bit in front of you. It also takes like a full second to stop using the skill, so you can't just quickly stop, move up to another platform, and start attacking again.
In terms of bossing, one of the draws for Jetts is the fact that they're a ranged class, and to their credit, Starforce Salvo and their signature ability work well together, there's a 2% chance of a lot of damage being done and it's really nice when it happens. The issue is with the Hyper Skill, which is a 1v1 move with a short cooldown (probably around 8 seconds), but the range is obnoxiously short and it takes a while to use the skill. This means that, if you want to maximize your damage, you have to stay close to bosses, or else forego your lvl 170 Hyper skill and just fire away with Salvo.
Also the descriptions for a lot of the Jett skills are unfinished. At least 3 skills have cooldowns that aren't listed anywhere on the skill itself. While that doesn't really have an effect on the training itself since you figure out the approximate cooldown times yourself, it's still annoying and sloppy.
I like my Jett, don't get me wrong, it's fun to zoom around, even if that skill is really hard to handle correctly, and Cosmic Upheaval is a really interesting skill on the off chance that it actually functions, but the broken gameplay is annoying to the point where I can't put them above Cannoneers.
@SnailPresident: Look up a synonym, you did not mention that at all.
And congrats I've done the test which prove Jett is more mobile, so have others, congrats at your stupidity for being unable to read what I posted. Jett has far superior mobility in terms of base and skills meaning it is more mobile.
Key word, HAD, Jett is no longer a carbon copy yet you state it is.
All those skills are direct copies? I didn't think it needed to be stated. You really need everything to be spoon fed to you don't you?
Jett shares CS with explorers, and starts in Vic Island? Does that mean its an Explorer? By your definition it is. Your forgot to mention about resistance having those skills? Was it too much for you to remember?
Yes, but when you claim it is a fact like you stated multiple times, the term used for that is an incorrect fact. It's an oxymoron. Please stay in school.
The reason I actually looked at this thread was to see how biased and uneducated the maple community still is. Congrats you are the dumbest online community out there. Very uneducated. Yes because the only way to prove something is through experience something I doubt you have done yet I have multiple times. As well you started off by saying Mech's stole laser from Cannon and tried to defend it multiple times initially by saying Cannons predated Mechs. You have given no concrete evidence (what evidence you did say was easily proven wrong) aside from a websters dictionary link to give a definition of the word Literally in which you then did not even bother to say what a synonym is.
@Completes: How long have you lived being a downie? Ain't no claim to fame at all but rather pointing out the hypocrisy in everyone's thinking that Jett is a bad class BECAUSE it stole skills. Also btw, damage and range is determined by funding, and I don't think I met a Cannon in YMCK that could out damage me, out ks me out anything me so why bother with a pointless response in which your input did not contribute at all but a waste of everyone's time. Please do finish school, you need all the help you can get when trying to talk in a debate because you clearly missed my point by a long shot.
1) Mobility is actually a huge part of bossing, take Gollux and Magnus and Hellum.. you are completely uneducated if you say mobility is useless in bossing and must only Czak and think you know something.
2) Literally using a dictionary congrats, do you know what a synonym is? and never use google? so what engine do you use, bing or yahoo like a moron? I used google because websters does not list synonyms which both of you clearly missed the point.
3) No it wasn't, were you living under a rock? Nexon was hyping the class but never unveiled a name until shortly before.
4) Not at all, I was proving in the very first response in which that his class is just as unoriginal as Jett. I have stated numerous times that Jett stole skills just like EVERY other class. Also proving that his cannon stole skills which he claimed it didn't. Congrats you get an award for being less intelligent then the last guy.
God I love the idiotic kids who try to argue but forget the main point and argue anything and everything especially being wrong in most cases and when proved wrong jump to a new point. Maple community never ceases to amuse me. Please if your going to post something make it be something worth my time. Having to restate that none of you acknowledge your own hypocritical ways and having to literally type everything out for you because you do not see the point is fun and all but I understand your too ignorant. Claiming to not see things black and white yet so ignorant to see facts and accept things. Quite the oxymoron.
