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@Axnslicer: alright thanks a ton for all that! Better that way anyways, my range looks higher and thats always nice to look at

[quote=daringwaffle]yeah it probably was. i have 48% atk. using %boss neb on my weapon(20%) and 15% pdr on my secondary cuz i cant buy a boss neb for it yet. I guess itd be 203%boss including the hyper buff.
just 35% total from links+dojo gloves

If ya got the time Id appreciate actually explaining where i went wrong on my math there, so in the future i dont have to come goof here when I wanna do a quick calculation[/quote]

You have +48% attack, so that's 100+48 = 148% attack. Since everyone starts with 100%.

You have +203% boss and 35% total, so that's

100+203+35 = 338% effective boss damage.

Since total and boss damage are additive.

Therefore your % boss to % att ratio is calculated by dividing

338/148 = 2.28 % boss per % att.

The ideal ratio is given by the legendary lines 40% boss/12% att = 3.3% boss per % att.
Specifically, for 48% att you want (100+48)* (3.3) = 444 % combined boss and total damage. Subtract off 100% for the base and you find you want +344% boss and total damage.
Right now you're at 238% boss+total.

Let's see how much more damage you would deal if you started trading off 12% att lines for 40% boss lines.

A rough optimization calculation shows sacrificing 16% att to add 52% boss, allowing you to reach close to the ideal ratio gives you

(390*132)/(338*148) = 1.029

Therefore you would deal 3% more damage, if you perfectly optimized your stats.

Waste of time and money, you have better things to do.

The PDR calculation is even easier. Take the highest pdr boss you're going to fight, 120% I believe? Then apply your pdr to it.

120 *(1-0.4) * (1-0.69) = ignores 22.3% of your damage. So you do 1-.22 = 78% of your damage.

Adding a 40% pdr line we find

120 *(1-0.4) * (1-0.69) * (1-0.4) = ignores 13.4 % of your damage. So you do 1 - .13 - 87% of your damage.

Adding a 40% pdr line will increase your damage by

87/78 = 1.11 -> 11%

On a boss with 120% pdr.

Now remember you need to trade off a 40% boss or 12% att line to get that 40% pdr. So your actual damage increase on anything other than CVellum/Hard Hilla will be almost nothing.

Therefore don't trade for pdr.

Too many people waste their money on optimizing lines, in search of the ideal ratio. However the math tells us that unless your stats are wildly unbalanced, you really don't gain all that much. Look at your stats, you're 100% boss off the mark, almost a third of the way from ideal, and yet optimizing only gains you 3% more damage.

Instead, the most effective way to gain more damage is to gain more lines, with nebs, link skills, potions, etc. In your case you want to replace that pdr neb with a boss neb, get the leafre codex, get your level 2 link skills, and start cubing bonus pot on your emblem.

[quote=Axnslicer]Your math is terrible. Please, stop.

Give us these numbers.

1. % att (Kanna and DA links do not belong here, you have that wrong)
2. % boss (Including all buffs, hypers, skills, cards, DS and BT links)
3. % total damage (20% from reinforce, DA and kanna links)

Also explain where you're getting your 69% pdr from, and whether NW skills have any further defense ignore properties beyond marks of darkness. You are actually really close to the ideal non-CVellum pdr value.

We also need to know what weapon/emblem/secondary nebs you have, as well as your weapon stats.[/quote]

yeah it probably was. i have 48% atk. using %boss neb on my weapon(20%) and 15% pdr on my secondary cuz i cant buy a boss neb for it yet. I guess itd be 203%boss including the hyper buff.
just 35% total from links+dojo gloves

If ya got the time Id appreciate actually explaining where i went wrong on my math there, so in the future i dont have to come goof here when I wanna do a quick calculation

[quote=daringwaffle]Hey guys im looking at recubing my Emblem and my Secondary on my NW, but im not sure i should, so im looking for advice here!

1.64range normally buffed 69% pdr 193% boss
So for my emblem its unique, 10%atk. Im considering recubing it for %PDR, hopefully 60%(if you can get 30% lines on unique lvl 60 emblem)
I THINK it would be better, but im not entirely sure. right now I have 69% pdr +40% pdr from 5marks of darkness stacked.
Im wondering if it would be better for Chaos root abyss, and hard magnus(not quite at chaos vellum tho)
Ive read that chaos queen has 120%pdr, pierre is 80% and von bon is 100%
Side note: i have 66% atk(including Kanna+DA link skills)
if it IS better to get pdr at this point in time, could you tell me how much more exactly? dividing with %'s just isnt working out for me tonight, LOL

Now for my secondary, its 18%atk regular pot, 9% bonus pot, both unique. I was trying to figure out how much boss % id need to be better than that(noticeably better hopefully)
i figure without that 18% atk, im at about 1.46m buffed(1.64/1.66 *1.48)
when I factor in boss damage(193%) at my stats now, i come up with a range of about 4.08m on bosses(1.64*2.93=4.08)
SO without the 18% atk......4.08=1.46=329, as in 239% boss(an extra 36% more boss) for equivalent damage
with say, 60% boss, 24% more than Id need to break even...Id do 5.5%more damage..? (239/253=.9446)really just wondering if that math is correct
Secondary calculations are obviously done not taking into consideration changing my emblem, so that woulld play a role in this as well

So what do you think? Should I DO A) both the emblem for pdr and the Secondary for boss B)strictly the Emblem C)strictly the Secondary or D)leave as is, you will lose damage or have a negligable increase?[/quote]

Your math is terrible. Please, stop.

Give us these numbers.

1. % att (Kanna and DA links do not belong here, you have that wrong)
2. % boss (Including all buffs, hypers, skills, cards, DS and BT links)
3. % total damage (20% from reinforce, DA and kanna links)

Also explain where you're getting your 69% pdr from, and whether NW skills have any further defense ignore properties beyond marks of darkness. You are actually really close to the ideal non-CVellum pdr value.

We also need to know what weapon/emblem/secondary nebs you have, as well as your weapon stats.

keep both, they're good enough att %, when you reach more than 100% boss the boss damage will be lesser and lesser every gained % boss, att% always stack, also you can gain pdr by more ways