[quote=JasGuilty] 1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually.[/quote]
Two posts ago, I said "Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective" you may have poked a hole in whatever example I came up with, but you haven't done anything to prove me wrong. So you spitballed one way to measure it. There are plenty of ways to measure mobility but none of them can be more telling than actual gameplay. You can't express the raw utility using numbers and charts. It. Is. [b]Subjective.[/b]
I'm going to state this very clearly so you can keep up: [b]they are apples and oranges.[/b]
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Using google here [/quote]
Merriam-Webster or get out. You can't rebuttal a dictionary with a search engine.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser. [/quote]
Well, I am just enthralled that you asked. You see, the reason why you were preparing to be a Zen first was actually covered in one of my previous posts! "Zen was announced far earlier."
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, How am I wrong?[/quote]
Key word: [b]had[/b].
[quote=JasGuilty]5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " [b]Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree[/b] " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen. [/quote]
I know there's a lot of typing here. I get it. It's hard to keep up. You can't just read whichever sentences you happen to glance at and ignore the rest. The quote was followed by "These similarities (magic crash, sharp eyes, double down) were released for each group of classes at the same time. It's intended to be thematic." And it's true. We can call it a fact that all explorers of the same job branch share some skills. However you, sir, have not said anything about whether or not that makes them copies. Is that because you have no response?
[quote=JasGuilty]Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen.[/quote]
Ya livin' in the past, kid. They share explorer cash inventories, they are based on Victoria Island, they do the adventurer's journal questline. No. Stop. They're explorers.
[quote=JasGuilty]6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement.[/quote]
No. A fact is something that is definitely true. If a fact is incorrect, it is no longer a fact. It's an impossible contradiction. I was making fun of you for saying it but you thought I was being serious.
[quote=JasGuilty]And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure your original point was actually that Jett is less of a rip off because that's how it felt when you personally played it.
[quote=JasGuilty]Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.[/quote]
Whatever facts you tried to marshal, they were all to back up your personal impressions. The only reason they are in this thread is due to your own bias and that's why no matter how confidently-written your conclusions are, you won't get anywhere.
[url=http://calibermag.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/You-cant-handle-the-truth6.jpg]YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH[/url]
[quote=JasGuilty]@SnailPresident:
1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually.[/quote]
Who cares how fast you can move when it doesn't effect bossing in ANY way? Most bosses you don't need to be mobile, so what you can fly to the other side of Henesys faster, what's your point about that making Jett's so superior?
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Using google here
" in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
"the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly;"
Do you see the word exactly? Under both a definition and a synonym. [/quote]
Please, and I mean this with all due respect, never try to Google something and use that as proof against someone who is, and I am using this correctly, literally using a dictionary.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser. [/quote]
Zen was announced and in Tespia for like 2 weeks before it was released in CMS... about a week before GMS, congrats on your switch, you are the last Jett.
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, same attack range(tested it with a Mech at LHC to see who could hit the furthest. surprise it was the exact same range), attack speed, same sound. What's different about them? Strafe and barrage had a similar animation, attack speed, same hit count, and I could be slightly wrong but I do believe they had the same attack range. Another carbon copy. How am I wrong? [/quote]
Are you seriously trying to say Jett is more original than Cannoneer, when Jett was literally made from hand-me-down skills from the Revamped Buccaneer and Corsair? Like... seriously? Can you be any more stupid..? Literally... my sister once told me that vegetarians eat chicken, and I still find her smarter than you are sounding right now.
[quote=JasGuilty]5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen. [/quote]
Yup, all classes share skills, especially Jett, look at their stolen Mercedes jump </3 and their reskinned Zen... literally just took the dragon warrior and threw them into outer space because Nexon is so unoriginal... but not as unoriginal as Jetts </3
[quote=JasGuilty]6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement. In this context because we are talking about a virtual game some may consider all the information to be virtual although when it comes down to it, when you can see a hit count, or definite range such as the context with skills or even just which class has which skills it becomes actual as well because there is no denying it.
In the end, I chose my words quite carefully. And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.[/quote]
So... what you're saying is the hit count and definite ranges of Cannoneers are better.. and you have nothing else to say about how Jetts are Cannoneers besides the fact that they can move across Henesys faster than other classes, so that's your claim to fame, and because there is nothing else to say about any of that, you are trying to say Cannoneers steal skills from other jobs.. when that's the entire essence of a Jett? Just one question.. literally just one question, I promise. With all due respect, how have you lived so many years of your life with down syndrome?
@SnailPresident:
1) Yes actually it is not rocket science to measure which class has more mobility. You just do multiple races and tests in all directions. Very very easy actually.
2) Using google here
" in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
"the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly;"
Do you see the word exactly? Under both a definition and a synonym.
3) Then how did I know to be prepared for the class months in advance and tell my entire BL I was quitting for Zen?(as I had thought it was going to be called that) Sorry but I am going to take my first hand experience over someone who claims Bazooka was not a carbon copy of Mech's laser.
4) Bazooka and Laser had the same hit count, same attack range(tested it with a Mech at LHC to see who could hit the furthest. surprise it was the exact same range), attack speed, same sound. What's different about them? Strafe and barrage had a similar animation, attack speed, same hit count, and I could be slightly wrong but I do believe they had the same attack range. Another carbon copy. How am I wrong?
5) Yes I brought up all the other shared skills in an attempt to make you realize just how unoriginal all classes are and how many share skills. But you fail to realize that even after stating you don't see things black and white but once again you state " Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree " Resistance classes also share some of these skills not just explorers. Mechs have double down, WH have SE etc. And in the beginning Cannon Masters were NOT part of the main explorer branch and it's own side class exactly like Jett. They both claimed to be explorers but had to be made by choosing that branch at the character creation screen.
6) I know you can't even considering you just asked me what an incorrect fact is. It is a statement or fact claiming to be true or right when it is actually false or wrong leading others to a wrong (false, incorrect) conclusion based on that statement. In this context because we are talking about a virtual game some may consider all the information to be virtual although when it comes down to it, when you can see a hit count, or definite range such as the context with skills or even just which class has which skills it becomes actual as well because there is no denying it.
In the end, I chose my words quite carefully. And I do believe I have proved my point about your hypocrisy in calling one class bad because it has some stolen skills when all classes have just as much stolen.
Oh boy I see we found the one person who likes Jett.
[quote=JasGuilty]Mobility deals with all directions not just west and east and even then, Jett has max walking speed as well as several not just 1 forward moving skills. Jett wins that race. I know that for a fact with having lvl 200s of both classes and frequently having to play both. (I was always able to get to fm faster on my Jett then my Cannon) [/quote]
Dude, my point wasn't that mobility is measured by west and east. It's that [i]it's subjective.[/i] That means congratulations. You have an opinion. Hang it up on the fridge.
[quote=JasGuilty]Your exact words were "Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch." Notice the word LITERALLY.. you see it? Yet you comeback to say...snip.
Words, they play a big part when trying to prove a point so please choose yours carefully. [/quote]
[url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally]That's funny. In the dictionary it's defined as both "actually" and "virtually", though? LOL[/url] I choose my words carefully, just as you clearly do your research.
But fine. Take the point by technicality. Jett ripped off both explorer pirates. That was the point you were trying to make, right?
[quote=JasGuilty] And again you call Jett a copy of Zen when to your own stupidity...snip.[/quote]
You clearly didn't read what I said. Zen was announced far earlier.
[quote=JasGuilty]Your slowly starting to understand your hypocrisy. Every class copies from each other leaving no class unique anymore. So to bash one constantly but not another is ludicrous.[/quote]
Sure. I don't see things as black and white. Rather, a spectrum. Are you really going to keep sitting here and deny your class is at the complete extreme of that spectrum when it comes to this?
[quote=JasGuilty]Sorry but a Cannon Master never resembled a Sair's battleship as the Sairs battleship fired 3 balls, where as the cannon barrage was 5 exactly like strafe. Feel free to look at videos if you've forgotten.
I think I just predated and ruined your point there once again. sorry.[/quote]
No. Quite the opposite. You proved it. Look:
Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo - [b]No exactly like[/b] Mech's Laser.
Is exactly my point. They're [i]similar.[/i] That's "not exactly's" ugly cousin. Does everything have to be a laser beam for you to consider it a rip off? By what standards are you using, oh great arbiter.
Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon - Not anything like. Exactly like strafe firing a higher count (5 at once) then battleship cannon (3 at once).
Number of hits is the determining factor? Really? No. Really? You [i]just said[/i] a Cannon Master's laser ripped mechanic and what's the difference other than the number of hits. Please enlighten me.
Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a projectile attack that fires a wave cascading downward, activated on individual key press.
Turret - Turret - Nothing to do with the battleship?
Astute observation. I was going through and listing the moves YOU mentioned first in the post I quoted.
[quote=JasGuilty]I did already before but I guess I have to fully explain everything since your unable to draw assumptions that my last point answered your last point.[/quote]
You really are ever the charmer. <3
[quote=JasGuilty]...snip... Paraphrase: Do I blame classes for ripping FJ[/quote]
You realize that a lot of people played thieves because Flash Jump was so useful and mobility was dead among most all other classes, right? They spread mobility around because it wasn't balanced, not because they were lazy. It's funny, we're talking about Nexon here and you pick one of the far-outweighed few times they've catered to the players. The first point we've been arguing was over from the beginning. How long do you plan on beating that mobility horse before you realize it's dead? It might be hard to imagine, given you're a Jett and all, but a lot of classes are severely limited in their potential due to low mobility. Back then, something needed to change.
Pirates "copied from one another?" Dictionary time. "Copy" implies an original that predates the copy. Nexon keeps all explorers consistent to a degree. That doesn't mean that everything is copying everything. These similarities (magic crash, sharp eyes, double down) were released for each group of classes at the same time. It's intended to be [i]thematic[/i].
[quote=JasGuilty]Yes but when the laser has the exact same attack range as the one it was based off. It even had the same sound before its recent cosmetic revamp. At least Mihile's had a shorter range. and Yes I am saying Bucc ripped the laser. [/quote]
You want to argue with me about laser length. Really. Are you sure we're still talking about lasers here?
[quote=JasGuilty](paraphrasing) Your facts are wrong. You're dumb. You're embarassing yourself. I fix your bad facts with my good facts. Admit no class is unique any more.[/quote]
Oh, I don't need to admit that. I guess I messed up and posted again. Sorry.
Just so we're clear, the points in your post were:
1) You have the power to definitively measure which class is "more" mobile
2) Misinterpreting a quote due to a lack of knowledge of the definition for "literally."
3) You're wrong.
4) Skills (NOT LASERS) that are automatically dissimilar due to hit count
5) You brought up Flash Jump and teleport when talking about double down and nautilus strike.
6) I can't even.
Now, since you'll be nosing through a dictionary, would you mind explaining what an "incorrect fact" is? While you're at it, I'd like to know more about "actual information" versus "virtual information."
@SnailPresident:
"Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective. Sure Jetts are mobile but race a cannon master from one end of the map to another. Who will win?"
Mobility deals with all directions not just west and east and even then, Jett has max walking speed as well as several not just 1 forward moving skills. Jett wins that race. I know that for a fact with having lvl 200s of both classes and frequently having to play both. (I was always able to get to fm faster on my Jett then my Cannon)
"I like this habit you have of taking my points and drawing wide assumptions with them. It really makes your incredulous tone sound justified. To be clear, I was referring mostly to 4th job: the only one people use for the most part."
Your exact words were "Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch." Notice the word LITERALLY.. you see it? Yet you comeback to say I was only talking about 4th job to save yourself in a later point after I had already stated that yes 3rd and 4th job skills were more Sair based (not exact carbon copies) with 1st and 2nd being more Bucc based. But a definition for literally means exactly.. 1st, 2nd, 3rd jobs were not exact carbon copies of Sairs so your wording in that statement is what makes you wrong. Even 4th job was not an exact carbon copy. Words, they play a big part when trying to prove a point so please choose yours carefully.
"They may have only been released a week or so apart, but Zen was announced long before."
And again you call Jett a copy of Zen when to your own stupidity they are the exact same class both announced within a week apart (I knew of Jett's existence for an extremely long period of time and actually thought the class was called Zen only knowing shortly before release the name was Jett), both existing in different versions both with their own reskin on the same skills. Only reason why Zen gets updated first is because GMS is the king of waiting for others to code and then copying the code. Once again they are the EXACT SAME CLASS not a copy of a copy. Please try to get that point through your thick head. I know its hard being ignorant but try. It's not a Mario and Luigi relationship due to them being older and younger siblings but more of a fraternal twin relationship.
"That was my mistake. Yes. Clearly if it has a laser it rips off mechanic. I guess that includes bucc and mihile, right?"
Your slowly starting to understand your hypocrisy. Every class copies from each other leaving no class unique anymore. So to bash one constantly but not another is ludicrous.
"With the Mutiny revamp, Sair lost battleship which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles"
Sorry but a Cannon Master never resembled a Sair's battleship as the Sairs battleship fired 3 balls, where as the cannon barrage was 5 exactly like strafe. Feel free to look at videos if you've forgotten.
"Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo - No exactly like Mech's Laser.
Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon - Not anything like. Exactly like strafe firing a higher count (5 at once) then battleship cannon (3 at once).
Turret - Turret" - Nothing to do with the battleship?
I think I just predated and ruined your point there once again. sorry.
"How cute. While we're baiting, mind also responding to my points relating to double down which you conveniently excluded in your last post? Thanks."
text "4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff."
I did already before but I guess I have to fully explain everything since your unable to draw assumptions that my last point answered your last point. So once again, Every adventurer shares or steals the same amount of skills from its counter parts and even other classes. Double Down is a skill pirates had copied from one another, same with nautilus strike. Another very important skill is Flash Jump. Do you remember the time when that belonged to NLs only.. not even shads? I do. Now every single class in the game has it (minus most mages them all copying Teleport). Do you bash other classes for stealing it from NL's?
" Just because it's a laser beam doesn't mean it's a rip. The fireball we have now is the exact same skill. That much is only cosmetic."
Yes but when the laser has the exact same attack range as the one it was based off. It even had the same sound before its recent cosmetic revamp. At least Mihile's had a shorter range. and Yes I am saying Bucc ripped the laser.
Finally as a bonus thanks to @mousepound " GMS's Cannoneer still uses its original tespia sounds (minus bazooka ATM), a noticeable amount of which has sounds taken from Mech skills."
At least Jett took the time to change the sounds. So you wanna bash and hate on Jett for being a copy then take a good look at your own class and bash it for being just as uncreative.
So I see you did little to no research before posting another significant amount of incorrect facts to try to save yourself from looking like an ignorant fool but once again I have easily (very easily) corrected all of your statements with actual information. Who would have guessed that in a debate you actually have to use these things called facts?. Please save yourself from future embarrassment and just stop this debate, you can't win until you actually admit that no class is unique anymore.
If it helps, GMS's Cannoneer still uses its original tespia sounds (minus bazooka ATM), a noticeable amount of which has sounds taken from Mech skills.
Believe me, I have both a Cannoneer and a Mech, both created when they were first released.
[quote=JasGuilty] Yes I will agree with you cannon has the advantage in % dmg and lines but nothing is as mobile as a Jett. Triple Jump combined into a diagonal jump. multiple skills that propel the Jett forward. I don't think any class is as mobile as a Jett and yes, I've played every single class with exceptions to revamp NW and BW. Now to get to the points you just posted:[/quote]
Except unlike damage, mobility is somewhat subjective. Sure jetts are mobile but race a cannon master from one end of the map to another. Who will win?
[quote=JasGuilty]1) Jett's had their release ripped from the Mutiny Corsair patch? So are you saying Corsairs had Bucc's barrage or dragon strike or tornado uppercut skills? Also the solar array ( i think it was called that anyways the cooler looking skill in third job(?) seemed pretty unique to me not like a Sair at all). [/quote]
I like this habit you have of taking my points and drawing wide assumptions with them. It really makes your incredulous tone sound justified. To be clear, I was referring mostly to 4th job: the only one people use for the most part. You had a carbon copy of easton and rapid fire. Furthermore, it's specific to rapid fire because the mobility while firing was added to each in their respective revamps as if they were intended to coincide. The introduction of this attack combination for sairs lines up rather nicely with the introduction of Zen and, lastly, Jett. In a way you could even call Jett a copy of a copy.
[quote=JasGuilty]2) Does Zen exist in GMS? No. Does Jett exist in TMS? No. From day 1 Jett and Zen have been the exact same class (Jett GMS skin exclusive, Zen TMS skin exclusive), not just since their recent revamp. (please have those facts straight) [/quote]
They may have only been released a week or so apart, but Zen was announced long before. At least you admit it's a copy. That saves us a lot of time in the long run.
[quote=JasGuilty]3) Are you saying a Cannoneer when it was first released did not have a big red lazer as its main mobbing skill because I vividly remember that giant red laser and that Cannoneer was a class before Mechaninc? If I recall correctly, Mechs came out January 2011, Cannoneers came out December 2011. Which ripped off which now? So my references were not predated, it just proved your ignorance in trying to prove an invalid point without researching.[/quote]
That was my mistake. Yes. Clearly if it has a laser it rips off mechanic. I guess that includes bucc and mihile, right? In the interest of keeping my arguments consistent I'd like to point out that with Rapid Fire and Easton above, it wasn't the manner of animation they used, but rather, both bearing playstyle similarities. Just because it's a laser beam doesn't mean it's a rip. The fireball we have now is the exact same skill. That much is only cosmetic.
By the way, I was saying the original Corsair battleship predated all your references (again, minus strafe). Though please feel free to "outresearch" me on that one. Look, see? I said:
"With the Mutiny revamp, sair lost [b]battleship[/b] which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles. [b]It[/b] also predates all of your references"
It = Battleship
[quote=JasGuilty]4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff.[/quote]
I did? You're welcome. Zen is mario. You're luigi. Get over it.
[quote=JasGuilty]I'm looking forward to your next response please do some research before then.[/quote]
How cute. While we're baiting, mind also responding to my points relating to double down which you conveniently excluded in your last post? Thanks.
@therebegold Finally another smart person ^. It seems everyone bashes Jett (notice the comment on forum after forum "Jett copied Sairs blah blah blah" for having skills from Sairs and Buccs when it was first released yet fail to bash their own class for stealing the same amount of skills. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in their thinking yet I guess to some people its too hard of a concept to comprehend. Also I felt the need to correct pretty much everything he said since well it was all completely wrong and was directed to me. I even stated in my original post saying it had both Bucc and Sair skills and did not once deny it stealing skills and noted that after revamp it had taken skills from 4 classes.
Are people honestly arguing about originality in maplestory or am I having a stroke? I mean after all the variations of hurricane , rapid fire , people are still going after which class ripped of which class, really I mean really? for the most part maple rips of maple so is there some sort of pride in having the first rapid fire skill when so many classes have a variation of it ? Am I seriosuly missining something when people argue about originality in a game that copies and paste itself ?
Anyway to the topic at hand, the play style of Jett and cannoneer are quite different , I'd recommend watching some vids of 4th job before making your choice.
@SnailPresident: Yes I will agree with you cannon has the advantage in % dmg and lines but nothing is as mobile as a Jett. Triple Jump combined into a diagonal jump. multiple skills that propel the Jett forward. I don't think any class is as mobile as a Jett and yes, I've played every single class with exceptions to revamp NW and BW. Now to get to the points you just posted:
1) Jett's had their release ripped from the Mutiny Corsair patch? So are you saying Corsairs had Bucc's barrage or dragon strike or tornado uppercut skills? Also the solar array ( i think it was called that anyways the cooler looking skill in third job(?) seemed pretty unique to me not like a Sair at all).
2) Does Zen exist in GMS? No. Does Jett exist in TMS? No. From day 1 Jett and Zen have been the exact same class (Jett GMS skin exclusive, Zen TMS skin exclusive), not just since their recent revamp. (please have those facts straight)
3) Are you saying a Cannoneer when it was first released did not have a big red lazer as its main mobbing skill because I vividly remember that giant red laser and that Cannoneer was a class before Mechaninc? If I recall correctly, Mechs came out January 2011, Cannoneers came out December 2011. Which ripped off which now? So my references were not predated, it just proved your ignorance in trying to prove an invalid point without researching.
4) Thank you for just proving EVERY single class in the game rips off every other class so to out 1 specific class for having some stolen skills is quite hypocritical. At least Jett when it was released took the time to actually reskin stuff.
I'm looking forward to your next response please do some research before then.
I believe a cannon master is superior in terms of range, % damage output, AND lines. They're just as mobile as a jett. They mob better. That's the real meat and potatoes for you, OP.
[quote=JasGuilty]I find it hilarious that you still call Jett a copycat class to this day yet you do not even realize how much of a copycat class Cannoneers are. Barrage, hmm that awfully resembles MMs old strafe attack, and lets not forget your cannon jump, quite similar to Mechs, and your turrets, hmm quite similar to a Sairs, bazooka that's from Mechs also, double down stolen from pirates, shall I continue? Let alone Jett's revamp gives the class a completely different gameplay(merging quite a few classes ((Buccs, Sairs, Xenons, TB etc)) into one while adding a nice combo system) than any pirate class giving them quite the nice balance of close range and ranged skills and if you even bothered to play the class before the revamp you would've realized that first and second jobs were more Bucc based with 3rd and 4th being Sair based. Now I do have a 200 cannon (made on release and mained it til Jett came out) and can say Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.[/quote]
Jett literally had their release ripped from the Mutiny corsair patch. Recently when they were revamped, they were literally a recolored Zen. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBI0Fgk_9wU]Literally.[/url] With the Mutiny revamp, sair lost battleship which by its self is what a cannon master's playstyle most resembles. It also predates all of your references, minus strafe (battleship cannon was a strafe rip, though).
Cannon Bazooka - Battleship Torpedo
Cannon Barrage - Battleship Cannon
Turret - Turret
Double Down? Really? That's not a rip. All explorer pirates have Double Down and Cannon Master is an explorer pirate. Cannon Masters have Double Down and Nautilus Strike just as Blade Masters have Dark Sight, Channel Karma, and Shadow Partner.
[quote=bluesclues30303]it's either that or a plane that's really fast[/quote]
Or a character from avatar the last airbender
[quote=Mesmus]Football team in america i believe[/quote]
it's either that or a plane that's really fast
Jett is far more original, mobile and over all fun. My dojo time stacks up with more sairs ( I think, havnt done it since star force)
[quote=OldAura]Cannoneer takes a dump on the useless copycat class. At least they're useful for hair coupons.[/quote]
I find it hilarious that you still call Jett a copycat class to this day yet you do not even realize how much of a copycat class Cannoneers are. Barrage, hmm that awfully resembles MMs old strafe attack, and lets not forget your cannon jump, quite similar to Mechs, and your turrets, hmm quite similar to a Sairs, bazooka that's from Mechs also, double down stolen from pirates, shall I continue? Let alone Jett's revamp gives the class a completely different gameplay(merging quite a few classes ((Buccs, Sairs, Xenons, TB etc)) into one while adding a nice combo system) than any pirate class giving them quite the nice balance of close range and ranged skills and if you even bothered to play the class before the revamp you would've realized that first and second jobs were more Bucc based with 3rd and 4th being Sair based. Now I do have a 200 cannon (made on release and mained it til Jett came out) and can say Cannoneer felt way more of a copycat class(spam laser 4th job.. wow I feel like a mech, how original was the laser?) than playing my Jett did especially now since Jett's revamp.
[quote=singsangsong]What is a Jett?[/quote]
Football team in america i believe
What is a Jett?
I'm 1000% positive CM's are wayyy better.
Cannoneer takes a dump on the useless copycat class. At least they're useful for hair coupons.
Currently, you will become more famous if you are a 150 Jett. Either that or a Beast Tamer